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Senorcuidado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States700 Posts
January 08 2016 03:35 GMT
#12981
I really think that if riot revealed the details of their matchmaking algorithm people would quit en masse. There's no explanation for why I win 10 in a row with competent teammates and then get 10 games in a row with people going 2/12 and 4/14. By competent I don't mean they carry. I mean they go about even while I carry. It's obvious that after a streak of that, matchmaking adjusts to force teammates who will feed. It's the pattern I've observed throughout three years at least. Long win streaks followed by long loss streaks where my scores are consistent but teammates range from doing okay to feeding like crazy. It makes sense that opponents will get better and better, but why should teammates get worse and worse?
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
January 08 2016 05:46 GMT
#12982
love it when people shit talk their teammates and do those annoying ass ? pings then call you toxic when you point out what they're doing is annoying as fuck

then when the entire team agrees suddenly the league community is the one with the problem
TL/SKT
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4152 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 08:48:10
January 08 2016 08:46 GMT
#12983
On January 08 2016 12:35 Senorcuidado wrote:
I really think that if riot revealed the details of their matchmaking algorithm people would quit en masse. There's no explanation for why I win 10 in a row with competent teammates and then get 10 games in a row with people going 2/12 and 4/14. By competent I don't mean they carry. I mean they go about even while I carry. It's obvious that after a streak of that, matchmaking adjusts to force teammates who will feed. It's the pattern I've observed throughout three years at least. Long win streaks followed by long loss streaks where my scores are consistent but teammates range from doing okay to feeding like crazy. It makes sense that opponents will get better and better, but why should teammates get worse and worse?


Yeah I noticed the same thing on several accounts I can observe closely (2 mine and few close friends), so it can't be just lucky/unlucky. There is a pattern, the game obviously can recognize lesser/better players among same elo group. The most obvious conclusion is that the system (Rito) tries to keep people at around 50% win rate by whatever means it can.
Why is that, I don't know, maybe Riot are afraid that many people may quit the game if they are put in teams where no one can carry them for too long and demote too much, maybe they are afraid that there will be too many lucky win streaks, maybe both, maybe something else, no idea really, but most likely its business model/profits issue

Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
January 08 2016 12:06 GMT
#12984
Same. Won 16 in a row then lost 10. Thanks god I didnt demote from Gold 5 to Silver 1 :/

Last game, Thresh support. Mid at ten minutes: our yasuo has 23 cs and 0/4. Anivia up 50 cs 6/0.

MF my adc was pushing vayne like crazy - too bad vayne was farming better under turret then mf alone. At 10 minutes mf was 40 behind. Pathetic
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 09 2016 00:12 GMT
#12985
im baffled

how do people lose lane so bad
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Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
January 09 2016 00:46 GMT
#12986
On January 04 2016 13:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
AFK's need a really harsh punishment. Yeah I get that sometimes shit like your power goes out, etc. but after a couple free passes Riot needs to start handing out bans. Nothing like a pretty solid game where you're slowly forcing your way to a win with good play and then someone AFK's and the other team just 5v4's until you surrender.

I've been exploring the ways of being afk recently (not in ranked though), which means I've been going afk more and more, personally, when a normal game is catastrophic, and from what I gathered the punishment rules for afks are extremely simple.

First off you will not ever be punished if you are afk for less than 3 minutes, even if you're reported "9x". The system probably does not take reports for "leaving the game" into account. It is based purely on the automatic afk detection system which counts you as afk after 3 minutes without any experience gain.

Which is why people who stay at fountain then come back a couple minutes later, rinse and repeat, will not get punished for leaving. Even as of now (the system knows me as a frequent leaver) I don't ever get punished for leaving a game at 18 if I know there will be a 20 surrender.

Being punished for the first time requires you to go afk quite a lot ; I received my first punishment after being clearly afk (3min+) about 5 times in a short amount of time (within a month). People who go completely afk (3 minutes or more) this frequently are very rare.

After that though, the system knows you as a frequent leaver and you will be punished, with increased severity, after you're detected as afk 2 times. By the way, the punishment for leaving a game is lower priority queue, which means that people who tend to go afk will still be matched with "normal" people and the punishment system doesn't actually protect non-leavers from leavers.

I don't know how hard it would be to get an actual ban solely from going afk but I'm guessing it's pretty damn hard.

Basically Riot is more concerned about one's feelings being hurt, which warrants real bans, than about one's game being "unfair", but I'm not saying it's all evil marketing, etc. They probably know from stats than de facto, when someone intentionally leaves a game, the game is pretty much always done anyway.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
January 12 2016 02:42 GMT
#12987
it's unbelievable how bad people are in plat. I had much better teammates in gold. once people get plat it's like they turn into full blown retards
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4152 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-12 14:17:03
January 12 2016 14:16 GMT
#12988
On January 12 2016 11:42 IMoperator wrote:
it's unbelievable how bad people are in plat. I had much better teammates in gold. once people get plat it's like they turn into full blown retards

Yeah I noticed that too, there is something very wrong with silver and plat elos, the skill gap among the players and the level of trolling is unproportionally bigger than what it should be if relatively compared with the other leagues
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
January 12 2016 17:30 GMT
#12989
Gold is good enough for casuals and diamond is good enough for serious players. Inbetween are the people who will insist their rank is lower than it ought to be, because their teams suck. Toxicity is born.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
January 12 2016 17:32 GMT
#12990
There are way more boosted people at Plat elo, so probably that's why.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 12 2016 17:36 GMT
#12991
Getting boosted to plat is cheap, past that it gets more expensive
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
January 12 2016 18:01 GMT
#12992
Nah people just like to think "I can do it I just need a help with the first part" and the others are people who demote after getting boosted to d5.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 12 2016 18:09 GMT
#12993
On January 13 2016 02:30 Osmoses wrote:
Gold is good enough for casuals and diamond is good enough for serious players. Inbetween are the people who will insist their rank is lower than it ought to be, because their teams suck. Toxicity is born.

Am in Gold, tried to break into plat. Can confirm this is 100% true.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 12 2016 18:26 GMT
#12994
this reminds me of a toxicity bell curve I once saw but can't find now. Basically the gist of the graph was how people get increasingly toxic as they approach their goal, and upon reaching it confidence sets in in place of the toxicity and it drops back down. I wish I could find it, I feel like even though the concept is simple the chart put it in much better terms.
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SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-12 22:12:40
January 12 2016 22:11 GMT
#12995
Nice, last two matches I went:

14/3/5 vayne
5/0/5 ezreal

and lost both. The game with ezreal was utter despair. The game where I truly felt what being useless meant. They were steamrolling our turrets like papers while our ryze top 2/7 and katarina 1/4. Ryze did less damage than the thresh on the other team. I really, really, really dont know what I could have done better there.

If any of you want to watch my replays, account is LovePigeon on euw.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 12 2016 23:15 GMT
#12996
I feel like some people just don't know how champions, or ganking in general, work even in Diamond

It'd be cool if you like, let the lane push towards your tower, dropped some CC or otherwise made it possible for me to gank cuz not everyone is Nocturne or Rengar (except Nocturne and Rengar) and have super gap closers
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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
January 14 2016 08:36 GMT
#12997
this game makes me want to blow my brains out:

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suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
January 15 2016 22:35 GMT
#12998
when you queue up for new ranked and your top laner 3 ranks below you goes 0/20/4 in a 45 min game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
)))____◎◎◎◎█████
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 16 2016 06:25 GMT
#12999
queue for 20 minutes, team feeds for 20 minutes, ff

rinse repeat

ty riot
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Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-16 18:36:30
January 16 2016 18:36 GMT
#13000
Alright that's it, I've found my next job.

I'll create a device that scans for a player's brain, if he doesn't have one/isn't capable of using it, they are denied playing this game.

Getting sick of all this kind of stupid fucking retarded motherfuckers.
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