On May 29 2014 01:46 Numy wrote: Man pushups aren't that bad it's the situps that kill me whenever I try them. Also i'm 1.6m and around 60kg.
situps are shitty exercises. planks are much better, and less injury prone.
Once again, sit ups are not bad exercises. Planks are definitely good. There are so many different ways to hit different muscle groups, especially in the core area.
I believe the main argument is that your abdominal muscles are there for stability not mobility. Contraction is not their intended purpose rather providing stability to your torso and spine. Fatiguing your stabilization muscles and putting your spine into not neutral position is usually inadvisable (I think).
On May 29 2014 01:46 Numy wrote: Man pushups aren't that bad it's the situps that kill me whenever I try them. Also i'm 1.6m and around 60kg.
situps are shitty exercises. planks are much better, and less injury prone.
Once again, sit ups are not bad exercises. Planks are definitely good. There are so many different ways to hit different muscle groups, especially in the core area.
I believe the main argument is that your abdominal muscles are there for stability not mobility. Contraction is not their intended purpose rather providing stability to your torso and spine. Fatiguing your stabilization muscles and putting your spine into not neutral position is usually inadvisable (I think).
Maybe if you're a bitch.
But for serious - that's why you do back exercises in conjunction with ab exercises, because yes, the balance is important. But...as a gymnast, contraction is a fairly important abular function
Contraction into a rounded back or flat like an L-sit? Serious question.
I think you may be technically correct, contraction can be a useful function, but just imagine the never-worked-out-before guy doing crunches and push-ups to get in shape. He's like rolling his head up for a rep. Better to focus on more functional exercises like a plank which is useful for pretty much every human movement.
On May 29 2014 03:51 mordek wrote: Contraction into a rounded back or flat like an L-sit? Serious question.
Yes.
Also, think about something simple like a back handspring into back layout (straight body flip). This requires momentum generation into the handspring, a snap down (abs) while keeping your body relatively straight (back), a good set (back I guess?) into driving your toes over your head and keeping a generally hollow body (abs) while rotating. And that's a very basic example just for floor. Every event has different variations of necessary body control.
On May 29 2014 03:51 mordek wrote: Contraction into a rounded back or flat like an L-sit? Serious question.
I think you may be technically correct, contraction can be a useful function, but just imagine the never-worked-out-before guy doing crunches and push-ups to get in shape. He's like rolling his head up for a rep. Better to focus on more functional exercises like a plank which is useful for pretty much every human movement.
Why not combine core strength with large muscle group action and do squats!
Obviously, the body requirements of a gymnast is vastly different than what the average person is looking for. Situps are just an easy way for people to get injured trying to work core muscles, when they could just do a variety of other core exercises where injury is less of an issue.
On May 29 2014 03:57 mordek wrote: I'm thinking hip flexors more than abs.
Xes, I'm on the squat bandwagon but I also injured my back squatting heavy and recognize the importance of assistance work.
Weighted squats and olympic lifts are definitely dangerous for someone who is super out of shape, but even basic body squats, wall sits, and goblet squats with a light dumbbell will accomplish more than wei2plankman.
Plus this will improve flexibility and stability if you ever do decide to do lift.
On May 29 2014 03:58 wei2coolman wrote: Obviously, the body requirements of a gymnast is vastly different than what the average person is looking for. Situps are just an easy way for people to get injured trying to work core muscles, when they could just do a variety of other core exercises where injury is less of an issue.
Sure, if you do them wrong...
I obviously over estimate the physical capabilities of a normal person, but that's cuz I've been an athlete my entire life. *shrug*
On May 29 2014 03:57 mordek wrote: I'm thinking hip flexors more than abs.
Xes, I'm on the squat bandwagon but I also injured my back squatting heavy and recognize the importance of assistance work.
Weighted squats and olympic lifts are definitely dangerous for someone who is super out of shape, but even basic body squats, wall sits, and goblin squats with a light dumbbell will accomplish probably way more than wei2situppushupman.
Plus this will improve flexibility and stability if you ever do decide to do lift.
Don't you mean goblet squats? Goblin squats sound really weird.
My challenge to you would be describe a normal movement where I want my entire back rounded or need to get it into that position under load. I'm seriously open-minded, I just enjoy devil's advocate and you haven't convinced me otherwise.
On May 29 2014 03:57 mordek wrote: I'm thinking hip flexors more than abs.
Xes, I'm on the squat bandwagon but I also injured my back squatting heavy and recognize the importance of assistance work.
Weighted squats and olympic lifts are definitely dangerous for someone who is super out of shape, but even basic body squats, wall sits, and goblin squats with a light dumbbell will accomplish probably way more than wei2situppushupman.
Plus this will improve flexibility and stability if you ever do decide to do lift.
Don't you mean goblet squats? Goblin squats sound really weird.
LOL i googled it and the redirect to goblet squats was like "crossfit" and i thought "this can't be the right one" and just fudged it
I learned it from a gym dude with poor enunciation
On May 29 2014 04:04 mordek wrote: My challenge to you would be describe a normal movement where I want my entire back rounded or need to get it into that position under load. I'm seriously open-minded, I just enjoy devil's advocate and you haven't convinced me otherwise.
what about when your dropping your balls into her mouth and trying to lick her nipples at the same time?
On May 29 2014 03:57 mordek wrote: I'm thinking hip flexors more than abs.
Xes, I'm on the squat bandwagon but I also injured my back squatting heavy and recognize the importance of assistance work.
Weighted squats and olympic lifts are definitely dangerous for someone who is super out of shape, but even basic body squats, wall sits, and goblin squats with a light dumbbell will accomplish probably way more than wei2situppushupman.
Plus this will improve flexibility and stability if you ever do decide to do lift.
Don't you mean goblet squats? Goblin squats sound really weird.
LOL i googled it and the redirect to goblet squats was like "crossfit" and i thought "this can't be the right one" and just fudged it
I learned it from a gym dude with poor enunciation
On May 29 2014 04:04 mordek wrote: My challenge to you would be describe a normal movement where I want my entire back rounded or need to get it into that position under load. I'm seriously open-minded, I just enjoy devil's advocate and you haven't convinced me otherwise.
what about when your dropping your balls into her mouth and trying to lick her nipples at the same time?
You aren't under load and are only limited by your flexibility in that scenario.
On May 29 2014 04:04 mordek wrote: My challenge to you would be describe a normal movement where I want my entire back rounded or need to get it into that position under load. I'm seriously open-minded, I just enjoy devil's advocate and you haven't convinced me otherwise.
what about when your dropping your balls into her mouth and trying to lick her nipples at the same time?
You aren't under load and are only limited by your flexibility in that scenario.
hehehe under load....
what if you are a bell ringer and you have to pull down on the ropes but you have to pull so far you are bent over? (also playing devils advocate, i know this isnt the normal movement you were looking for)
On May 29 2014 04:04 mordek wrote: My challenge to you would be describe a normal movement where I want my entire back rounded or need to get it into that position under load. I'm seriously open-minded, I just enjoy devil's advocate and you haven't convinced me otherwise.
what about when your dropping your balls into her mouth and trying to lick her nipples at the same time?
You aren't under load and are only limited by your flexibility in that scenario.
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