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On June 12 2025 21:31 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2025 20:35 darklycid wrote:On June 12 2025 20:11 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 19:57 MJG wrote:On June 12 2025 19:42 tigera6 wrote:
The thing is most Terran dont see macro PvT is playable, outside of Clem and maybe Maru. Bunny 3rd CC would still have been behind Classic anyway and he cant move out until he got better tech and upgrade. It's perfectly playable if you can get to a Viking/Ghost or Liberator/Ghost late game. The problem has been that Protoss is able to cut too many corners in the early game, so they've had too much of a lead going into the mid game, and so Terrans have been getting run over before they can get their late game tech. This won't happen if Protoss is too scared to cut corners and Bunny had already confirmed that Classic wasn't cutting corners, so doing an attack that only works if Protoss cuts corners was a silly strategic decision. To play that lategame style you need at least a 4th base then trying to hold a 5th, but most Terran hasnt been able to hold their 4th against midgame Protoss army from what I have seen at top level. Yea because protosses got a quicker third to snowball but if the protoss aint taking a 3rd until like 6-7minutes in he cannot snowball like that. Edit: in g3 the canceled 3rd cc by bunny was still earlier than classics actual 3rd base. Classic was still ahead on worker, has Storm - Charge - Blink and a Robo. Meanwhile Bunny has no Combat Shield, no EBay, only 3 Barracks, 1 Reactor. Even if Bunny could build a faster 3rd CC, he cant land that 3rd base while Classic can make more probes, take a 4th and get quicker upgrade. Bunny already cutting corner for his timing push as well, so its not as straight forward as he can get back to a macro game with a quicker 3rd CC.
I disagree mules can make Up for the workers and Storm into a Defensive terran is weaker than using it to defend. And however hard it would have been the answer is Not scv pulling a 2 Base Storm protoss.
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On June 12 2025 22:02 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2025 21:31 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 20:35 darklycid wrote:On June 12 2025 20:11 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 19:57 MJG wrote:On June 12 2025 19:42 tigera6 wrote:
The thing is most Terran dont see macro PvT is playable, outside of Clem and maybe Maru. Bunny 3rd CC would still have been behind Classic anyway and he cant move out until he got better tech and upgrade. It's perfectly playable if you can get to a Viking/Ghost or Liberator/Ghost late game. The problem has been that Protoss is able to cut too many corners in the early game, so they've had too much of a lead going into the mid game, and so Terrans have been getting run over before they can get their late game tech. This won't happen if Protoss is too scared to cut corners and Bunny had already confirmed that Classic wasn't cutting corners, so doing an attack that only works if Protoss cuts corners was a silly strategic decision. To play that lategame style you need at least a 4th base then trying to hold a 5th, but most Terran hasnt been able to hold their 4th against midgame Protoss army from what I have seen at top level. Yea because protosses got a quicker third to snowball but if the protoss aint taking a 3rd until like 6-7minutes in he cannot snowball like that. Edit: in g3 the canceled 3rd cc by bunny was still earlier than classics actual 3rd base. Classic was still ahead on worker, has Storm - Charge - Blink and a Robo. Meanwhile Bunny has no Combat Shield, no EBay, only 3 Barracks, 1 Reactor. Even if Bunny could build a faster 3rd CC, he cant land that 3rd base while Classic can make more probes, take a 4th and get quicker upgrade. Bunny already cutting corner for his timing push as well, so its not as straight forward as he can get back to a macro game with a quicker 3rd CC. I disagree mules can make Up for the workers and Storm into a Defensive terran is weaker than using it to defend. And however hard it would have been the answer is Not scv pulling a 2 Base Storm protoss.
This was basically what I was thinking. That Storm is great defensively, but that it's a real pain to use offensively.
Bunny made it far too easy by going for an SCV pull that was doomed to fail.
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Too bad for Zoun. Looked like he was ready for a breakout performance.
With Cure and Maru randomly dropping does herO have somewhat of a straight shot to repeat? Even though the two tourneys were a month apart? Heh.
I would love to see Classic win...
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On June 12 2025 22:02 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2025 21:31 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 20:35 darklycid wrote:On June 12 2025 20:11 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 19:57 MJG wrote:On June 12 2025 19:42 tigera6 wrote:
The thing is most Terran dont see macro PvT is playable, outside of Clem and maybe Maru. Bunny 3rd CC would still have been behind Classic anyway and he cant move out until he got better tech and upgrade. It's perfectly playable if you can get to a Viking/Ghost or Liberator/Ghost late game. The problem has been that Protoss is able to cut too many corners in the early game, so they've had too much of a lead going into the mid game, and so Terrans have been getting run over before they can get their late game tech. This won't happen if Protoss is too scared to cut corners and Bunny had already confirmed that Classic wasn't cutting corners, so doing an attack that only works if Protoss cuts corners was a silly strategic decision. To play that lategame style you need at least a 4th base then trying to hold a 5th, but most Terran hasnt been able to hold their 4th against midgame Protoss army from what I have seen at top level. Yea because protosses got a quicker third to snowball but if the protoss aint taking a 3rd until like 6-7minutes in he cannot snowball like that. Edit: in g3 the canceled 3rd cc by bunny was still earlier than classics actual 3rd base. Classic was still ahead on worker, has Storm - Charge - Blink and a Robo. Meanwhile Bunny has no Combat Shield, no EBay, only 3 Barracks, 1 Reactor. Even if Bunny could build a faster 3rd CC, he cant land that 3rd base while Classic can make more probes, take a 4th and get quicker upgrade. Bunny already cutting corner for his timing push as well, so its not as straight forward as he can get back to a macro game with a quicker 3rd CC. I disagree mules can make Up for the workers and Storm into a Defensive terran is weaker than using it to defend. And however hard it would have been the answer is Not scv pulling a 2 Base Storm protoss.
I think Classic position in that case would have been delaying the 3rd from landing as long as he could while he probe up the economy and taking a 4th base. He doesnt need to attack into a 2 base Terran, just holding it.
But I do agree all-in into a 2 base Storm Protoss is even worse, definitely turtling on 2 base would be the better solution for Bunny at that point. May be he can slow seige the Protoss 3rd Nexus without the SCVs as well, but that might still be risky.
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On June 12 2025 22:49 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2025 22:02 darklycid wrote:On June 12 2025 21:31 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 20:35 darklycid wrote:On June 12 2025 20:11 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 19:57 MJG wrote:On June 12 2025 19:42 tigera6 wrote:
The thing is most Terran dont see macro PvT is playable, outside of Clem and maybe Maru. Bunny 3rd CC would still have been behind Classic anyway and he cant move out until he got better tech and upgrade. It's perfectly playable if you can get to a Viking/Ghost or Liberator/Ghost late game. The problem has been that Protoss is able to cut too many corners in the early game, so they've had too much of a lead going into the mid game, and so Terrans have been getting run over before they can get their late game tech. This won't happen if Protoss is too scared to cut corners and Bunny had already confirmed that Classic wasn't cutting corners, so doing an attack that only works if Protoss cuts corners was a silly strategic decision. To play that lategame style you need at least a 4th base then trying to hold a 5th, but most Terran hasnt been able to hold their 4th against midgame Protoss army from what I have seen at top level. Yea because protosses got a quicker third to snowball but if the protoss aint taking a 3rd until like 6-7minutes in he cannot snowball like that. Edit: in g3 the canceled 3rd cc by bunny was still earlier than classics actual 3rd base. Classic was still ahead on worker, has Storm - Charge - Blink and a Robo. Meanwhile Bunny has no Combat Shield, no EBay, only 3 Barracks, 1 Reactor. Even if Bunny could build a faster 3rd CC, he cant land that 3rd base while Classic can make more probes, take a 4th and get quicker upgrade. Bunny already cutting corner for his timing push as well, so its not as straight forward as he can get back to a macro game with a quicker 3rd CC. I disagree mules can make Up for the workers and Storm into a Defensive terran is weaker than using it to defend. And however hard it would have been the answer is Not scv pulling a 2 Base Storm protoss. I think Classic position in that case would have been delaying the 3rd from landing as long as he could while he probe up the economy and taking a 4th base. He doesnt need to attack into a 2 base Terran, just holding it. But I do agree all-in into a 2 base Storm Protoss is even worse, definitely turtling on 2 base would be the better solution for Bunny at that point. May be he can slow seige the Protoss 3rd Nexus without the SCVs as well, but that might still be risky.
Idk i dont see classic denying the 3rd that easily (also what 4th he needed to get his 3rd up first).
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