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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 20:49:50
November 26 2012 20:49 GMT
#6441
On November 27 2012 03:39 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 02:06 nafta wrote:
Lost a game today where I was a mundo with hog/2 warmogs/wit's at 32 minutes.Random diamond guy decides that because they don't give him mid he should go swain supp and our 4-th pick locks lulu and goes afk for awhile becaues he thinks game won't start(also ghost/ignite).So we have supp lulu and swain bot vs ez/blitz.Top lane riven heal/ignite(whose play would make Leeroy Jenkins proud) who is lvl 11 goes on to die a few times to a lvl 9 then yorick and when game is a bit in our favour dives a team of morg/ez/blitz/xin/yorick under inhib so they ace us and get baron.Oh and our mid lane was a lux who got caught 3 times in a row trying to harass people with baron away from a turret.

Why I so bad at carrying .


You shouldn't be a Mundo with Hog, 2 Warmogs and Wits pretty much ever. A lot of people don't seem to understand that, but Life is only slightly more useful on Mundo due to his fixed skillcosts. Both his passive and his ult do not make health worth more then on other tanky champions because they effectively scale with EHP, not pure HP. Get some armor and resistances instead of 2 warmogs.


Their team is : roa morg/manamune full tank yorick/xin full tank/ez tf and blitz.We don't really have dmg in our team.Honestly after I bought a chain vest more I could tank perfectly but team getting caught when they see enemy op.Guess should've gotten randuin instead of wit's not optimal ofc but still pretty annoying.

Got 4 reports in a game where I went 13/3/12 draven because in teamfights I didn't rush for their ap/ad when they had a fed zyra and I just killed bruisers.Nice.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11735 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 21:14:22
November 26 2012 21:12 GMT
#6442
Wits is nice, especially if you want to do more damage. The problem are the 2 warmogs. There is simply no reason ever to build 2 warmogs in a row, you get much more tanky if you mix in some resists in form of, for example, a randuins, an aegis, a spirit visage, or something like that. And all of those also add some utility. I'd probably even favor a Frozen Mallet over a second Warmogs. One Warmogs is OK, i guess, but would usually not be my item of choice either. If you are fed and have to do some carrying, a Wits End is very good on Mundo.

You don't build pure warmogs on other bruiser/tanky guys either, the only reason people do it on mundo is because they get confused by his passive and his ult, not realizing that while yes, you gain more HP if you build pure HP from those, this is completely irrelevant, because those HP are worth less if you have no armor or resists. The only thing you should care about are EHP, and the only reason why HP are slightly better on mundo is because of his fixed life costs.
Venien
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom161 Posts
November 26 2012 21:34 GMT
#6443
55 Minute game. AD Carry with full build has to leave at 35 minutes. Queue the epic comeback from enemy team in constant 5 vs 4's. Sigh. 2 Days in a row, losing streak, not a win in sight, this one was practically there, we just neded one more fight to clinch it... And out of the blue "sry g2g" ... Quits.

Fml.
Gaslo
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland951 Posts
November 26 2012 21:46 GMT
#6444
Yep, not my day. I complained earlier that i tried to find a game for over 30 minutes, and it got dodged over and over again. Now i tried for over 30 minutes AGAIN, and people just keep dodging. Well, that was a nice gaming evening. One hour of soloq picks & bans.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
November 26 2012 22:16 GMT
#6445
Have a Rengar who feeds Ezreal like 6 kills and says he'll stop when he wins. Then faceplants into their team 1v5 3 times (once when our fifth was disconnected, in a situation where there was no conceivable reason to engage). Blames me for building tank items as Veigar when I have 400 ap, none of the enemies have a single MR item, and I was facing an Anivia mid. That's really the problem there.
nanoscorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1237 Posts
November 26 2012 22:48 GMT
#6446
On November 27 2012 05:36 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 05:35 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On November 27 2012 05:31 Requizen wrote:
On November 27 2012 05:30 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On November 27 2012 03:15 Requizen wrote:
On November 27 2012 03:05 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On November 27 2012 01:43 Tatari wrote:
On November 26 2012 23:14 57 Corvette wrote:
No, Mr. ADC. I did not pick alistar so you could sit back and farm against the no-flash soraka and ashe. I picked him so we can buttfuck soraka every time she comes to lane. Here, ashe is overextended lets kill her. *charge/headbut* Ashe and soraka attack me and chase me to my tower where they finally get the kill. "Omg noob feeder alistar what are you doing i was farming"

-.-*


What boggles my mind is that people think farm is everything. Farm is good, scoring kills and shutting down lane is even better.

I guess the only solution is to adjust to the AD carry :/


Wrong on so many levels, but okay.

Totally dependent on a lot of things. In lower games (and I speak from experience), everyone sucks at CS. Like, erryone. So kills are kind of worth more because it's a lot harder to catch up when the AD misses 2/3-1/2 of the wave anyway.

But honestly it's just better to be the best CSer in the game and not fight, since you'll be richer and more useful than the enemy AD anyway. Something I need to work on...


That's like....backwards logic, so yes, it is honestly better to the best CSers in the game.

If you suck at farm, it doesn't matter if you can get kills because when you advance into higher ELO, you're going to suck big fat nuts because you can't keep up farm with other players.

In other words, learn to farm, and don't rely on kills to get you gold.

No, I'm saying in those games kills are worth more. Not about improving as a player, which is something entirely different, which is why I had that entire second statement.


1 kill at 300 gold is worth like 15cs. I reckon getting 15cs of your opponent is a lot easier at these ELOs than getting a kill in the bot lane.

Dude, you'd be surprised the number of AD carries I've seen under 100 CS at the end of a game at 1200. I'm not even joking.


It's frightening really. I have similar experiences midlane 1100s, I'll have an atrocious start, get out-lasthit by tryhard melee minons and feel like I should be way behind in CS. Check the scoreboard and I'm UP on the guy across from me. /facepalm. It's more like elo heaven when it's so easy to win a lane. Farm all day, let your opponent overextend.

At low elo it's easy to exploit tunnel vision and throw off your opponents in lane. Just a quick feint towards the ADC is often enough to set them back 1-2 last hits as they panic and reposition or blow their abilities on you. It's great when you get coordination from your lane partner, but I think committing to an attack that relies on near-immediate followup from your ADC is often going to be disappointing.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
November 26 2012 23:24 GMT
#6447
On November 27 2012 07:48 nanoscorp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 05:36 Requizen wrote:
On November 27 2012 05:35 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On November 27 2012 05:31 Requizen wrote:
On November 27 2012 05:30 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On November 27 2012 03:15 Requizen wrote:
On November 27 2012 03:05 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On November 27 2012 01:43 Tatari wrote:
On November 26 2012 23:14 57 Corvette wrote:
No, Mr. ADC. I did not pick alistar so you could sit back and farm against the no-flash soraka and ashe. I picked him so we can buttfuck soraka every time she comes to lane. Here, ashe is overextended lets kill her. *charge/headbut* Ashe and soraka attack me and chase me to my tower where they finally get the kill. "Omg noob feeder alistar what are you doing i was farming"

-.-*


What boggles my mind is that people think farm is everything. Farm is good, scoring kills and shutting down lane is even better.

I guess the only solution is to adjust to the AD carry :/


Wrong on so many levels, but okay.

Totally dependent on a lot of things. In lower games (and I speak from experience), everyone sucks at CS. Like, erryone. So kills are kind of worth more because it's a lot harder to catch up when the AD misses 2/3-1/2 of the wave anyway.

But honestly it's just better to be the best CSer in the game and not fight, since you'll be richer and more useful than the enemy AD anyway. Something I need to work on...


That's like....backwards logic, so yes, it is honestly better to the best CSers in the game.

If you suck at farm, it doesn't matter if you can get kills because when you advance into higher ELO, you're going to suck big fat nuts because you can't keep up farm with other players.

In other words, learn to farm, and don't rely on kills to get you gold.

No, I'm saying in those games kills are worth more. Not about improving as a player, which is something entirely different, which is why I had that entire second statement.


1 kill at 300 gold is worth like 15cs. I reckon getting 15cs of your opponent is a lot easier at these ELOs than getting a kill in the bot lane.

Dude, you'd be surprised the number of AD carries I've seen under 100 CS at the end of a game at 1200. I'm not even joking.


It's frightening really. I have similar experiences midlane 1100s, I'll have an atrocious start, get out-lasthit by tryhard melee minons and feel like I should be way behind in CS. Check the scoreboard and I'm UP on the guy across from me. /facepalm. It's more like elo heaven when it's so easy to win a lane. Farm all day, let your opponent overextend.

At low elo it's easy to exploit tunnel vision and throw off your opponents in lane. Just a quick feint towards the ADC is often enough to set them back 1-2 last hits as they panic and reposition or blow their abilities on you. It's great when you get coordination from your lane partner, but I think committing to an attack that relies on near-immediate followup from your ADC is often going to be disappointing.


Guide to low ELO supporting:
1. Pick Taric.
2. Stand between the creep line and the enemy tower.
3. Dance.
4. The enemy AD will hide at their tower and not even try to farm.
5. Then notice that your AD carry still is even on CS.

True story
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 27 2012 09:34 GMT
#6448
SHITCOMBO LIVING UP TO NAME GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 27 2012 09:38 GMT
#6449
On November 27 2012 18:34 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
SHITCOMBO LIVING UP TO NAME GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

what happened dude?
currently rooting for myself.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
November 27 2012 11:04 GMT
#6450
If i fall back to 1200 after being at 1500 im going to quit playing this awful game.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
imanoobcs
Profile Joined January 2012
184 Posts
November 27 2012 16:14 GMT
#6451
New trend... people in ranked double picking roles. I call and pick jungle... Last guy picks jungle and yells jungle... wtf.
No one picks top and I am lost pick so i pick top.... Xin jungle changes summoners from smite and claims he wants to top now, and im stuck jungling with singed and no smite.... wtf.
simuxx12
Profile Joined November 2012
Lithuania4 Posts
November 27 2012 19:03 GMT
#6452
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 27 2012 22:21 GMT
#6453
On November 27 2012 18:38 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 18:34 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
SHITCOMBO LIVING UP TO NAME GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

what happened dude?

idk i'm just playing like shit and losing games i shouldn't because of it
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 03:51:17
November 28 2012 03:03 GMT
#6454
Don't queue for ranked if you're just going to say you can only play one role. Especially if you're last pick.

Fuck

Edit:

Also, if you say "Mid or Feed" and then go mid AND feed...

I don't have words for you.
It's your boy Guzma!
King_Snake
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 05:12:48
November 28 2012 05:11 GMT
#6455
Well something must have changed in the graphics of League of Legends because I now average about 2 fps. God dammit there goes the last thing I could do on my shit computer. I can't even fucking watch Netflix without this shit overheating. God what I do I do with my life now, I can't even play games with my friends.

Edit: And I feel like shit for that ranked game I ended up leaving because of my computer issues. I'm sorry I made those poor people lose 20 elo fuck I hate everything.
"I wouldn't play terran cuz I have self respect." - Grak
IGotPlayguuu
Profile Joined June 2011
Italy660 Posts
November 28 2012 19:39 GMT
#6456
Just got trolled pwned and flamed by a certain IPanda; is he from here? It's not the fisrt time i saw him...
Plus I'm on a losing streak, playing so bad atm
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willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
November 28 2012 21:23 GMT
#6457
On November 28 2012 12:03 Requizen wrote:
Don't queue for ranked if you're just going to say you can only play one role. Especially if you're last pick.

Fuck

Edit:

Also, if you say "Mid or Feed" and then go mid AND feed...

I don't have words for you.


Well he didn't say "Mid XOR Feed" so his statement was still technically true ,
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
November 28 2012 21:27 GMT
#6458
On November 28 2012 12:03 Requizen wrote:
Don't queue for ranked if you're just going to say you can only play one role. Especially if you're last pick.

Fuck

Edit:

Also, if you say "Mid or Feed" and then go mid AND feed...

I don't have words for you.


I'm in a library, and it's hard as hell trying to hold back laughing. 2gud
A fed jungler is no longer a jungler, but a terrorist.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
November 28 2012 22:24 GMT
#6459
On November 28 2012 12:03 Requizen wrote:
Don't queue for ranked if you're just going to say you can only play one role. Especially if you're last pick.

Fuck

Edit:

Also, if you say "Mid or Feed" and then go mid AND feed...

I don't have words for you.


I don't either. I just have a bucket of laughs.
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Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
November 28 2012 23:54 GMT
#6460
I wonder what the statistics are for people who say "... or feed" in draft who end up feeding anyway after getting what they wanted. I notice that a lot, but it's probably just confirmation bias.
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