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On September 08 2025 07:24 Poopi wrote: Poor Maru getting tossed out of the event. Gg ShoWTimE and herO though His disjointed mech scv pull in g3 vs herO looked Like He was Just Dome for and Just wanted the Match to end.
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On September 08 2025 07:12 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2025 04:34 Hider wrote: It's kinda interesting to see how terrans are going to adapt in TvP. Bio is not viable anymore. So either switch to PvP or go mech.
Mech looked pretty good for Maru in G2 vs Showtime - however, I think protoss mostly needs to adapt. I don't think Showtime is used to playing against a terran that actually knows how to setup defensively. Toss the best at adapting since they basically have been adapting patch to patch for a decade. Their builds and timing are constantly changing. Zerg is okay at adapting since they are more reactive race Terran are terrible at adapting since they know nothing except mmm since WOL. Their builds haven’t really change much since LoTV or just too stubborn
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On September 08 2025 07:12 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2025 04:34 Hider wrote: It's kinda interesting to see how terrans are going to adapt in TvP. Bio is not viable anymore. So either switch to PvP or go mech.
Mech looked pretty good for Maru in G2 vs Showtime - however, I think protoss mostly needs to adapt. I don't think Showtime is used to playing against a terran that actually knows how to setup defensively. Toss the best at adapting since they basically have been adapting patch to patch for a decade. Their builds and timing are constantly changing. Zerg is okay at adapting since they are more reactive race Terran are terrible at adapting since they know nothing except mmm since WOL. Their builds haven’t really change much since LoTV or just too stubborn Terrans are atrocious for whining and having an unearned martyr complex in many instances, but you can’t say they don’t adapt. They’ve thrown a veritable kitchen sink of approaches against Toss in the current high-level meta, and as yet don’t have reliable solutions.
Mech certainly ain’t gonna be it, Toss players have probably not seen it in years and are out of practice in responding properly. I can’t see that lasting all too long. Which tbh I don’t really mind as I don’t particularly enjoy SC2 mech in TvP
This may genuinely be one of the worst matchup metas in the history of the game at the top level and I really don’t see an out that isn’t a patch of some kind. At least in the top 10
Perhaps someone will figure something out, it’s always cool when organic solutions are found to problems without a patch, I just don’t currently see it. Granted I’m a scrub and not a progamer, so it’s only natural I wouldn’t have any great ideas
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The schedule is just gruesome for koreans.
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On September 08 2025 08:20 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2025 07:12 TeamMamba wrote:On September 08 2025 04:34 Hider wrote: It's kinda interesting to see how terrans are going to adapt in TvP. Bio is not viable anymore. So either switch to PvP or go mech.
Mech looked pretty good for Maru in G2 vs Showtime - however, I think protoss mostly needs to adapt. I don't think Showtime is used to playing against a terran that actually knows how to setup defensively. Toss the best at adapting since they basically have been adapting patch to patch for a decade. Their builds and timing are constantly changing. Zerg is okay at adapting since they are more reactive race Terran are terrible at adapting since they know nothing except mmm since WOL. Their builds haven’t really change much since LoTV or just too stubborn Terrans are atrocious for whining and having an unearned martyr complex in many instances, but you can’t say they don’t adapt. They’ve thrown a veritable kitchen sink of approaches against Toss in the current high-level meta, and as yet don’t have reliable solutions. Mech certainly ain’t gonna be it, Toss players have probably not seen it in years and are out of practice in responding properly. I can’t see that lasting all too long. Which tbh I don’t really mind as I don’t particularly enjoy SC2 mech in TvP This may genuinely be one of the worst matchup metas in the history of the game at the top level and I really don’t see an out that isn’t a patch of some kind. At least in the top 10 Perhaps someone will figure something out, it’s always cool when organic solutions are found to problems without a patch, I just don’t currently see it. Granted I’m a scrub and not a progamer, so it’s only natural I wouldn’t have any great ideas
Terran whining been there since WOL
I dunno wombat if I agree if terran has throw kitchen sink approach in current meta. What has really changed in their approach? 2 base timing pull the boys isn’t sometime that is new. This was literally a 90% win rate against toss before classic literally solved it by changing the meta. Didn’t rush a fast third, instead going for more units and rushing storm. Before classic, toss was still trying to go col first, but still kept dying when terran pushed their 3rd
Toss was literally dying each time to this timing push before classic paved the way. Once again, it was the toss that found the solution and adapt.
As of right now, the only thing I see new is mech approach switch is working semi decently. Now it’s up to the Terran to think of something new and adapt instead of stubborning doing the same thing over and over and cry about it when it fails
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On September 08 2025 12:21 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2025 08:20 WombaT wrote:On September 08 2025 07:12 TeamMamba wrote:On September 08 2025 04:34 Hider wrote: It's kinda interesting to see how terrans are going to adapt in TvP. Bio is not viable anymore. So either switch to PvP or go mech.
Mech looked pretty good for Maru in G2 vs Showtime - however, I think protoss mostly needs to adapt. I don't think Showtime is used to playing against a terran that actually knows how to setup defensively. Toss the best at adapting since they basically have been adapting patch to patch for a decade. Their builds and timing are constantly changing. Zerg is okay at adapting since they are more reactive race Terran are terrible at adapting since they know nothing except mmm since WOL. Their builds haven’t really change much since LoTV or just too stubborn Terrans are atrocious for whining and having an unearned martyr complex in many instances, but you can’t say they don’t adapt. They’ve thrown a veritable kitchen sink of approaches against Toss in the current high-level meta, and as yet don’t have reliable solutions. Mech certainly ain’t gonna be it, Toss players have probably not seen it in years and are out of practice in responding properly. I can’t see that lasting all too long. Which tbh I don’t really mind as I don’t particularly enjoy SC2 mech in TvP This may genuinely be one of the worst matchup metas in the history of the game at the top level and I really don’t see an out that isn’t a patch of some kind. At least in the top 10 Perhaps someone will figure something out, it’s always cool when organic solutions are found to problems without a patch, I just don’t currently see it. Granted I’m a scrub and not a progamer, so it’s only natural I wouldn’t have any great ideas Terran whining been there since WOL I dunno wombat if I agree if terran has throw kitchen sink approach in current meta. What has really changed in their approach? 2 base timing pull the boys isn’t sometime that is new. This was literally a 90% win rate against toss before classic literally solved it by changing the meta. Didn’t rush a fast third, instead going for more units and rushing storm. Before classic, toss was still trying to go col first, but still kept dying when terran pushed their 3rd Toss was literally dying each time to this timing push before classic paved the way. Once again, it was the toss that found the solution and adapt. As of right now, the only thing I see new is mech approach switch is working semi decently. Now it’s up to the Terran to think of something new and adapt instead of stubborning doing the same thing over and over and cry about it when it fails
yes. terrans need to adapt and find a new approach - like switching to protoss 
anyway, don't feed the troll. the whole purpose of TeamMamba's TL account is to ragebait people on this topic
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On September 08 2025 08:20 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2025 07:12 TeamMamba wrote:On September 08 2025 04:34 Hider wrote: It's kinda interesting to see how terrans are going to adapt in TvP. Bio is not viable anymore. So either switch to PvP or go mech.
Mech looked pretty good for Maru in G2 vs Showtime - however, I think protoss mostly needs to adapt. I don't think Showtime is used to playing against a terran that actually knows how to setup defensively. Toss the best at adapting since they basically have been adapting patch to patch for a decade. Their builds and timing are constantly changing. Zerg is okay at adapting since they are more reactive race Terran are terrible at adapting since they know nothing except mmm since WOL. Their builds haven’t really change much since LoTV or just too stubborn Terrans are atrocious for whining and having an unearned martyr complex in many instances, but you can’t say they don’t adapt. They’ve thrown a veritable kitchen sink of approaches against Toss in the current high-level meta, and as yet don’t have reliable solutions. Mech certainly ain’t gonna be it, Toss players have probably not seen it in years and are out of practice in responding properly. I can’t see that lasting all too long. Which tbh I don’t really mind as I don’t particularly enjoy SC2 mech in TvP This may genuinely be one of the worst matchup metas in the history of the game at the top level and I really don’t see an out that isn’t a patch of some kind. At least in the top 10 Perhaps someone will figure something out, it’s always cool when organic solutions are found to problems without a patch, I just don’t currently see it. Granted I’m a scrub and not a progamer, so it’s only natural I wouldn’t have any great ideas
I still think it's kinda enjoyable seeing new playstyles as it forces new tactics/strategies. It makes it a bit more unpredictable how the game will play out.
But yes TvP is the closest we get to broodlord/infestor. We don't know when we are gonna get a patch. It could last long and I think all terrans should start practising protoss now. Eventually TvT matchups may turn into PvP.
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We're not even remotely close to Brood Lord/Infestor levels of imbalance.
EDIT:
There is definitely a problem with Energy Overcharge*, but it's not even close to being that bad.
*which would be best fixed by rolling back to a patch that we know was statistically balanced, such as the Balance Council's very first patch, but we're probably going to get more cack-handed attempts at fixing the game by self-interested professional players with little-to-no game development experience...
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SPOILER Alert!!!
big congratslation to Showtime, he was the Maestro of that series.
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