• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:51
CEST 10:51
KST 17:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)43Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!5Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) [D] Wireframe Casting Removed Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Is the larve respawn broken?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) Etiquete rules in Asl? Recent recommended BW games
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8075 users

Off-Topic General Discussion - Page 1986

Forum Index > The Shopkeeper′s Inn
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 5162 Next
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
May 16 2014 20:55 GMT
#39701
Wub Wub Wub dyrus is best.
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
May 16 2014 20:56 GMT
#39702
Also, just watched the BF4 premium trailer, and I liked BF3, but BF4 just seems stupid. Flying machine guns? EOD bots with machine guns? Like Wall-e needed to be anymore fucking annoying....
Steam: rook492
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 16 2014 20:57 GMT
#39703
yeah i was busy taking a shit stream is up now

twitch.tv/dandel_ion
A backwards poet writes inverse.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 16 2014 21:08 GMT
#39704
Oh no did I miss Soniv stream?

Guys I had a really fucking mentally/emotionally exhausting day at work today
Can't tell if want to sleep starting now until tomorrow or sleep a bit and stream later


Probably will stream since I didn't last night
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 16 2014 21:10 GMT
#39705
On May 17 2014 05:29 Alaric wrote:
Well that's done. Guess people were wrong to doubt the Drow line-up.

typical internet

"liquid is gonna win based on draft, drow pick gg"
"THEY ONLY LOST BECAUSE THEY PLAYED BAD"

straight outta espn
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 16 2014 21:12 GMT
#39706
Wow twitch is straight up just not working for me....anyone else?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 21:14:11
May 16 2014 21:13 GMT
#39707
On May 17 2014 06:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow twitch is straight up just not working for me....anyone else?

nope

you're alone
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 21:17:36
May 16 2014 21:14 GMT
#39708
On May 17 2014 06:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow twitch is straight up just not working for me....anyone else?

No issues on my end, and I'm watching a twitch VOD.
E: WAIT, WHAT THE FLYING FUCK, OPTIC HAS A HALO TEAM!? dafuq is this shit, Ace, igotyourpistola and EDW on Optic...
Steam: rook492
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 16 2014 21:33 GMT
#39709
On May 17 2014 06:10 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2014 05:29 Alaric wrote:
Well that's done. Guess people were wrong to doubt the Drow line-up.

typical internet

"liquid is gonna win based on draft, drow pick gg"
"THEY ONLY LOST BECAUSE THEY PLAYED BAD"

straight outta espn

The Drow pick was OK vs. Liquid's draft largely because there was pretty much no way they could lane it that would allow them to ever threaten her.

The two key heroes in that lineup that actually threaten Drow are Slardar and Puck, but the nature of the two heroes is such that they BOTH need to be farmed in order to put her at risk. One of them alone isn't enough unless they are "carry the game by myself" level fed. However, the lineup basically required Puck be on the off-lane, and with Enchan jungle + Drow + Dazzle, it's insanely hard for Puck to get anything. Puck off-lane is great in 1v1s and punishes weak 1v2s, but against stronger laners, he really can't do anything.

On the flip side, Batrider is just incredibly hard for Slardar + defensive/farm oriented supports to control. They can't kill him without expending more resources than it's worth (and Brax isn't a weak enough player to get caught in a way that makes it easy for them). They can't farm because SD+WK don't have the means to clear/control the medium and hard camps vs. a Batrider. They can't gank because neither hero really contributes damage to ganks before they have levels. They can't push because neither hero pushes effectively and they break towers far slower than Enchan+Drow. And they can't ditch Slardar vs. Bat, because that is an insanely hopeless lane if the supports don't stay to babysit Slardar, but they more or less ditched him anyway.

Liquid had a lineup that couldn't actually get the 2 heroes they needed to be threats farmed. The hero that did end up most farmed had the least overall chance of actually being able to control the outcome of the game.
Moderator
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 16 2014 21:36 GMT
#39710
On May 17 2014 05:47 Requizen wrote:
truck truck truck chips


There are not ruffles here, my friend. =(
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 16 2014 21:38 GMT
#39711
btw, put up last night's 40k Battle Report in my blog section. Figured there was no reason to clog up OT if I was going to do one a week or so. No pictures after deployment this week due to speed of game and dying battery.
It's your boy Guzma!
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 21:40:50
May 16 2014 21:40 GMT
#39712
On May 17 2014 06:13 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2014 06:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow twitch is straight up just not working for me....anyone else?

nope

you're alone


You know in all the years ive used twitch, ive never had a problem. So many people bitch and moan about it, especially EU and ive NEVER had an issue. This is dating back to 2011 when people still used its sister site, justin TV too.

Hah.
Useless wet fish.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 22:15:57
May 16 2014 21:50 GMT
#39713
Glad NAR won. They seemed more prepared than Liquid overall to actually win some games further in TI4(maybe but not really). The bo5 was pretty weird though. I didn't expect that 15 min surrender in game 2 especially against that ursa pick. I thought that the delay would benefit Liquid more in preparation since NAR's line up was fairly open to what they were planning to do. As it turns out, Liquid weren't really prepared at all, and the delay might have hurt them more. I think they played too calmly in the last game.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 16 2014 21:50 GMT
#39714
On May 17 2014 06:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2014 06:10 kainzero wrote:
On May 17 2014 05:29 Alaric wrote:
Well that's done. Guess people were wrong to doubt the Drow line-up.

typical internet

"liquid is gonna win based on draft, drow pick gg"
"THEY ONLY LOST BECAUSE THEY PLAYED BAD"

straight outta espn

The Drow pick was OK vs. Liquid's draft largely because there was pretty much no way they could lane it that would allow them to ever threaten her.

The two key heroes in that lineup that actually threaten Drow are Slardar and Puck, but the nature of the two heroes is such that they BOTH need to be farmed in order to put her at risk. One of them alone isn't enough unless they are "carry the game by myself" level fed. However, the lineup basically required Puck be on the off-lane, and with Enchan jungle + Drow + Dazzle, it's insanely hard for Puck to get anything. Puck off-lane is great in 1v1s and punishes weak 1v2s, but against stronger laners, he really can't do anything.

On the flip side, Batrider is just incredibly hard for Slardar + defensive/farm oriented supports to control. They can't kill him without expending more resources than it's worth (and Brax isn't a weak enough player to get caught in a way that makes it easy for them). They can't farm because SD+WK don't have the means to clear/control the medium and hard camps vs. a Batrider. They can't gank because neither hero really contributes damage to ganks before they have levels. They can't push because neither hero pushes effectively and they break towers far slower than Enchan+Drow. And they can't ditch Slardar vs. Bat, because that is an insanely hopeless lane if the supports don't stay to babysit Slardar, but they more or less ditched him anyway.

Liquid had a lineup that couldn't actually get the 2 heroes they needed to be threats farmed. The hero that did end up most farmed had the least overall chance of actually being able to control the outcome of the game.

That's a lot of analysis when all I wanted to do was poke fun at the internet's wildly swaying opinions for crass reasons.

In the general case I usually dislike the opinion that people lost at the draft stage. "That's why they play the game!" Unless it's something hideous like C9's support Tinker where a strategy isn't evident then usually it's not THAT bad.
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
May 16 2014 22:19 GMT
#39715
I need a dark souls stream

I would stream, but I haven't beaten Taurus demon, or done my normal early game farming so I can actually use things on PC...and that would be very, very boring to watch lol.
Steam: rook492
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 16 2014 22:22 GMT
#39716
Uuuuuuuuuugh.

Banner Saga why.

Game so good, stayed up late playing it, so good.

Got to end.

Last boss gamey and retarded.

I am so happy and so upset at the same time.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 16 2014 22:41 GMT
#39717
That feel when you fix something that's been broken since months before you were hired.

I'm going hooooooooooooooooome
It's your boy Guzma!
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
May 16 2014 22:58 GMT
#39718
Attempting to stream my Dark Souls (mis)adventures, I'll also be in TS, maybe.

twitch.tv/crusnik77
Steam: rook492
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
May 16 2014 23:07 GMT
#39719
Can we hurry and get to 2000. I'm going to be out of service soon
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 23:29:37
May 16 2014 23:29 GMT
#39720
--- Nuked ---
Prev 1 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 5162 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 204
Tasteless 0
Rex 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 1390
Rain 659
Larva 302
Leta 143
Killer 99
Hyun 77
yabsab 26
Nal_rA 14
IntoTheRainbow 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
League of Legends
JimRising 557
Other Games
summit1g7110
singsing479
XaKoH 137
RuFF_SC22
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2258
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH336
• StrangeGG 37
• LUISG 11
• 3DClanTV 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2322
League of Legends
• Stunt857
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
9m
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
Tasteless62
IntoTheiNu 50
Rex2
CranKy Ducklings
1h 9m
Epic.LAN
4h 9m
IPSL
7h 9m
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
1d
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 1h
OSC
1d 4h
IPSL
1d 7h
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.