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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 09:12:36
June 29 2017 08:32 GMT
#33721
It doesn't really at all. There is no continuing factor here to make the past reading of the book present tense. Therefore he is asking whether something in the past occured.

It would be "is" if:

He was still reading the book.

Can't really think of any other situation that would make it present tense. So, while is may sound acceptable, it is grammatically incorrect.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 09:47:49
June 29 2017 09:46 GMT
#33722
See that's what I say.

My supervisor seems to think that "is" is correct, as in "what is your favorite food"

Life for ketara is weird these days.

I might get fired soon. Also married.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 10:01:34
June 29 2017 09:52 GMT
#33723
On June 29 2017 18:46 Ketara wrote:
See that's what I say.

My supervisor seems to think that "is" is correct, as in "what is your favorite food"

Life for ketara is weird these days.

I might get fired soon. Also married.


Your favourite food is a continuous thing. You presently enjoy that food so, "What is your favourite food?" is correct because it is currently your favourite food.

If you say, "What was your favourite food?" you generally assume that it's something you used to like that has changed or perhaps you visited a country recently and were asked what your favourite food was there. These things all happened in the past.

The statement you posed a question for has already occured and is in the past and therefore would be was. The continual favour of something in the book isn't applicable here because you have read and do not continue to read a book. If the question were instead, "What is your favourite book?" then it would be more acceptable. If the question were instead directed to someone reading the book currently then is would be the chosen phrasing. It's tough because grammar has many blurred lines and people often say things wrong so they become ingrained into our minds and sound correct but aren't.

Also sad. But also congrats?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 10:16:54
June 29 2017 10:16 GMT
#33724
On June 29 2017 18:52 Holyflare wrote:
The continual favour of something in the book isn't applicable here because you have read and do not continue to read a book. If the question were instead, "What is your favourite book?" then it would be more acceptable.

So what if the the context is ambiguous about whether the reader is currently reading the book or has already read it? Ketara provided the context in the poll which points to one answer. But suppose someone is responding to someone who says "X is my favorite book", and it is not given whether they are reading or have finished reading the book?
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 29 2017 10:30 GMT
#33725
On June 29 2017 19:16 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2017 18:52 Holyflare wrote:
The continual favour of something in the book isn't applicable here because you have read and do not continue to read a book. If the question were instead, "What is your favourite book?" then it would be more acceptable.

So what if the the context is ambiguous about whether the reader is currently reading the book or has already read it? Ketara provided the context in the poll which points to one answer. But suppose someone is responding to someone who says "X is my favorite book", and it is not given whether they are reading or have finished reading the book?


Context matters a great deal. What's the situation surrounding it? Honestly I'm not quite sure in this situation. Talking in real terms I'd presume in order to make something their favourite they would have to be done with it and respond in the past tense (was) also.

I realise that isn't always the case though so asking a preceding question to determine is probably better. My grammarfu is mediocre at best.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 10:54:30
June 29 2017 10:52 GMT
#33726
The question was(is???) about "favorite part of the book" though. I can continue to have a favorite part of a book I read a year ago. It's still my favorite part, hasn't changed, just like my favorite food is still everything bagels with cream cheese.

I honestly think either is fine but I'd probably default to "was" in most situations.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 11:04:03
June 29 2017 10:59 GMT
#33727
I don't think it would be grammatically correct to ask "what is your favorite part of the book" unless the person in question actually had the book in their hands presently as you asked the question.

As an example, lets say it wasn't a book we were talking about, lets say it was a concert.

You wouldn't ask the person "what is your favorite part of the concert" unless you were physically at the concert while you asked. You'd ask "what was your favorite part of the concert?"

You're not asking the person about a quality of their character IE what is your favorite food, something that is perpetual. You're asking them about their feelings in relation to an experience, that they are not currently having. So you need to use the past tense verb.


That's just me, though.


I also agree that it's a horrendous amount of nitpicking.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 11:27:46
June 29 2017 11:19 GMT
#33728
I think they're both pretty acceptable tbh.

English sucks is what we take away from this.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 29 2017 11:30 GMT
#33729
Both work but "was" makes more sense and sounds more correct.

The context of reading a book and then being asked about it sounds like a past event.

If you were discussing the book events itself in a conversation using "is" might feel more natural
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 14:22:20
June 29 2017 14:20 GMT
#33730
It depends if you're talking about the book itself or the act of reading the book.

"I read this book last week and I loved it" precedes "what was your favorite part of the book"

"I happen to love this book" precedes "what is your favorite part of the book"

You have to match the tense, guys. English isn't that hard.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 29 2017 14:26 GMT
#33731
It's entirely dependent on context.

Case 1:
"I really like Book Title." (Alt: "I really like Book Series")
"Me too, what's your favorite part?"

Case 2:
"I just finished reading Book Title"
"Sweet, what was your favorite part?"

In the first case falls in line with Mordek's example, the context is the present feelings of the one person, so present tense is correct. In the second case it's clearly past tense.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 29 2017 14:28 GMT
#33732
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 29 2017 14:30 GMT
#33733
On June 29 2017 23:28 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Plateaus are the highest form of flattery

It's your boy Guzma!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 14:31:39
June 29 2017 14:31 GMT
#33734
I feel like I got Lobachevsky'd.


Also, well played Req, well played.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 14:58:09
June 29 2017 14:57 GMT
#33735
This was fun. The plateau thing made me grin too.

We should have a Superfight! day each week.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 29 2017 16:59 GMT
#33736
It's your boy Guzma!
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
June 29 2017 18:13 GMT
#33737
On June 30 2017 01:59 Requizen wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvxNaSIB_WI

L looks way too normal, looks forced trying to do the crouchy thing too :<
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
June 29 2017 18:22 GMT
#33738
On June 30 2017 01:59 Requizen wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvxNaSIB_WI

my main issues with this are that misa and light seem to be portrayed incorrectly
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 29 2017 19:35 GMT
#33739
Most anime adaptations I don't like. unlikely this one will be different.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 29 2017 20:08 GMT
#33740
On June 30 2017 03:22 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 01:59 Requizen wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvxNaSIB_WI

my main issues with this are that misa and light seem to be portrayed incorrectly


Spoiled for incredible length:+ Show Spoiler +

I don't like using terms such as "incorrectly" for that sort of thing. It implies there's a single, specific way to portray a character effectively when really portrayals can be as different as night and day and still be both amazing and true to the character.

Not that I expect anything like that in this case. At face value it looks like your typical "we need to change things for the American audience" conversion, doomed to be a poor facsimile of the original rather than a new take/direction for the story and setting. It might be successful regardless, but then a novel concept with good timing can go a long way even if the execution has deep flaws (SEE: Sword Art Online*).

Ultimately I think it comes down to Light more than any other character, and some of what we've seen in the trailer is concerning. I'm skeptical Light works as a character without the conviction that he is in the right. He doesn't necessary need the god complex, but he does need the confidence and motivation to push forward even as he is being pursued. It's his unwavering forward momentum that drives his relationships with L and Misa, and if he's wishy washy beyond the early, experimental stages the importance and effectiveness of those relationships are going to be undermined.


*Obviously Sword Art Online wasn't all that novel, many other anime about being trapped in a video game or even MMORPGs specifically came long before it, but since every 10ish years a new generation of people arrive who haven't encountered the concept, and people who missed it the first time become approachable because the medium has become more mainstream accessible, novel is less about being the literal first and more about being the first someone encountered.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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