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On January 29 2013 18:14 Cheap0 wrote: Playing support Nami.
Ezreal rushes Iceborn Gauntlet before building a single damage item.
...really? Do you have any idea what my kit does? Give him a break dude, he thought you're a Nunu. You look so similar.
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Why do people play vayne. I have written this so often into this thread. Yes, in 1 out of 10 games the vayne gets fed somehow and carries hard. But in the remainder of the games, she loses her lane hard, is completely useless, and leaves a fed enemy adc out there that your team has to deal with. The average game is over much before vayne ever becomes relevant. Don't play vayne.
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On January 29 2013 22:04 Simberto wrote: Why do people play vayne. I have written this so often into this thread. Yes, in 1 out of 10 games the vayne gets fed somehow and carries hard. But in the remainder of the games, she loses her lane hard, is completely useless, and leaves a fed enemy adc out there that your team has to deal with. The average game is over much before vayne ever becomes relevant. Don't play vayne. Talking about Vayne...
I am Vi Jungle, Vayne on enemy team. After the laning phase I am something like 5/2/10, we won every lane with 2 to 4 more kills, the overall result is lets say 19-7 (something close to that). Big role of we winning all lanes was my play, somehow I got lucky and all my ganks were good, moreover, I took 2 solo dragons (Vi is kind of good doing this), perhaps, this should have been the 1st warning for me - no one wanted to help taking dragon. Anyway, after the laning phase my teammates started to go in groups of two or three deep in enemy territories (1st tier turrets were down for the enemy as well) and dying there. The groups compositions were changing, except that I never went there and the group never reached more than 3 members. I was like lets take our buffs, lets take drake and then we may push, but they were just diving and I said ok I may dive with you but only if you all 4 gather - never happened. At some point the resulta became 26-26 with their Vayne having 20 kills. They pushed us to our nexus turrets (mid inhibitor down) and then we were finally forced to team fight, and you won't believe it, no one expecpts me tried to jump on vayne, they all fought Garen, Shen and Nunu, they do not even focused underfed LeBlanc who was not doing damage but at least is a squishy target. We Lost, I finished something like 7/6/16, and all 4 of them wanted to report me for being unskilled:-)) That came from people winning all their lanes...had no idea that such discrepancy in skill at the different stages of the game may exist:-))
p.s. no one except me even thought of buying tornmail (their only, and only damage dealer was vayne)
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Fed Katarina on enemy team is infuriating. Not much you can do when you are Nid with no CC at all... Next time i'm banning her.
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5x5 ranked premade, I'd say it was a good game. Enemy: 3x "GG EASY" after a 50 minute game where we almost fought back and lost due to a silly mistake by our mid. Not only do we (1300-1500 players) get matched against 1700-1900 players, but how can these be such faggots?! Die plx, kthxbai.
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I have no idea how I can teach my carries to hit targets in my W radius so that they can proc my hecarim heal. Idiots could never understand that.
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I'm very confused what happened here...
I end lane 2/0 as Sona. Ezreal ends lane 8/1. Team is 17/5.
We take dragon and two kills, take their blue and two kills (I die and so does our top). We kill mid tower, then top tower. We shove mid tower and take it, but we lose 3 for 2 of them-- okay, right? I feel like a fucking AP carry-- chunking out the enemy team with passive harass, landing amazing ults, etc.
The next 20 minutes is a blur. I'm building items-- got Twin Shadows, Athene's, Locket, Sorc Boots and a NLR.
All of a sudden, I'm desperately trying to defend our bottom inhibitor against 4 of the enemy team.
The throwsssss.
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bleeehhhhhhh
very bad day for solo queue, just had a string of awful teams D=
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On January 30 2013 12:22 jcarlsoniv wrote: bleeehhhhhhh
very bad day for solo queue, just had a string of awful teams D=
I hear you man some teams are just too heavy to carry. At this point all I care about is improving myself. Some teams are just uncarriable.
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Oh boy, I'd better find my S3 exploitable champion fast, I'm on the high road to 700 elo. This game I get 'AP support Teemo' who actively tries to take my cs ( but is terrible so I get most of it anyway). Does nothing in lane but I get a kill anyway as MF vs Soraka Graves and then everything goes to shit as our 1/7 Vi dives in 1v4 constantly, our mid Eve got 'countered' by Zyra (nvm roaming or anything) and our top Voilbear got outfarmed by Singed 2.5 to 1.
Obviously I'm bad too, but since my teammates are bad as well if I don't find someone I'm good with fast I'll never carry my way out of there.
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Sometimes it is just annoying how much this game is based on luck.
I am support Leona, and everything is even in our lane. But suddenly, it turns out that the enemy have both a 4/0 singed that is unkillable, and a pretty fed jungle vi. While we have a shaco with 0 successful ganks and a nida with warmogs as her only item. Why can't i get the cool guys on my team? There was absolutely nothing i could do to influence toplane at all, so to me it comes down to the pure luck of getting the right top in your team. Why does the enemy have the cavalry arriving, and i get a retarded donkey?
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People are still so weird in this game. I've played 4 games now after my 40 day break (4 wins, yay), and in every one of those games someone has cried like a little baby. Like they havent whined to me, but its still pretty annoying having to listen to the OMG WE LOSE BECAUSE OF X DOING Y, I BELONG TO 3K ELO BUT THE KIDZ KEEPING ME DOWN! PEEEEEEEEACE!
Like the worst example was top nidalee crying about her mid lux building like shit, and saying that they are losing because Lux is a carbage player that cant read builds (wtf?)
And the fun part, Nidalee had Chalice, Spirit Visage, Merc threads, and one NMM. Our team was 4 AD champs + my jungle WW. Stack that mr! 
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On January 29 2013 22:22 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 22:04 Simberto wrote: Why do people play vayne. I have written this so often into this thread. Yes, in 1 out of 10 games the vayne gets fed somehow and carries hard. But in the remainder of the games, she loses her lane hard, is completely useless, and leaves a fed enemy adc out there that your team has to deal with. The average game is over much before vayne ever becomes relevant. Don't play vayne. Talking about Vayne... I am Vi Jungle, Vayne on enemy team. After the laning phase I am something like 5/2/10, we won every lane with 2 to 4 more kills, the overall result is lets say 19-7 (something close to that). Big role of we winning all lanes was my play, somehow I got lucky and all my ganks were good, moreover, I took 2 solo dragons (Vi is kind of good doing this), perhaps, this should have been the 1st warning for me - no one wanted to help taking dragon. Anyway, after the laning phase my teammates started to go in groups of two or three deep in enemy territories (1st tier turrets were down for the enemy as well) and dying there. The groups compositions were changing, except that I never went there and the group never reached more than 3 members. I was like lets take our buffs, lets take drake and then we may push, but they were just diving and I said ok I may dive with you but only if you all 4 gather - never happened. At some point the resulta became 26-26 with their Vayne having 20 kills. They pushed us to our nexus turrets (mid inhibitor down) and then we were finally forced to team fight, and you won't believe it, no one expecpts me tried to jump on vayne, they all fought Garen, Shen and Nunu, they do not even focused underfed LeBlanc who was not doing damage but at least is a squishy target. We Lost, I finished something like 7/6/16, and all 4 of them wanted to report me for being unskilled:-)) That came from people winning all their lanes...had no idea that such discrepancy in skill at the different stages of the game may exist:-)) p.s. no one except me even thought of buying tornmail (their only, and only damage dealer was vayne) Thornmail is an awful item though >.>
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On January 30 2013 18:24 Simberto wrote: Sometimes it is just annoying how much this game is based on luck.
I am support Leona, and everything is even in our lane. But suddenly, it turns out that the enemy have both a 4/0 singed that is unkillable, and a pretty fed jungle vi. While we have a shaco with 0 successful ganks and a nida with warmogs as her only item. Why can't i get the cool guys on my team? There was absolutely nothing i could do to influence toplane at all, so to me it comes down to the pure luck of getting the right top in your team. Why does the enemy have the cavalry arriving, and i get a retarded donkey?
This happens to me almost every time I play Garen. My Garen win rate is 27% over 15 games. The last 3 games I played as Garen, bottom lane averaged 1-10. I don't know.
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At this point, i think the main reason people ban malph is just so your team does not pick "ap malph mid" after NEVER HAVING PLAYED THAT CHAMPION BEFORE, just because it is open.
Edit: Is there an elo at which people learn to group up properly, and NOT engage 3v5 fights for 20 minutes in a row just because we were ahead at minute 15? Because at the moment, my games looks more like contests about which team can throw harder then a real game. I am working hard to get you that advantage. DON'T THROW IT AWAY. One would assume that after the second time a 3v5 fight did end badly, people would stop doing those. But they don't. They engage as 3 with the other 2 half the map away in the hopes that the enemy are not there. This is the most annoying thing in this game. And you can't stop them. You ping retreat, they ignore it. You tell your team to team up, one does wraiths and the other farms botlane. You tell your team "NOW. MIDLANE. ALL", and you get 3 people of your team towerdiving their mid while the other two farm various buffs or jungle camps.
Edit2: I should probably stop playing, apparently today is another "lose all day" day.
Edit3: Yes. I should. but apparently I don't. Next game lost because carries dont build ANY defensive items against kassa + akali + rammus. No Qss. No warmogs. No nothing. Then the never group up. And Lux that lost her lane to kassa was like "uncarryable" I think once i am down to 1500 i will stop supporting, buy vi, and jungle every game. As a support i don't feel like i have any influence on the result of the game, even though i think it should be different. If people were less stupid, i would have an influence. But wards are useless if people ignore what they show, and noone follows a support, so you can't get your team to group. You are just helplessly dependent on your solos not sucking.
Edit4: Exactly what person thinks that "I didn't flame once, i only said you are retarded" makes any sense?
Edit5: What is it with ADCs who refuse to buy defensive items? If you are against Kass + Zed+Nocturne, and on your team are Lulu and shen, why don't you buy enough defenses that with both Lulu ult and Shen ult, you survive until Shen arrives? That guy died within 2 seconds after the start of every single teamfight. Just how much damage do you think you do with IE + PD + BT when you are DEAD? I think i need to start banning Kass again, somehow no matter how hard he gets crushed, he still rapes stupid people all game long by being uncatchable and doing absurd damage. When Kass just comboed you for 3/4 of your hp, and is hanging around slightly at the edge of your attack range, why do you run after him? In 5 seconds his cds are up again, and you are dead. People don't seem to understand that.
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Tell me what you want, one can't fucking carry as support. At least at 1400-1600 ELO, it's impossible with all these retards. Even if your ADC does well for once, the solos feed their lane opponents 10 kills by 15 minutes so you get instagibbed as a little fucking shitty useless super squishy homo support. And then you get the "omg noob support so much die so useless do something omfg GG SURENDER" shit.
Only support games I've won so far were when playing team rankeds, but yolo queue... NO CHANCE. And to top it all off, you lose way more ELO than you get for each of the wins before.
€dit: and fuck ALL the dudes that don't say a fucking word in pregame chat and then fuck up the whole planned team comp with their random pick that absolutely doesn't fit the comp. 1 fucker just destroys the work of 4 communicative people by just not doing anything.
€dit2: 5 friendly ppl making plans, enemy team dodges at the last second. OBVIOUSLY. What did I expect?!
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On January 31 2013 03:50 little fancy wrote: Tell me what you want, one can't fucking carry as support. At least at 1400-1600 ELO, it's impossible with all these retards. Even if your ADC does well for once, the solos feed their lane opponents 10 kills by 15 minutes so you get instagibbed as a little fucking shitty useless super squishy homo support. And then you get the "omg noob support so much die so useless do something omfg GG SURENDER" shit.
Only support games I've won so far were when playing team rankeds, but yolo queue... NO CHANCE. And to top it all off, you lose way more ELO than you get for each of the wins before.
€dit: and fuck ALL the dudes that don't say a fucking word in pregame chat and then fuck up the whole planned team comp with their random pick that absolutely doesn't fit the comp. 1 fucker just destroys the work of 4 communicative people by just not doing anything.
€dit2: 5 friendly ppl making plans, enemy team dodges at the last second. OBVIOUSLY. What did I expect?!
So Leona (me) 2/2 Graves goes 4/2 in lane with a 10 cs buffer-- that's not an amazing lead against Vayne/Sona, but it can be accounted a "won" lane by most standards IMO. I think we have a slight psychological advantage as well, because those two are scared as shit of me.
Top Teemo has fed Wukong to 8/1 (even managing to get a reset so he's still worth something!) Fed Wukong, fucking scariest thing ever. Tanky as shit, can clone out when in danger, still does ridiculous damage.
I know the feel bro. I know it.
I'm terrified of playing ranked with Lulu-- I'm 9-0 with her and don't want to break my record.
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On January 31 2013 05:44 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 03:50 little fancy wrote: Tell me what you want, one can't fucking carry as support. At least at 1400-1600 ELO, it's impossible with all these retards. Even if your ADC does well for once, the solos feed their lane opponents 10 kills by 15 minutes so you get instagibbed as a little fucking shitty useless super squishy homo support. And then you get the "omg noob support so much die so useless do something omfg GG SURENDER" shit.
Only support games I've won so far were when playing team rankeds, but yolo queue... NO CHANCE. And to top it all off, you lose way more ELO than you get for each of the wins before.
€dit: and fuck ALL the dudes that don't say a fucking word in pregame chat and then fuck up the whole planned team comp with their random pick that absolutely doesn't fit the comp. 1 fucker just destroys the work of 4 communicative people by just not doing anything.
€dit2: 5 friendly ppl making plans, enemy team dodges at the last second. OBVIOUSLY. What did I expect?! So Leona (me) 2/2 Graves goes 4/2 in lane with a 10 cs buffer-- that's not an amazing lead against Vayne/Sona, but it can be accounted a "won" lane by most standards IMO. I think we have a slight psychological advantage as well, because those two are scared as shit of me. Top Teemo has fed Wukong to 8/1 (even managing to get a reset so he's still worth something!) Fed Wukong, fucking scariest thing ever. Tanky as shit, can clone out when in danger, still does ridiculous damage. I know the feel bro. I know it. I'm terrified of playing ranked with Lulu-- I'm 9-0 with her and don't want to break my record.
Yes, Wukong is pretty scary, but any other snowbally solo lane, too. Irelia that kills you in 5 hits with her W because she's 5 levels higher, Darius that casts Q+R in 1.5 seconds and lets you die to Ignite+passive while happily walking away, Ahri dashing to your ADC while you die to her ult's collateral damage... you can be ahead three levels of the enemy bot, a single fed solo just nullifies your whole advanage during midgame and there is nothing you can do about it because you pop like a bubble.
I guess I have played too much solo queue lately. I'm in a hurry since I don't know when exactly the new division elo system is coming. I didn't care about solo rating until I heard you can't drop a full tier which means that reaching gold will take away all my sorrows for the next season.
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On January 29 2013 22:04 Simberto wrote: Why do people play vayne. I have written this so often into this thread. Yes, in 1 out of 10 games the vayne gets fed somehow and carries hard. But in the remainder of the games, she loses her lane hard, is completely useless, and leaves a fed enemy adc out there that your team has to deal with. The average game is over much before vayne ever becomes relevant. Don't play vayne.
Because she's more fun than any other adc? I suck at her, but it's the only champion I want to play when I come back and play adc because every other champion reeks of un-fun.
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