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Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
May 16 2014 20:55 GMT
#39701
Wub Wub Wub dyrus is best.
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
May 16 2014 20:56 GMT
#39702
Also, just watched the BF4 premium trailer, and I liked BF3, but BF4 just seems stupid. Flying machine guns? EOD bots with machine guns? Like Wall-e needed to be anymore fucking annoying....
Steam: rook492
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 16 2014 20:57 GMT
#39703
yeah i was busy taking a shit stream is up now

twitch.tv/dandel_ion
A backwards poet writes inverse.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
May 16 2014 21:08 GMT
#39704
Oh no did I miss Soniv stream?

Guys I had a really fucking mentally/emotionally exhausting day at work today
Can't tell if want to sleep starting now until tomorrow or sleep a bit and stream later


Probably will stream since I didn't last night
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 16 2014 21:10 GMT
#39705
On May 17 2014 05:29 Alaric wrote:
Well that's done. Guess people were wrong to doubt the Drow line-up.

typical internet

"liquid is gonna win based on draft, drow pick gg"
"THEY ONLY LOST BECAUSE THEY PLAYED BAD"

straight outta espn
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
May 16 2014 21:12 GMT
#39706
Wow twitch is straight up just not working for me....anyone else?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 21:14:11
May 16 2014 21:13 GMT
#39707
On May 17 2014 06:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow twitch is straight up just not working for me....anyone else?

nope

you're alone
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 21:17:36
May 16 2014 21:14 GMT
#39708
On May 17 2014 06:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow twitch is straight up just not working for me....anyone else?

No issues on my end, and I'm watching a twitch VOD.
E: WAIT, WHAT THE FLYING FUCK, OPTIC HAS A HALO TEAM!? dafuq is this shit, Ace, igotyourpistola and EDW on Optic...
Steam: rook492
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 16 2014 21:33 GMT
#39709
On May 17 2014 06:10 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2014 05:29 Alaric wrote:
Well that's done. Guess people were wrong to doubt the Drow line-up.

typical internet

"liquid is gonna win based on draft, drow pick gg"
"THEY ONLY LOST BECAUSE THEY PLAYED BAD"

straight outta espn

The Drow pick was OK vs. Liquid's draft largely because there was pretty much no way they could lane it that would allow them to ever threaten her.

The two key heroes in that lineup that actually threaten Drow are Slardar and Puck, but the nature of the two heroes is such that they BOTH need to be farmed in order to put her at risk. One of them alone isn't enough unless they are "carry the game by myself" level fed. However, the lineup basically required Puck be on the off-lane, and with Enchan jungle + Drow + Dazzle, it's insanely hard for Puck to get anything. Puck off-lane is great in 1v1s and punishes weak 1v2s, but against stronger laners, he really can't do anything.

On the flip side, Batrider is just incredibly hard for Slardar + defensive/farm oriented supports to control. They can't kill him without expending more resources than it's worth (and Brax isn't a weak enough player to get caught in a way that makes it easy for them). They can't farm because SD+WK don't have the means to clear/control the medium and hard camps vs. a Batrider. They can't gank because neither hero really contributes damage to ganks before they have levels. They can't push because neither hero pushes effectively and they break towers far slower than Enchan+Drow. And they can't ditch Slardar vs. Bat, because that is an insanely hopeless lane if the supports don't stay to babysit Slardar, but they more or less ditched him anyway.

Liquid had a lineup that couldn't actually get the 2 heroes they needed to be threats farmed. The hero that did end up most farmed had the least overall chance of actually being able to control the outcome of the game.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 16 2014 21:36 GMT
#39710
On May 17 2014 05:47 Requizen wrote:
truck truck truck chips


There are not ruffles here, my friend. =(
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 16 2014 21:38 GMT
#39711
btw, put up last night's 40k Battle Report in my blog section. Figured there was no reason to clog up OT if I was going to do one a week or so. No pictures after deployment this week due to speed of game and dying battery.
It's your boy Guzma!
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 21:40:50
May 16 2014 21:40 GMT
#39712
On May 17 2014 06:13 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2014 06:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow twitch is straight up just not working for me....anyone else?

nope

you're alone


You know in all the years ive used twitch, ive never had a problem. So many people bitch and moan about it, especially EU and ive NEVER had an issue. This is dating back to 2011 when people still used its sister site, justin TV too.

Hah.
Useless wet fish.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 22:15:57
May 16 2014 21:50 GMT
#39713
Glad NAR won. They seemed more prepared than Liquid overall to actually win some games further in TI4(maybe but not really). The bo5 was pretty weird though. I didn't expect that 15 min surrender in game 2 especially against that ursa pick. I thought that the delay would benefit Liquid more in preparation since NAR's line up was fairly open to what they were planning to do. As it turns out, Liquid weren't really prepared at all, and the delay might have hurt them more. I think they played too calmly in the last game.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 16 2014 21:50 GMT
#39714
On May 17 2014 06:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2014 06:10 kainzero wrote:
On May 17 2014 05:29 Alaric wrote:
Well that's done. Guess people were wrong to doubt the Drow line-up.

typical internet

"liquid is gonna win based on draft, drow pick gg"
"THEY ONLY LOST BECAUSE THEY PLAYED BAD"

straight outta espn

The Drow pick was OK vs. Liquid's draft largely because there was pretty much no way they could lane it that would allow them to ever threaten her.

The two key heroes in that lineup that actually threaten Drow are Slardar and Puck, but the nature of the two heroes is such that they BOTH need to be farmed in order to put her at risk. One of them alone isn't enough unless they are "carry the game by myself" level fed. However, the lineup basically required Puck be on the off-lane, and with Enchan jungle + Drow + Dazzle, it's insanely hard for Puck to get anything. Puck off-lane is great in 1v1s and punishes weak 1v2s, but against stronger laners, he really can't do anything.

On the flip side, Batrider is just incredibly hard for Slardar + defensive/farm oriented supports to control. They can't kill him without expending more resources than it's worth (and Brax isn't a weak enough player to get caught in a way that makes it easy for them). They can't farm because SD+WK don't have the means to clear/control the medium and hard camps vs. a Batrider. They can't gank because neither hero really contributes damage to ganks before they have levels. They can't push because neither hero pushes effectively and they break towers far slower than Enchan+Drow. And they can't ditch Slardar vs. Bat, because that is an insanely hopeless lane if the supports don't stay to babysit Slardar, but they more or less ditched him anyway.

Liquid had a lineup that couldn't actually get the 2 heroes they needed to be threats farmed. The hero that did end up most farmed had the least overall chance of actually being able to control the outcome of the game.

That's a lot of analysis when all I wanted to do was poke fun at the internet's wildly swaying opinions for crass reasons.

In the general case I usually dislike the opinion that people lost at the draft stage. "That's why they play the game!" Unless it's something hideous like C9's support Tinker where a strategy isn't evident then usually it's not THAT bad.
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
May 16 2014 22:19 GMT
#39715
I need a dark souls stream

I would stream, but I haven't beaten Taurus demon, or done my normal early game farming so I can actually use things on PC...and that would be very, very boring to watch lol.
Steam: rook492
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 16 2014 22:22 GMT
#39716
Uuuuuuuuuugh.

Banner Saga why.

Game so good, stayed up late playing it, so good.

Got to end.

Last boss gamey and retarded.

I am so happy and so upset at the same time.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 16 2014 22:41 GMT
#39717
That feel when you fix something that's been broken since months before you were hired.

I'm going hooooooooooooooooome
It's your boy Guzma!
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
May 16 2014 22:58 GMT
#39718
Attempting to stream my Dark Souls (mis)adventures, I'll also be in TS, maybe.

twitch.tv/crusnik77
Steam: rook492
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
May 16 2014 23:07 GMT
#39719
Can we hurry and get to 2000. I'm going to be out of service soon
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 23:29:37
May 16 2014 23:29 GMT
#39720
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