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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-06 18:20:29
May 06 2014 18:19 GMT
#37541
Level 6 should basically be all you need to complete Taris. You can do it at 4 or 5 I think, but it requires some annoying shit to do (4 for everyone, 5 is fine for Soldier but annoying for Scout and Scoundrel). Generally I intentionally hold my level at 6 if I gain further level-ups past that.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 06 2014 18:20 GMT
#37542
The first KOTOR is one of my favorite RPGs, but I could never get into the second one. Didn't care about any of the characters or the story for some reason. Maybe I'll give it another shot in the future.
It's your boy Guzma!
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 06 2014 18:20 GMT
#37543
Should i be buying equipment from the vendors? Is there alot of random drops in this game that are helpful? Literally never played it before in my life :-|
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-06 18:25:00
May 06 2014 18:22 GMT
#37544
You killed the semi-blind black guy!?!? (or tried to). Man, future Sith in the making.

On May 07 2014 03:20 Requizen wrote:
The first KOTOR is one of my favorite RPGs, but I could never get into the second one. Didn't care about any of the characters or the story for some reason. Maybe I'll give it another shot in the future.


Yeah, I beat the 2nd one but it kind of felt like a hollow shell of the first one. At least when it came to the Jedi. The Sith were more interesting, but I felt like some bugs and incompleteness really bogged down the experience for me. Been meaning to go back and play the restoration mod at some point, but hard to motivate myself to do that.

I did just start another run of the first game though. I'm going to do an evil run, but I haven't gotten the chance to kill the dude with the creepy eyes yet and my memory is terrible, so can't help arb there.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 06 2014 18:24 GMT
#37545
KotOR2 is a deeper game, but a lot less polished (as you'd expect from an Obsidian game).

The writing quality is a lot better, the characters are more complex, and overall there's more depth to the story, but it's marred by the fact that it's buggy as shit, the combat encounters are basically the same, and all the story depth is rendered moot by the rushed/incomplete ending that Obsidian was forced to put out. The Restoration mod is basically mandatory if you want to not hate the game.

That said, for someone experienced in the genre I consider it more worth playing than KotOR 1. KotOR 1 is a great intro to the CRPG genre but basically follows the same formula as every other Bioware RPG, except in the Star Wars universe. It doesn't really have anything new to offer someone who's played BG2, Dragon Age or Mass Effect other than OMG LIGHTSABERS.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
May 06 2014 18:24 GMT
#37546
On May 07 2014 03:20 Requizen wrote:
The first KOTOR is one of my favorite RPGs, but I could never get into the second one. Didn't care about any of the characters or the story for some reason. Maybe I'll give it another shot in the future.


I think KOTOR is the better game, but 2 was still good(although Yango pointed me to a mod before I started my playthrough, not sure how much it fixed/how the game was in its original state). One thing I would've liked that wasn't around at the time was the 'carry your previous data into the sequel' thing that Mass Effect did, because it felt silly that the world had to force a story on Revan(I don't want to spoiler much right here because clearly some people are just now going through KOTOR) in order to make the player story work.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 06 2014 18:25 GMT
#37547
On May 07 2014 03:22 zer0das wrote:
You killed the semi-blind black guy!?!? (or tried to). Man, future Sith in the making.

I'm actually really far into the light side, thats basically the only dark side choice i've made yet besides threatening someone for information lolol.

I did think about going back through the game and going all Sith choices though.

Is this anything like Warhammer 40k DoW2? Where the farther i go into the dark side(chaos) i lose team mates? Or is that not a thing in this game?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-06 18:28:00
May 06 2014 18:27 GMT
#37548
On May 07 2014 03:20 arb wrote:
Should i be buying equipment from the vendors? Is there alot of random drops in this game that are helpful? Literally never played it before in my life :-|

On Taris you shouldn't need them.

The items that carry you through Taris are the mod-able weapons/armor, and most of the vendor gear isn't. You should look out for the upgrade parts though. Basically fully-upgraded Prototype Vibroblade is better than any other weapon you can get on Taris.

There are a couple buyable items later that are worth it, but given that money isn't unlimited/farm-able in a sensible manner, you don't want to waste too much on early upgrades you'll throw away.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
May 06 2014 18:28 GMT
#37549
On May 07 2014 03:25 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 03:22 zer0das wrote:
You killed the semi-blind black guy!?!? (or tried to). Man, future Sith in the making.

I'm actually really far into the light side, thats basically the only dark side choice i've made yet besides threatening someone for information lolol.

I did think about going back through the game and going all Sith choices though.

Is this anything like Warhammer 40k DoW2? Where the farther i go into the dark side(chaos) i lose team mates? Or is that not a thing in this game?


KOTOR is absolutely worth playing through twice(Light/Dark) at minimum. There's also some not totally insignificant differences in gender choice as well, but that's only if you really want to be completionist about it(pretty predictable what the impact is after you've played through the game).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 06 2014 18:29 GMT
#37550
man i really liked kotor2 when it came out. i remember staying up late playing that game, it felt way more addictive than the first one.

and then + Show Spoiler +
you meet the jedi council and the entire game goes down the shitter because of the rushed ending.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 06 2014 18:29 GMT
#37551
On May 07 2014 03:27 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 03:20 arb wrote:
Should i be buying equipment from the vendors? Is there alot of random drops in this game that are helpful? Literally never played it before in my life :-|

On Taris you shouldn't need them.

The items that carry you through Taris are the mod-able weapons/armor, and most of the vendor gear isn't. You should look out for the upgrade parts though. Basically fully-upgraded Prototype Vibroblade is better than any other weapon you can get on Taris.

There are a couple buyable items later that are worth it, but given that money isn't unlimited/farm-able in a sensible manner, you don't want to waste too much on early upgrades you'll throw away.

I still have the mod parts and havent went back to my apartment yet, i've mostly been just going straight forward, havent done any side quests besides the one to get the Sith Suit from the drunk bitch in the apartment
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 06 2014 18:30 GMT
#37552
On May 07 2014 03:24 TheYango wrote:
KotOR2 is a deeper game, but a lot less polished (as you'd expect from an Obsidian game).

The writing quality is a lot better, the characters are more complex, and overall there's more depth to the story, but it's marred by the fact that it's buggy as shit, the combat encounters are basically the same, and all the story depth is rendered moot by the rushed/incomplete ending that Obsidian was forced to put out. The Restoration mod is basically mandatory if you want to not hate the game.

That said, for someone experienced in the genre I consider it more worth playing than KotOR 1. KotOR 1 is a great intro to the CRPG genre but basically follows the same formula as every other Bioware RPG, except in the Star Wars universe. It doesn't really have anything new to offer someone who's played BG2, Dragon Age or Mass Effect other than OMG LIGHTSABERS.

Maybe I needed to get farther in it to get into it. Like you said, the combat is pretty repetitive (even moreso than the first game, I felt), and I dropped it fairly early on before too much got moving.

Either way, it's pretty low priority on my to-play list
It's your boy Guzma!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 06 2014 18:31 GMT
#37553
The skip peragus mod is virtually mandatory to replay kotor 2 though. Seriously peragus is one of the most boring things I've ever done in the game the same bunch of bland corridors fighting one or two robots and only conversing once or twice it's just tiresome
Glorious SEA doto
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
May 06 2014 18:31 GMT
#37554
On May 07 2014 03:24 TheYango wrote:That said, for someone experienced in the genre I consider it more worth playing than KotOR 1. KotOR 1 is a great intro to the CRPG genre but basically follows the same formula as every other Bioware RPG, except in the Star Wars universe. It doesn't really have anything new to offer someone who's played BG2, Dragon Age or Mass Effect other than OMG LIGHTSABERS.


Sometimes you just want to add light sabers to something you already like. >_>
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 06 2014 18:32 GMT
#37555
On May 07 2014 03:29 kainzero wrote:
man i really liked kotor2 when it came out. i remember staying up late playing that game, it felt way more addictive than the first one.

and then + Show Spoiler +
you meet the jedi council and the entire game goes down the shitter because of the rushed ending.

+ Show Spoiler +
I hated malachor V, I was near ready to declare kotor 2 one of the best games I ever played then I hit malachor V and the non-existent ending and I just went :C
Glorious SEA doto
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 06 2014 18:35 GMT
#37556
On May 07 2014 03:29 arb wrote:
I still have the mod parts and havent went back to my apartment yet, i've mostly been just going straight forward, havent done any side quests besides the one to get the Sith Suit from the drunk bitch in the apartment

Go use the mod parts. Prototype Vibroblade with full upgrades seriously wrecks everything on Taris.

It's basically the best melee weapon prior to Lightsabers, is competitive with them until you get some usable upgrade crystals, and the non-Lightsaber melee weapons better than it either aren't worth the money or are acquired late enough in the game to not matter.
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Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-06 18:36:25
May 06 2014 18:36 GMT
#37557
On May 07 2014 02:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 02:33 Scip wrote:
On May 07 2014 02:21 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 07 2014 02:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On May 07 2014 01:50 Ketara wrote:
On May 07 2014 01:36 arb wrote:
On May 07 2014 00:41 Ketara wrote:
Roffles was doing better than opposed to like 6 months ago, but the above post by Plexa is 100% the truth.

It's ridiculous you cant report even low level mods like them, someone like Plexa or Manlyfesto I can see not being able to report but writers and stuff? Should be able to report them because Cheep/Roffles have been shitposting in the league threads for a really long time


What was (still is) dumb about it is that Cheep and Roffles were doing the same shit (I'd argue Cheep was worse) but Roffles could be banned because he was former staff, while Cheep got away with it because he's active staff.

I'm hoping that Plexa post means no more Cheep cancer. Fingers crossed.


To be fair, much of their "toxicity" was aimed at other people making shitty posts or stupid points.

I don't necessarily support the way they went about it, but their intention wasn't entirely malicious. They actually care about the scene and don't want stupid ideas perpetuated, especially here on TL, where we're supposed to be a higher quality of forum. From the bits and pieces I've read of GD occasionally, that higher quality isn't necessarily there. Not saying it's always bad, but I've read more than my fair share of stupid things here.

If less cancer is desired, then this sub forum needs to start chemo ASAP

Essentially, favoritism for past staff has ended and there's little to no room for outright shitposting like what Roffles/Cheep have done over the past few months. Their premise was that there is often bad and inaccurate posts from other TL LoL users like Ketara, wei2coolman, etc that it somehow justified their ways of "toxic" posting to get their point across. I'll take the brunt of the blame with how the situation arose because I was simply too lenient with both parties. Like what Soniv mentioned, there are an alarming number of inaccurate posts in GD and that needs to end.

Feel free to report posts in GD about the game that don't make sense. The moderators obviously won't warn or ban a user for having an incorrect idea but it definitely should not be perpetuated further.

Will the rules about balance/design whine in GD (or at least the strategy subsection) get more strict as well? :3

Ill miss him too Teut, let's grieve together.

Yes, GD and the strategy subforum will be more stringent. Consider this spring (summer?) cleaning for TL LoL. Moderation will be more heavy handed henceforth in regards to bad posting.

curious on this - will there be some sort of highly visible PSA and clear guidelines on new posting standards? for example, updated rules in the thread OP and a sticky like the current twitch meme warning. i can recall one attempted reform that didn't get anywhere and it'd be a shame if this round failed to bear fruit as well
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-06 18:38:32
May 06 2014 18:36 GMT
#37558
On May 07 2014 03:28 red_ wrote:
KOTOR is absolutely worth playing through twice(Light/Dark) at minimum. There's also some not totally insignificant differences in gender choice as well, but that's only if you really want to be completionist about it(pretty predictable what the impact is after you've played through the game).

Female playthroughs are unbearable because of Carth.

Bioware sucks at writing dialogue for any character that has romance dialogue. They make a ~35-year old career soldier who's had a wife and kids before sound like a teenager with a problem talking to girls.

Bastila's similarly poorly written for male playthroughs but she has less dialogue and is generally more ignorable.
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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
May 06 2014 18:43 GMT
#37559
At least in P4 you were a teenager LOL
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 06 2014 18:50 GMT
#37560
Unleash at 3 instead for 2 changes turn 6 for hunters to turn 7.

IE: Nothing has changed, other than now you curve out better because you have a reason to run Highmanes.
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