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United States33392 Posts
 Esports World Cup/2025/Qualifiers
The Esports World Cup announced the schedule for its regional online qualifiers, which will award six spots at EWC 2025. An additional global online qualifier will be held during June 21-22 to decide the final four players.
Korea: Top 2 qualify
Open Qualifier #1: May 30
Open Qualifier #2: May 31
Closed Qualifier: June 1
Europe: Top 2 qualify
Open Qualifier #1: May 28
Open Qualifier #2: May 29
Closed Qualifier: May 31-June 1
Americas: Top 1 qualifies
Open Qualifier #1: May 28
Open Qualifier #2: May 29
Closed Qualifier: May 30
Asia: Top 1 qualifies
Open Qualifier #1: May 28
Open Qualifier #2: May 29
Closed Qualifier: May 30
Global/Last Chance: Top 4 qualify
Global Qualifier: June 21-22
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This is great and I'm also interested in this game and want to Play
Help me how can I play this game
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Love it. Love this bloodbath road to EWC schedule.
Great sc2 content almost every week
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I'm assuming these are region locked?
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On May 23 2025 02:04 argonautdice wrote:
I'm assuming these are region locked?
Atleast they have been last year. And usually, if they are not region-locked, they are called "Server qualifiers"
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On May 23 2025 02:04 argonautdice wrote:
I'm assuming these are region locked?
Would be my guess since they have a global qualifier aswell
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Got it, thanks for the info
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On May 22 2025 22:42 Farhan 706 wrote:
This is great and I'm also interested in this game and want to Play
Help me how can I play this game
How are you doing, fellow humans?
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On May 22 2025 22:42 Farhan 706 wrote:
This is great and I'm also interested in this game and want to Play
Help me how can I play this game
Ahh, classic Farhan..
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I can't wait to get bopped in the first round of the qualifier.
Should be fun though!
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For EU, pretty sure it's going to be Serral and Reynor qualifying. The other regions would be more of a toss up.
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On May 29 2025 17:48 johnnyh123 wrote:For EU, pretty sure it's going to be Serral and Reynor qualifying. The other regions would be more of a toss up.
Hehe 'toss' Up.
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Northern Ireland25372 Posts
On May 23 2025 00:50 Blitzball04 wrote:
Love it. Love this bloodbath road to EWC schedule.
Great sc2 content almost every week
I can’t say I’m a fan of the famine then feast approach myself. Although it is quite intense and hyped right now.
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I see Scarlett and Special are participating in these qualifiers which made me wonder why they weren't at Dallas. Did either of them mention anything?
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On May 29 2025 17:48 johnnyh123 wrote:For EU, pretty sure it's going to be Serral and Reynor qualifying. The other regions would be more of a toss up.
Shame Serral and Reynor got knockout in Dreamhack. Would have been nice to see the other EU player battling out for the final 2 spots of the qualifiers
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The EU players still need to fight for top 5 to get to the Global Qualifier.
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Great run by Firefly in the Asian qualifier today.
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Kinda hope Astrea gets through the Global Qualifier, but I wouldn't bet much on it.
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trigger is kind of tearing it up rn. Could have a deep run in a larger tournament akin to Astrea's first international breakthrough!
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Trigger being the first Basilisk boy to qualify, wild. Looking forward to the EU qualifier today.
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kinda bad that the main stream isnt listed under the event
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On June 01 2025 02:31 Kreuger wrote:
kinda bad that the main stream isnt listed under the event
I tried to find this account but failed 
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Protoss need to get Storm for free
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Reynor seems in good shape again.
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im so sad Cham didnt make it. it looks it was close against Astrea
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It's disappointing that the global qualifier is only 8 slots and is based on the region qualifier results. Would have been nice to have a giant open bracket for the final qualifier. I know we just had that at Dallas but it's different when all the top contenders are present.
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Nice to see that Reynor still seems to have his ability to turn on his tournament mode when needed. ShowTime forgetting storm in that last game was tragic, though.
Also Serral walking 9-0 over the European protosses, haha.
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Northern Ireland25372 Posts
On June 01 2025 11:34 Antithesis wrote:
Nice to see that Reynor still seems to have his ability to turn on his tournament mode when needed. ShowTime forgetting storm in that last game was tragic, though.
Also Serral walking 9-0 over the European protosses, haha.
Classic made him mad haha
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On June 01 2025 05:30 JJH777 wrote:
It's disappointing that the global qualifier is only 8 slots and is based on the region qualifier results. Would have been nice to have a giant open bracket for the final qualifier. I know we just had that at Dallas but it's different when all the top contenders are present.
I actually like the current format, it gives all the regional qualifiers extra incentive rather than just the straight qualification spot.
Whats interesting is how the spot from Stara Zagora will get passed down because most of the top players might have already qualified (Serral/Clem/Reynor even Showtime/Trigger).
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The continuous contamination to delay Storm researched was a nice idea from Rogue.
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The lower bracket isn't streamed at all?
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
Man Gumibro got out TvT'd by Ryung. Sad days T_T
Zoun vs Cure is an absolute must watch series and it's not even over yet
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Cure really shouldnt have lost this but imo really misplayed the basetrade.
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Yeah, Cure was not ready to fly any of the building out and lost all of his worker during the base trade.
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Did protoss Players get that much better with storms or why are terrans again liking to eat Them this hard.
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On June 01 2025 22:07 darklycid wrote:
Did protoss Players get that much better with storms or why are terrans again liking to eat Them this hard.
Energy recharge mean more energy for storm, especially in critical situation.
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On June 01 2025 22:17 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2025 22:07 darklycid wrote:
Did protoss Players get that much better with storms or why are terrans again liking to eat Them this hard. Energy recharge mean more energy for storm, especially in critical situation.
Yea but the storms cure are werent Overcharge storms. I Just meant in General.
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On June 01 2025 22:23 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2025 22:17 tigera6 wrote:On June 01 2025 22:07 darklycid wrote:
Did protoss Players get that much better with storms or why are terrans again liking to eat Them this hard. Energy recharge mean more energy for storm, especially in critical situation. Yea but the storms cure are werent Overcharge storms. I Just meant in General.
I just think Protoss players realize Storm now is better than Colossi/Disruptor and commit into it more frequently and earlier. Also the lack of long range unit from Terran meaning its harder to zone out the Templar, and the hallucination Phoenix plus Obs always give out the Terran army location for better planning of the storm.
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With only TvT ahead: Is there really a chance Ryung of all people would qualify for EWC? Gotta say, I really didn't foresee that the korean qualifies would become the most fun ones. Feels like so many players are either inconsistent or on the same level as soon as you take out Maru and herO.
Technically also true for Europe, but it feels like that after Serral, Clem and Reynor, there is still a tier of player before everyone else. But in Korea? Really everyone could take it
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What also crazy is the spot from GSL S2 might fall down all the way to the 5th-6th player as 5 players there already qualified, so Rogue might just need to beat Gumiho to qualify for EWC.
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On June 01 2025 22:07 darklycid wrote:
Did protoss Players get that much better with storms or why are terrans again liking to eat Them this hard.
Just read this seconds prior to tuning in to the stream and watching GuMiho eat every storm in sight, haha.
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2 base SCV pull for the win
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On June 01 2025 22:23 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2025 22:17 tigera6 wrote:On June 01 2025 22:07 darklycid wrote:
Did protoss Players get that much better with storms or why are terrans again liking to eat Them this hard. Energy recharge mean more energy for storm, especially in critical situation. Yea but the storms cure are werent Overcharge storms. I Just meant in General.
also EMP radius is much smaller now. For some time already but it always takes a bit for the meta to catch up
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Sad end for creator, if Gumiho qualifies through GSL then creator gets to the global qualifiers despite losing this match right?
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... poor Creator... again....
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Creator consistently losing in the most frustrating ways imaginable, complete with GuMiho reverse sweeping and accidentally manner muling. Poor guy.
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live by the reaper, die by the reaper
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Somehow Elazer only practice the build of +1 armor Roach against 2-2 Bio?
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Serral cruising the EU qualifier 13-1, as was probably to be expected.
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Serral look stable as always, but Reynor chose to go Muta twice in a row wasnt doing anything, and his opening being too greedy as well.
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I think ZvZ is actually Serral's best match up now, he's lost one ZvZ series in 2024 and 2025 combined (his recent 3-4 to Dark.) Considering he only loses to Clem in ZvT, ZvP might also be his worst matchup. Funny how times change.
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Let's hope round 2 of showtime reynor is better than the last one.
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Already much cleaner play from Showtime
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Who is this and what has he done with Mr Sieber.
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can this guy close the series? LUL
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Man reynor in this phase of the game looks disgusting with all the nydus worms etc.
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Imagine Showtime wouldnt just lose the game at the first multiprong.
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On June 02 2025 06:28 darklycid wrote:
Imagine Showtime wouldnt just lose the game at the first multiprong.
This is what happens when Reynor is the fastest player in the game (maybe only surpassed by Clem).
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Hopefully Showtime can still manage to qualify in Bulgaria or the global qualifiers, I think he deserves it.
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Sad for showtime he looked pretty good but reynor in macro games looks pretty disgusting.
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Considering Reynor 3-0 herO in Dallas, Showtime did great, he just missed the spot slightly with the Glaive Adept in game 7. I think he could have done much more damage if he mass them a bit more.
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Why is another surprised / hoping for a different outcome?
Showtimes has proven to us for over a decade that he can’t win “when it really matters”. He will beat who he is suppose to beat. But he will never beat any contenders
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Is there any chance of reps release?
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when is the global qualifier today? will it be streamed?
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So far the 1st round of this Global Qualifier has been a bit short and disappointing, some players just doesnt seems to be prepared or showing their best form here.
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On June 22 2025 01:19 tigera6 wrote:
So far the 1st round of this Global Qualifier has been a bit short and disappointing, some players just doesnt seems to be prepared or showing their best form here.
Which series are you referring to?
Lemon was never in Byun league to begin with, so him getting steamrolled was expected
Heromarine was always this type of players. Predictable similar to showtime style. Also Ryung is a tvt master
Lambo vs astrea I missed it
But goblin played very very well against gumiho
Other than that, no one really played under their usual self. If anything I would say goblin overachieved
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Wow Gumiho losing to Goblin is crazy. He now has a very hard path through Astrea and Ryung to qualify. Him missing EWC after winning HSC in December and getting top 4 in both GSLs this year would be so unfortunate.
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On June 22 2025 04:23 JJH777 wrote:
Wow Gumiho losing to Goblin is crazy. He now has a very hard path through Astrea and Ryung to qualify. Him missing EWC after winning HSC in December and getting top 4 in both GSLs this year would be so unfortunate.
you're right. GuMiho's run in EWC has been nothing short of crazy. he barely scraped his way into the global qualifier after a nail-biting reverse sweep over Creator in the KR qualifier tie-break match. he deserves to qualify. his vT and vZ are some of the best in the world right now. he just can't beat toss
if he makes it past Astrea, I'm fairly confident he can clinch it over Ryung
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Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today!
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On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote:
Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today!
That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always.
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On June 22 2025 10:43 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote:
Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always.
Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either.
I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin
So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify.
It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify.
All the Korean big dogs has already qualified.
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On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2025 10:43 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote:
Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always. Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified.
Actually Cure played Astrea in one of the online cup and he got wiped by storm after storm and die. PvT is just in a very good place for Protoss in general unless its Clem or Maru.
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On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2025 10:43 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote:
Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always. Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified.
GuMiho is one of the biggest Korean big dogs. he is incredibly dangerous in the other 2 match-ups and consistently beats the likes of Maru, Cure, Solar and Reynor. it is not unusual to see him stomp those big names in a very one-sided fashion. I'd probably rank his other 2 match-ups top 3 in the world, or at least on equal footing with Cure / Byun
it is kinda weird for a player his caliber to be knocked out of the biggest tournament of the year by some euro patchtoss like goblin and Shameless
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On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2025 10:43 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote:
Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always. Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified.
He literally won a tournament that had Clem/Serral/Maru present only 6 months ago. Granted it wasn't the most important or serious tournament but it was offline with $10k prize pool. Even counting small online stuff how many players can say they've won an event that had all 3 of them present? Not many. He will be by far the best player to miss out on EWC if he does and it happening in this way is just a shame.
I think this final qualifier should have been a round robin if it was going to be limited to 8 players. That would be much more fair and prevent a single bad series from putting you in a terrible spot.
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On June 22 2025 14:08 JJH777 wrote:
I think this final qualifier should have been a round robin if it was going to be limited to 8 players. That would be much more fair and prevent a single bad series from putting you in a terrible spot.
I think double elimination bo5 is fair enough when half of the players are getting through. It is essentially the GSL format for eight. Two losses in any reasonable format would mean elimination or near it. The talk about long-winding formats only raises if a fan-favorite is on the ropes. If this was round robin, there would be 28 matches which is only 5 less than the EWC main event itself -- and just to find out which 4 of these 8 deserve the last spots.
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On June 22 2025 14:08 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote:On June 22 2025 10:43 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote:
Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always. Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified. He literally won a tournament that had Clem/Serral/Maru present only 6 months ago. Granted it wasn't the most important or serious tournament but it was offline with $10k prize pool. Even counting small online stuff how many players can say they've won an event that had all 3 of them present? Not many. He will be by far the best player to miss out on EWC if he does and it happening in this way is just a shame. I think this final qualifier should have been a round robin if it was going to be limited to 8 players. That would be much more fair and prevent a single bad series from putting you in a terrible spot.
But it is not a "single bad series". This is the Last Chance qualifier. Which means GuMiho already wasted all his other chances.
Just for you, the recap of all the chances GuMiho missed:
1)He was at the last EWC and got beaten by Astrea and Oliveira.
2)He lost to herO and Classic in GSL respectively (admittingly the worst losses, considering he both times lost to the eventual winner)
3)He lost vs. Cure and Ryung in the Korean qualifier (getting smacked 0-3 against Cure btw)
4)He did not even try to qualify for Bellum Gens Elite, missing out the qualifying spots there completly.
5)He did lose to Solar and trigger (0-2 btw) at DH Dallas.
6)He lost 3-1 vs. goblin now, who was probably the easiest player to beat next to Lemon in the first round. Now he has to beat Astrea and Ryung
This is GuMihos sixth chance to qualify. So maybe, just maybe, if you can't hack it over such a long period of time, it might not be anti-koreanism? Not to mention that I fail to see how Koreans have it "the hardest" with two extra spots, but hey...
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Northern Ireland25372 Posts
I have expressed my issue with EWC qualification plenty in the past. Last year and this.
But it’s been clear for ages that there isn’t a points/consistent performance element to how you qualify, so you have to take one of your shots.
If EWC wouldn’t faff around for fucking months, that would also help. It’s a big cause of problems.
In terms of accomplishment and a tough field, I’d have no real issue with Gumigod getting a seed from his HSC win.
The problem then becomes the same as Stara Zagora. It’s also not fair on players who skipped those tournaments based on prize pool and other factors, only to find out an EWC ticket is on the line, and they may have not skipped.
You also have the problem where x player qualifies later in the season for being the highest placed player who hasn’t yet qualified, which worse actual placings than players who achieve results earlier in the cycle.
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>>he is incredibly dangerous in the other 2 match-ups and consistently beats the likes of Maru, Cure, Solar and Reynor<<
And yet he lost to Solar at DH Dallas, where Solar qualified. And then Cure and Ryung in the KR qualifier where Cure qualified. 10/18 qualified players are from KR. Completely grasping at straws...
Kind moot anyhow. Play today, win today. If you lose 7 different BoX series then so sorry, better luck next time. There will always be good players who don't make it to the global championship.
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Astrea felt that he didnt enough playtime against Lambo so he making damn sure to have an 1-hour game.
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What does Astrea think is his win condition, Gumiho falling asleep?
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On June 22 2025 21:00 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2025 14:08 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote:On June 22 2025 10:43 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote:
Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always. Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified. He literally won a tournament that had Clem/Serral/Maru present only 6 months ago. Granted it wasn't the most important or serious tournament but it was offline with $10k prize pool. Even counting small online stuff how many players can say they've won an event that had all 3 of them present? Not many. He will be by far the best player to miss out on EWC if he does and it happening in this way is just a shame. I think this final qualifier should have been a round robin if it was going to be limited to 8 players. That would be much more fair and prevent a single bad series from putting you in a terrible spot. But it is not a "single bad series". This is the Last Chance qualifier. Which means GuMiho already wasted all his other chances. Just for you, the recap of all the chances GuMiho missed: 1)He was at the last EWC and got beaten by Astrea and Oliveira. 2)He lost to herO and Classic in GSL respectively (admittingly the worst losses, considering he both times lost to the eventual winner) 3)He lost vs. Cure and Ryung in the Korean qualifier (getting smacked 0-3 against Cure btw) 4)He did not even try to qualify for Bellum Gens Elite, missing out the qualifying spots there completly. 5)He did lose to Solar and trigger (0-2 btw) at DH Dallas. 6)He lost 3-1 vs. goblin now, who was probably the easiest player to beat next to Lemon in the first round. Now he has to beat Astrea and Ryung This is GuMihos sixth chance to qualify. So maybe, just maybe, if you can't hack it over such a long period of time, it might not be anti-koreanism? Not to mention that I fail to see how Koreans have it "the hardest" with two extra spots, but hey...
Counting the two GSL spots as extra spots for Korea while simultaneously giving Gumiho grief for not playing in Bellum Gens is hypocritical. EU players were just as free to play in GSL as Koreans were to play in Bellum Gens. They didn't bother because aside from the top EU players who were already qualified they knew they'd have 0 chance. Reynor did play in S1 and could have stolen that slot. Hell looking at the brackets and the way tiebreakers were done GSL s2 could have been a very good chance for a lot of them. While it ended up being a finalist there was a very high chance before the event that simply getting top 6 would have qualified them and they still didn't attempt it.
And the only reason KR even ended up with 10 slots is because they swept Dallas which no one expected. KR having 10 slots was clearly not the organizers plan.
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Northern Ireland25372 Posts
On June 23 2025 00:36 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2025 21:00 Balnazza wrote:On June 22 2025 14:08 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote:On June 22 2025 10:43 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote:
Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always. Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified. He literally won a tournament that had Clem/Serral/Maru present only 6 months ago. Granted it wasn't the most important or serious tournament but it was offline with $10k prize pool. Even counting small online stuff how many players can say they've won an event that had all 3 of them present? Not many. He will be by far the best player to miss out on EWC if he does and it happening in this way is just a shame. I think this final qualifier should have been a round robin if it was going to be limited to 8 players. That would be much more fair and prevent a single bad series from putting you in a terrible spot. But it is not a "single bad series". This is the Last Chance qualifier. Which means GuMiho already wasted all his other chances. Just for you, the recap of all the chances GuMiho missed: 1)He was at the last EWC and got beaten by Astrea and Oliveira. 2)He lost to herO and Classic in GSL respectively (admittingly the worst losses, considering he both times lost to the eventual winner) 3)He lost vs. Cure and Ryung in the Korean qualifier (getting smacked 0-3 against Cure btw) 4)He did not even try to qualify for Bellum Gens Elite, missing out the qualifying spots there completly. 5)He did lose to Solar and trigger (0-2 btw) at DH Dallas. 6)He lost 3-1 vs. goblin now, who was probably the easiest player to beat next to Lemon in the first round. Now he has to beat Astrea and Ryung This is GuMihos sixth chance to qualify. So maybe, just maybe, if you can't hack it over such a long period of time, it might not be anti-koreanism? Not to mention that I fail to see how Koreans have it "the hardest" with two extra spots, but hey... Counting the two GSL spots as extra spots for Korea while simultaneously giving Gumiho grief for not playing in Bellum Gens is hypocritical. EU players were just as free to play in GSL as Koreans were to play in Bellum Gens. They didn't bother because aside from the top EU players who were already qualified they knew they'd have 0 chance. Reynor did play in S1 and could have stolen that slot. Hell looking at the brackets and the way tiebreakers were done GSL s2 could have been a very good chance for a lot of them. While it ended up being a finalist there was a very high chance before the event that simply getting top 6 would have qualified them and they still didn't attempt it. And the only reason KR even ended up with 10 slots is because they swept Dallas which no one expected. KR having 10 slots was clearly not the organizers plan.
Even with a truncated format, it’s absolutely not the same level of commitment to go for a GSL season than a weekender like Bellum Gens.
Even aside from that, people skipped it before knowing it would serve as a potential EWC pathway. As per my previous point.
I think it’s a bloody flawed qualification process (see previous, and indeed any post I’ve ever made on the topic), but I’m not seeing how it particularly disadvantages Korean players specifically.
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On June 23 2025 00:36 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2025 21:00 Balnazza wrote:On June 22 2025 14:08 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote:On June 22 2025 10:43 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote:
Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always. Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified. He literally won a tournament that had Clem/Serral/Maru present only 6 months ago. Granted it wasn't the most important or serious tournament but it was offline with $10k prize pool. Even counting small online stuff how many players can say they've won an event that had all 3 of them present? Not many. He will be by far the best player to miss out on EWC if he does and it happening in this way is just a shame. I think this final qualifier should have been a round robin if it was going to be limited to 8 players. That would be much more fair and prevent a single bad series from putting you in a terrible spot. But it is not a "single bad series". This is the Last Chance qualifier. Which means GuMiho already wasted all his other chances. Just for you, the recap of all the chances GuMiho missed: 1)He was at the last EWC and got beaten by Astrea and Oliveira. 2)He lost to herO and Classic in GSL respectively (admittingly the worst losses, considering he both times lost to the eventual winner) 3)He lost vs. Cure and Ryung in the Korean qualifier (getting smacked 0-3 against Cure btw) 4)He did not even try to qualify for Bellum Gens Elite, missing out the qualifying spots there completly. 5)He did lose to Solar and trigger (0-2 btw) at DH Dallas. 6)He lost 3-1 vs. goblin now, who was probably the easiest player to beat next to Lemon in the first round. Now he has to beat Astrea and Ryung This is GuMihos sixth chance to qualify. So maybe, just maybe, if you can't hack it over such a long period of time, it might not be anti-koreanism? Not to mention that I fail to see how Koreans have it "the hardest" with two extra spots, but hey... And the only reason KR even ended up with 10 slots is because they swept Dallas which no one expected. KR having 10 slots was clearly not the organizers plan.
What is this supposed to mean? Dallas was literally an open-bracket tournament in which anyone could participate. There was no region-specific ruling at all.
It is just not true that Koreans were disadvantaged in the qualifying process. They could and did participate in Dallas; they could and did participate in BGE Stara Zagora; they got not one but two qualifying tournaments (GSL) on their own home ground; they got their own separate regional qualifier, like every other region; and at last they could and did participate in the final global qualifier that we are watching right now.
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I get that Gumiho and Astrea aren't playing very well in their bo5, and that there is currently a heat wave while the casters are a bit hangover, but the negativity on the French stream is unsufferable wow.
Gumiho is truly lost in TvP, it is painful to see
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Gumiho would have won that game had he pulled SCV instead of dropping a 3rd CC. I am surprised as aggressive as him didnt choose to do so, Maru would have pulled them immediately.
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On June 23 2025 01:11 Antithesis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 00:36 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 21:00 Balnazza wrote:On June 22 2025 14:08 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote:On June 22 2025 10:43 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote:
Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always. Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified. He literally won a tournament that had Clem/Serral/Maru present only 6 months ago. Granted it wasn't the most important or serious tournament but it was offline with $10k prize pool. Even counting small online stuff how many players can say they've won an event that had all 3 of them present? Not many. He will be by far the best player to miss out on EWC if he does and it happening in this way is just a shame. I think this final qualifier should have been a round robin if it was going to be limited to 8 players. That would be much more fair and prevent a single bad series from putting you in a terrible spot. But it is not a "single bad series". This is the Last Chance qualifier. Which means GuMiho already wasted all his other chances. Just for you, the recap of all the chances GuMiho missed: 1)He was at the last EWC and got beaten by Astrea and Oliveira. 2)He lost to herO and Classic in GSL respectively (admittingly the worst losses, considering he both times lost to the eventual winner) 3)He lost vs. Cure and Ryung in the Korean qualifier (getting smacked 0-3 against Cure btw) 4)He did not even try to qualify for Bellum Gens Elite, missing out the qualifying spots there completly. 5)He did lose to Solar and trigger (0-2 btw) at DH Dallas. 6)He lost 3-1 vs. goblin now, who was probably the easiest player to beat next to Lemon in the first round. Now he has to beat Astrea and Ryung This is GuMihos sixth chance to qualify. So maybe, just maybe, if you can't hack it over such a long period of time, it might not be anti-koreanism? Not to mention that I fail to see how Koreans have it "the hardest" with two extra spots, but hey... And the only reason KR even ended up with 10 slots is because they swept Dallas which no one expected. KR having 10 slots was clearly not the organizers plan. What is this supposed to mean? Dallas was literally an open-bracket tournament in which anyone could participate. There was no region-specific ruling at all. It is just not true that Koreans were disadvantaged in the qualifying process. They could and did participate in Dallas; they could and did participate in BGE Stara Zagora; they got not one but two qualifying tournaments (GSL) on their own home ground; they got their own separate regional qualifier, like every other region; and at last they could and did participate in the final global qualifier that we are watching right now.
They have the deepest line up and were given only equal guaranteed slots to EU.
There was a very high chance the way the qualifiers were setup that they would only end up with 7-8 slots. If Serral/Reynor took two Dallas slots (which was expected) then EU would basically have an equal player count. Using aligulac (which if anything underrates Korea) they currently make up 12 out of the top 18 and had pretty much zero chance of taking that many slots with the qualifier setup.
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Quick 3rd Nexus and no battery on any base, no Robo, Astrea took too many unnecessary risk.
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Nice game5, Astrea just wore Gumiho down
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Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
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On June 23 2025 01:24 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 01:11 Antithesis wrote:On June 23 2025 00:36 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 21:00 Balnazza wrote:On June 22 2025 14:08 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote:On June 22 2025 10:43 JJH777 wrote:On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote:
Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there.
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always. Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified. He literally won a tournament that had Clem/Serral/Maru present only 6 months ago. Granted it wasn't the most important or serious tournament but it was offline with $10k prize pool. Even counting small online stuff how many players can say they've won an event that had all 3 of them present? Not many. He will be by far the best player to miss out on EWC if he does and it happening in this way is just a shame. I think this final qualifier should have been a round robin if it was going to be limited to 8 players. That would be much more fair and prevent a single bad series from putting you in a terrible spot. But it is not a "single bad series". This is the Last Chance qualifier. Which means GuMiho already wasted all his other chances. Just for you, the recap of all the chances GuMiho missed: 1)He was at the last EWC and got beaten by Astrea and Oliveira. 2)He lost to herO and Classic in GSL respectively (admittingly the worst losses, considering he both times lost to the eventual winner) 3)He lost vs. Cure and Ryung in the Korean qualifier (getting smacked 0-3 against Cure btw) 4)He did not even try to qualify for Bellum Gens Elite, missing out the qualifying spots there completly. 5)He did lose to Solar and trigger (0-2 btw) at DH Dallas. 6)He lost 3-1 vs. goblin now, who was probably the easiest player to beat next to Lemon in the first round. Now he has to beat Astrea and Ryung This is GuMihos sixth chance to qualify. So maybe, just maybe, if you can't hack it over such a long period of time, it might not be anti-koreanism? Not to mention that I fail to see how Koreans have it "the hardest" with two extra spots, but hey... And the only reason KR even ended up with 10 slots is because they swept Dallas which no one expected. KR having 10 slots was clearly not the organizers plan. What is this supposed to mean? Dallas was literally an open-bracket tournament in which anyone could participate. There was no region-specific ruling at all. It is just not true that Koreans were disadvantaged in the qualifying process. They could and did participate in Dallas; they could and did participate in BGE Stara Zagora; they got not one but two qualifying tournaments (GSL) on their own home ground; they got their own separate regional qualifier, like every other region; and at last they could and did participate in the final global qualifier that we are watching right now. They have the deepest line up and were given only equal guaranteed slots to EU. There was a very high chance the way the qualifiers were setup that they would only end up with 7-8 slots. If Serral/Reynor took two Dallas slots (which was expected) then EU would basically have an equal player count. Using aligulac (which if anything underrates Korea) they currently make up 12 out of the top 18 and had pretty much zero chance of taking that many slots with the qualifier setup.
The only "guaranteed" slots are the main qualifier slots, which means 2. Considering that the korean scene barely consists of ~15 noteworthy players, that is already generous. BGE and GSL are clearly not the same commitment, but even if you are ludicrous enough to think so: If Korea is so far ahead as you proclaim, they should easily win all of the global qualifier spots like they did in the past. Instead GuMiho crashes out against Goblin and Astrea...whoops...
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By the way, speaking of regional representation, I just realized Germany is the country with the second-highest number of representatives at EWC after Korea.
+ Show Spoiler +The number being two, ShowTime and Lambo. + Show Spoiler +And that's not even counting HeroMarine, who's currently also playing for qualification.
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I do think Gumiho illustrates the importance of some sort of point system for qualification though, 1 HSC win in the off-season and 2 GSL ro4s does put Gumiho as one of the best players in the world, even if he is inconsistent. If EWC happens next year hopefully there's some semblance of a circuit, even if it doesn't have that many tournaments.
In terms of number of spots for each region, it's fine. I can see an argument for a few more spots for KR, but I don't think the current allocation is ridiculous.
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On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves!
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On June 23 2025 02:29 SHODAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves!
Whatever helps you cope kiddo
Better luck to gumiho next year
Also what you just described was what lemon tried to do and he got streamrolled by both Byun and heromarine
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On June 23 2025 02:32 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:29 SHODAN wrote:On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves! Whatever helps you cope kiddo Better luck to gumiho next year Also what you just described was what lemon tried to do and he got streamrolled by both Byun and heromarine
I mean the gap between Lemon and both of these terrans is so large that it would take a really poor balance to even be a competitive match
Poor HeroMarine though, this matchup seems like hell atm
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On June 23 2025 02:32 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:29 SHODAN wrote:On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves! Whatever helps you cope kiddo Better luck to gumiho next year Also what you just described was what lemon tried to do and he got streamrolled by both Byun and heromarine
who? who? who? who? who?
I never even heard of Lemon before this tournament. everyone knows who Byun is for about 15 years
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On June 23 2025 02:32 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:29 SHODAN wrote:On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves! Whatever helps you cope kiddo Better luck to gumiho next year Also what you just described was what lemon tried to do and he got streamrolled by both Byun and heromarine
Lemon never made Storm, didnt try to go consistent splash damage, his upgrade was also not ahead. Basically his game was trying survive the first 6 minutes and then die slowly. The gap between Lancer/Firefly and the rest of CN/Asian player is pretty huge based on what I have seen.
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On June 23 2025 02:25 dysenterymd wrote:
I do think Gumiho illustrates the importance of some sort of point system for qualification though, 1 HSC win in the off-season and 2 GSL ro4s does put Gumiho as one of the best players in the world, even if he is inconsistent. If EWC happens next year hopefully there's some semblance of a circuit, even if it doesn't have that many tournaments.
In terms of number of spots for each region, it's fine. I can see an argument for a few more spots for KR, but I don't think the current allocation is ridiculous.
While I get the appeal, just a quick reminder: HSC was a 24-player tournament that gave out 22(!) of its slots via invite. And the invites were clearly not skill-based, considering that one of the two qualifier-spots went to Clem (who I guess just didn't accept the invite before?).
So even if their was a circuit beforehand, HSC in that form would not have given out any points or direct invite. I think from its 26 seasons so far, maybe 2-3 at best gave out WCS/EPT points, because HSC has always been so extremly invite-heavy.
If HSC would have been an "earnest" 24-player tournament that gave out a direct invite to EWC or atleast some hefty points...I honestly would open the discussion to the question if GuMiho would have been able to qualify for it.
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On June 23 2025 02:25 dysenterymd wrote:
I do think Gumiho illustrates the importance of some sort of point system for qualification though, 1 HSC win in the off-season and 2 GSL ro4s does put Gumiho as one of the best players in the world, even if he is inconsistent. If EWC happens next year hopefully there's some semblance of a circuit, even if it doesn't have that many tournaments.
In terms of number of spots for each region, it's fine. I can see an argument for a few more spots for KR, but I don't think the current allocation is ridiculous.
That would require EWC to give a shit though. And think about this in advance, and confirm SC2 with a decent amount of notice.
On June 23 2025 02:29 SHODAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves!
I mean this works both ways, Gumigod is one of the more prolific cyclone users in the other matchups and that’s not even meant to be as strong as it is currently.
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On June 23 2025 02:59 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:25 dysenterymd wrote:
I do think Gumiho illustrates the importance of some sort of point system for qualification though, 1 HSC win in the off-season and 2 GSL ro4s does put Gumiho as one of the best players in the world, even if he is inconsistent. If EWC happens next year hopefully there's some semblance of a circuit, even if it doesn't have that many tournaments.
In terms of number of spots for each region, it's fine. I can see an argument for a few more spots for KR, but I don't think the current allocation is ridiculous. That would require EWC to give a shit though. And think about this in advance, and confirm SC2 with a decent amount of notice. Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:29 SHODAN wrote:On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves! I mean this works both ways, Gumigod is one of the more prolific cyclone users in the other matchups and that’s not even meant to be as strong as it is currently.
ah yes. the 5.0.11 cyclone. a unit so unbelievably powerful that you might occasionally see exactly 1 of them made in early-game TvT
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Most EU Protoss treat Storm like non-existence or as a late game 3rd option of splash is costing them games like this.
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HeroMarine with the comeback, if it was a bo5 it would have been a reverse sweep. goblin can't feel too good about that, and he is kind of a newer player so can he calm his nerves and claw back?
I am rooting for HeroMarine but having a "new" player break into the top would be nice, especially a protoss that dares to participate in offline events 
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Did not expect to see so many PvTs today.
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Astrea might win the award of the most boring games in the qualifier?
Dude was ahead from the get go and decided not to ever try to kill Ryung
lmao
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Astrea pvt is such a beauty.
Having HT everywhere to reinforce/ support storm is a thing of beauty
Absolute masterclass slowly picking the terrans part today.
EU toss need to take notice and learn from Astrea, and not rely on garbage disruptor
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On June 23 2025 02:29 SHODAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 02:10 TeamMamba wrote:
Now we can put gumiho deserve a spot yo EWC to rest.
He was simply not good enough. Same with all the other Koreans who didn’t made it
All the Koreans that should be in EWC has already qualified.
Gumi got robbed by the patchtoss imba. make zealot, a-move, storm your own units over and over again. no problem! toss can simultaneously mass expand and defend harass effortlessly with shield batteries while playing with disposable, easy-to-use armies. meanwhile, terran has to take massive risks and break their wrists just for the privilege of playing to lategame. the game is in this sorry condition so that the balance council clowns can feel good about themselves!
Death. Taxes. People complaining whenever Protoss wins a game.
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The way Astrea slow-play thing even when hes securely ahead is tilting if I were his opponent, damn. I am watching him playing against Clem in Wardi tournament and there was no reason for dragging it. To be fair Clem also disconnect or something.
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On June 23 2025 23:10 tigera6 wrote:
The way Astrea slow-play thing even when hes securely ahead is tilting if I were his opponent, damn. I am watching him playing against Clem in Wardi tournament and there was no reason for dragging it. To be fair Clem also disconnect or something.
I think it was a fantastic way to play especially against gumiho is game 1. Slowly picked gumiho apart, once gumiho lost his 6k/3k bank. He just tried to A move his Thor army as a last resort
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On June 24 2025 02:38 TeamMamba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2025 23:10 tigera6 wrote:
The way Astrea slow-play thing even when hes securely ahead is tilting if I were his opponent, damn. I am watching him playing against Clem in Wardi tournament and there was no reason for dragging it. To be fair Clem also disconnect or something. I think it was a fantastic way to play especially against gumiho is game 1. Slowly picked gumiho apart, once gumiho lost his 6k/3k bank. He just tried to A move his Thor army as a last resort
Against Gumiho it was valid, but the game vs Ryung where Astrea had like 20k/10k in bank and just wouldn't try to end the game was imo bad manner even for the viewers.
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On June 24 2025 18:19 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2025 02:38 TeamMamba wrote:On June 23 2025 23:10 tigera6 wrote:
The way Astrea slow-play thing even when hes securely ahead is tilting if I were his opponent, damn. I am watching him playing against Clem in Wardi tournament and there was no reason for dragging it. To be fair Clem also disconnect or something. I think it was a fantastic way to play especially against gumiho is game 1. Slowly picked gumiho apart, once gumiho lost his 6k/3k bank. He just tried to A move his Thor army as a last resort Against Gumiho it was valid, but the game vs Ryung where Astrea had like 20k/10k in bank and just wouldn't try to end the game was imo bad manner even for the viewers.
Attacking is the easiest and most consistent way of throwing when playing Protoss.
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On June 24 2025 19:03 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2025 18:19 Poopi wrote:On June 24 2025 02:38 TeamMamba wrote:On June 23 2025 23:10 tigera6 wrote:
The way Astrea slow-play thing even when hes securely ahead is tilting if I were his opponent, damn. I am watching him playing against Clem in Wardi tournament and there was no reason for dragging it. To be fair Clem also disconnect or something. I think it was a fantastic way to play especially against gumiho is game 1. Slowly picked gumiho apart, once gumiho lost his 6k/3k bank. He just tried to A move his Thor army as a last resort Against Gumiho it was valid, but the game vs Ryung where Astrea had like 20k/10k in bank and just wouldn't try to end the game was imo bad manner even for the viewers. Attacking is the easiest and most consistent way of throwing when playing Protoss.
I guess dragging a game for as long as possible when the opponent is playing at 4am+ is a winning strategy regardless of race. He could have ended the game safely very early on but it looked like he had no intention of doing so
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On June 24 2025 20:38 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2025 19:03 MJG wrote:On June 24 2025 18:19 Poopi wrote:On June 24 2025 02:38 TeamMamba wrote:On June 23 2025 23:10 tigera6 wrote:
The way Astrea slow-play thing even when hes securely ahead is tilting if I were his opponent, damn. I am watching him playing against Clem in Wardi tournament and there was no reason for dragging it. To be fair Clem also disconnect or something. I think it was a fantastic way to play especially against gumiho is game 1. Slowly picked gumiho apart, once gumiho lost his 6k/3k bank. He just tried to A move his Thor army as a last resort Against Gumiho it was valid, but the game vs Ryung where Astrea had like 20k/10k in bank and just wouldn't try to end the game was imo bad manner even for the viewers. Attacking is the easiest and most consistent way of throwing when playing Protoss. I guess dragging a game for as long as possible when the opponent is playing at 4am+ is a winning strategy regardless of race. He could have ended the game safely very early on but it looked like he had no intention of doing so
This will probably be an unpopular take, buuut: If the game was that over, Gumiho could have just attacked himself and left if the time was a concern of his. It isn't particular uncommon that players sometimes leave a game a bit prematurely, just to conserve energy and motivation for the rest of the series.
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On June 24 2025 21:33 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2025 20:38 Poopi wrote:On June 24 2025 19:03 MJG wrote:On June 24 2025 18:19 Poopi wrote:On June 24 2025 02:38 TeamMamba wrote:On June 23 2025 23:10 tigera6 wrote:
The way Astrea slow-play thing even when hes securely ahead is tilting if I were his opponent, damn. I am watching him playing against Clem in Wardi tournament and there was no reason for dragging it. To be fair Clem also disconnect or something. I think it was a fantastic way to play especially against gumiho is game 1. Slowly picked gumiho apart, once gumiho lost his 6k/3k bank. He just tried to A move his Thor army as a last resort Against Gumiho it was valid, but the game vs Ryung where Astrea had like 20k/10k in bank and just wouldn't try to end the game was imo bad manner even for the viewers. Attacking is the easiest and most consistent way of throwing when playing Protoss. I guess dragging a game for as long as possible when the opponent is playing at 4am+ is a winning strategy regardless of race. He could have ended the game safely very early on but it looked like he had no intention of doing so This will probably be an unpopular take, buuut: If the game was that over, Gumiho could have just attacked himself and left if the time was a concern of his. It isn't particular uncommon that players sometimes leave a game a bit prematurely, just to conserve energy and motivation for the rest of the series.
I was talking about the game versus Ryung on Ley Lines
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On June 24 2025 20:38 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2025 19:03 MJG wrote:On June 24 2025 18:19 Poopi wrote:On June 24 2025 02:38 TeamMamba wrote:On June 23 2025 23:10 tigera6 wrote:
The way Astrea slow-play thing even when hes securely ahead is tilting if I were his opponent, damn. I am watching him playing against Clem in Wardi tournament and there was no reason for dragging it. To be fair Clem also disconnect or something. I think it was a fantastic way to play especially against gumiho is game 1. Slowly picked gumiho apart, once gumiho lost his 6k/3k bank. He just tried to A move his Thor army as a last resort Against Gumiho it was valid, but the game vs Ryung where Astrea had like 20k/10k in bank and just wouldn't try to end the game was imo bad manner even for the viewers. Attacking is the easiest and most consistent way of throwing when playing Protoss. I guess dragging a game for as long as possible when the opponent is playing at 4am+ is a winning strategy regardless of race. He could have ended the game safely very early on but it looked like he had no intention of doing so
I could make the argument for the other side as well
If you know the game is over, you should leave instead. Just like most people hated the “fantasy gg timing”. Dragging the game when he already lost long time ago.
At the end, both players are entitled to play the game how they want and end on their terms
4am + is not an excuse. Gumiho and ryung just ain’t good enough to qualify. These are pros and they know how to adjust their time schedule. Scarlett already mentioned this is a post on TL couple years ago.
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