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On June 23 2025 01:11 Antithesis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 00:36 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 21:00 Balnazza wrote:On June 22 2025 14:08 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote:On June 22 2025 10:43 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote:
Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always. Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified. He literally won a tournament that had Clem/Serral/Maru present only 6 months ago. Granted it wasn't the most important or serious tournament but it was offline with $10k prize pool. Even counting small online stuff how many players can say they've won an event that had all 3 of them present? Not many. He will be by far the best player to miss out on EWC if he does and it happening in this way is just a shame. I think this final qualifier should have been a round robin if it was going to be limited to 8 players. That would be much more fair and prevent a single bad series from putting you in a terrible spot. But it is not a "single bad series". This is the Last Chance qualifier. Which means GuMiho already wasted all his other chances. Just for you, the recap of all the chances GuMiho missed: 1)He was at the last EWC and got beaten by Astrea and Oliveira. 2)He lost to herO and Classic in GSL respectively (admittingly the worst losses, considering he both times lost to the eventual winner) 3)He lost vs. Cure and Ryung in the Korean qualifier (getting smacked 0-3 against Cure btw) 4)He did not even try to qualify for Bellum Gens Elite, missing out the qualifying spots there completly. 5)He did lose to Solar and trigger (0-2 btw) at DH Dallas. 6)He lost 3-1 vs. goblin now, who was probably the easiest player to beat next to Lemon in the first round. Now he has to beat Astrea and Ryung This is GuMihos sixth chance to qualify. So maybe, just maybe, if you can't hack it over such a long period of time, it might not be anti-koreanism? Not to mention that I fail to see how Koreans have it "the hardest" with two extra spots, but hey... And the only reason KR even ended up with 10 slots is because they swept Dallas which no one expected. KR having 10 slots was clearly not the organizers plan. What is this supposed to mean? Dallas was literally an open-bracket tournament in which anyone could participate. There was no region-specific ruling at all. It is just not true that Koreans were disadvantaged in the qualifying process. They could and did participate in Dallas; they could and did participate in BGE Stara Zagora; they got not one but two qualifying tournaments (GSL) on their own home ground; they got their own separate regional qualifier, like every other region; and at last they could and did participate in the final global qualifier that we are watching right now.
They have the deepest line up and were given only equal guaranteed slots to EU.
There was a very high chance the way the qualifiers were setup that they would only end up with 7-8 slots. If Serral/Reynor took two Dallas slots (which was expected) then EU would basically have an equal player count. Using aligulac (which if anything underrates Korea) they currently make up 12 out of the top 18 and had pretty much zero chance of taking that many slots with the qualifier setup.
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Quick 3rd Nexus and no battery on any base, no Robo, Astrea took too many unnecessary risk.
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Nice game5, Astrea just wore Gumiho down
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Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
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On June 23 2025 01:24 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 01:11 Antithesis wrote:On June 23 2025 00:36 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 21:00 Balnazza wrote:On June 22 2025 14:08 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote:On June 22 2025 10:43 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote:
Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always. Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified. He literally won a tournament that had Clem/Serral/Maru present only 6 months ago. Granted it wasn't the most important or serious tournament but it was offline with $10k prize pool. Even counting small online stuff how many players can say they've won an event that had all 3 of them present? Not many. He will be by far the best player to miss out on EWC if he does and it happening in this way is just a shame. I think this final qualifier should have been a round robin if it was going to be limited to 8 players. That would be much more fair and prevent a single bad series from putting you in a terrible spot. But it is not a "single bad series". This is the Last Chance qualifier. Which means GuMiho already wasted all his other chances. Just for you, the recap of all the chances GuMiho missed: 1)He was at the last EWC and got beaten by Astrea and Oliveira. 2)He lost to herO and Classic in GSL respectively (admittingly the worst losses, considering he both times lost to the eventual winner) 3)He lost vs. Cure and Ryung in the Korean qualifier (getting smacked 0-3 against Cure btw) 4)He did not even try to qualify for Bellum Gens Elite, missing out the qualifying spots there completly. 5)He did lose to Solar and trigger (0-2 btw) at DH Dallas. 6)He lost 3-1 vs. goblin now, who was probably the easiest player to beat next to Lemon in the first round. Now he has to beat Astrea and Ryung This is GuMihos sixth chance to qualify. So maybe, just maybe, if you can't hack it over such a long period of time, it might not be anti-koreanism? Not to mention that I fail to see how Koreans have it "the hardest" with two extra spots, but hey... And the only reason KR even ended up with 10 slots is because they swept Dallas which no one expected. KR having 10 slots was clearly not the organizers plan. What is this supposed to mean? Dallas was literally an open-bracket tournament in which anyone could participate. There was no region-specific ruling at all. It is just not true that Koreans were disadvantaged in the qualifying process. They could and did participate in Dallas; they could and did participate in BGE Stara Zagora; they got not one but two qualifying tournaments (GSL) on their own home ground; they got their own separate regional qualifier, like every other region; and at last they could and did participate in the final global qualifier that we are watching right now. They have the deepest line up and were given only equal guaranteed slots to EU. There was a very high chance the way the qualifiers were setup that they would only end up with 7-8 slots. If Serral/Reynor took two Dallas slots (which was expected) then EU would basically have an equal player count. Using aligulac (which if anything underrates Korea) they currently make up 12 out of the top 18 and had pretty much zero chance of taking that many slots with the qualifier setup.
The only "guaranteed" slots are the main qualifier slots, which means 2. Considering that the korean scene barely consists of ~15 noteworthy players, that is already generous. BGE and GSL are clearly not the same commitment, but even if you are ludicrous enough to think so: If Korea is so far ahead as you proclaim, they should easily win all of the global qualifier spots like they did in the past. Instead GuMiho crashes out against Goblin and Astrea...whoops...
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By the way, speaking of regional representation, I just realized Germany is the country with the second-highest number of representatives at EWC after Korea.
+ Show Spoiler +The number being two, ShowTime and Lambo. + Show Spoiler +And that's not even counting HeroMarine, who's currently also playing for qualification.
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I do think Gumiho illustrates the importance of some sort of point system for qualification though, 1 HSC win in the off-season and 2 GSL ro4s does put Gumiho as one of the best players in the world, even if he is inconsistent. If EWC happens next year hopefully there's some semblance of a circuit, even if it doesn't have that many tournaments.
In terms of number of spots for each region, it's fine. I can see an argument for a few more spots for KR, but I don't think the current allocation is ridiculous.
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On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves!
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On June 23 2025 02:29 SHODAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves!
Whatever helps you cope kiddo
Better luck to gumiho next year
Also what you just described was what lemon tried to do and he got streamrolled by both Byun and heromarine
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France12911 Posts
On June 23 2025 02:32 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:29 SHODAN wrote:On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves! Whatever helps you cope kiddo Better luck to gumiho next year Also what you just described was what lemon tried to do and he got streamrolled by both Byun and heromarine
I mean the gap between Lemon and both of these terrans is so large that it would take a really poor balance to even be a competitive match
Poor HeroMarine though, this matchup seems like hell atm
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On June 23 2025 02:32 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:29 SHODAN wrote:On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves! Whatever helps you cope kiddo Better luck to gumiho next year Also what you just described was what lemon tried to do and he got streamrolled by both Byun and heromarine
who? who? who? who? who?
I never even heard of Lemon before this tournament. everyone knows who Byun is for about 15 years
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On June 23 2025 02:32 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:29 SHODAN wrote:On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves! Whatever helps you cope kiddo Better luck to gumiho next year Also what you just described was what lemon tried to do and he got streamrolled by both Byun and heromarine
Lemon never made Storm, didnt try to go consistent splash damage, his upgrade was also not ahead. Basically his game was trying survive the first 6 minutes and then die slowly. The gap between Lancer/Firefly and the rest of CN/Asian player is pretty huge based on what I have seen.
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On June 23 2025 02:25 dysenterymd wrote:
I do think Gumiho illustrates the importance of some sort of point system for qualification though, 1 HSC win in the off-season and 2 GSL ro4s does put Gumiho as one of the best players in the world, even if he is inconsistent. If EWC happens next year hopefully there's some semblance of a circuit, even if it doesn't have that many tournaments.
In terms of number of spots for each region, it's fine. I can see an argument for a few more spots for KR, but I don't think the current allocation is ridiculous.
While I get the appeal, just a quick reminder: HSC was a 24-player tournament that gave out 22(!) of its slots via invite. And the invites were clearly not skill-based, considering that one of the two qualifier-spots went to Clem (who I guess just didn't accept the invite before?).
So even if their was a circuit beforehand, HSC in that form would not have given out any points or direct invite. I think from its 26 seasons so far, maybe 2-3 at best gave out WCS/EPT points, because HSC has always been so extremly invite-heavy.
If HSC would have been an "earnest" 24-player tournament that gave out a direct invite to EWC or atleast some hefty points...I honestly would open the discussion to the question if GuMiho would have been able to qualify for it.
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On June 23 2025 02:25 dysenterymd wrote:
I do think Gumiho illustrates the importance of some sort of point system for qualification though, 1 HSC win in the off-season and 2 GSL ro4s does put Gumiho as one of the best players in the world, even if he is inconsistent. If EWC happens next year hopefully there's some semblance of a circuit, even if it doesn't have that many tournaments.
In terms of number of spots for each region, it's fine. I can see an argument for a few more spots for KR, but I don't think the current allocation is ridiculous.
That would require EWC to give a shit though. And think about this in advance, and confirm SC2 with a decent amount of notice.
On June 23 2025 02:29 SHODAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves!
I mean this works both ways, Gumigod is one of the more prolific cyclone users in the other matchups and that’s not even meant to be as strong as it is currently.
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On June 23 2025 02:59 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:25 dysenterymd wrote:
I do think Gumiho illustrates the importance of some sort of point system for qualification though, 1 HSC win in the off-season and 2 GSL ro4s does put Gumiho as one of the best players in the world, even if he is inconsistent. If EWC happens next year hopefully there's some semblance of a circuit, even if it doesn't have that many tournaments.
In terms of number of spots for each region, it's fine. I can see an argument for a few more spots for KR, but I don't think the current allocation is ridiculous. That would require EWC to give a shit though. And think about this in advance, and confirm SC2 with a decent amount of notice. Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:29 SHODAN wrote:On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves! I mean this works both ways, Gumigod is one of the more prolific cyclone users in the other matchups and that’s not even meant to be as strong as it is currently.
ah yes. the 5.0.11 cyclone. a unit so unbelievably powerful that you might occasionally see exactly 1 of them made in early-game TvT
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Most EU Protoss treat Storm like non-existence or as a late game 3rd option of splash is costing them games like this.
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France12911 Posts
HeroMarine with the comeback, if it was a bo5 it would have been a reverse sweep. goblin can't feel too good about that, and he is kind of a newer player so can he calm his nerves and claw back?
I am rooting for HeroMarine but having a "new" player break into the top would be nice, especially a protoss that dares to participate in offline events 
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Did not expect to see so many PvTs today.
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France12911 Posts
Astrea might win the award of the most boring games in the qualifier?
Dude was ahead from the get go and decided not to ever try to kill Ryung
lmao
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Astrea pvt is such a beauty.
Having HT everywhere to reinforce/ support storm is a thing of beauty
Absolute masterclass slowly picking the terrans part today.
EU toss need to take notice and learn from Astrea, and not rely on garbage disruptor
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