EPTEWC 2025 Online Qualifiers (May 28-June 1, June 21-22) - P…
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1149 Posts
On June 22 2025 04:23 JJH777 wrote: Wow Gumiho losing to Goblin is crazy. He now has a very hard path through Astrea and Ryung to qualify. Him missing EWC after winning HSC in December and getting top 4 in both GSLs this year would be so unfortunate. you're right. GuMiho's run in EWC has been nothing short of crazy. he barely scraped his way into the global qualifier after a nail-biting reverse sweep over Creator in the KR qualifier tie-break match. he deserves to qualify. his vT and vZ are some of the best in the world right now. he just can't beat toss  if he makes it past Astrea, I'm fairly confident he can clinch it over Ryung | ||
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Gescom
Canada3509 Posts
Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! | ||
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nicolascarter065
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On June 22 2025 06:20 Gescom wrote: Sometimes you have a bad day. But if he loses twice at this stage of the pre competition then he simply doesn't deserve to be there. Congrats to Byun and Lambo for making it today! That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always. | ||
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TeamMamba
192 Posts
On June 22 2025 10:43 JJH777 wrote: That's really silly. What he's done this year is way harder than what a lot of the players at EWC will have done to get there. It's simply harder for Koreans to qualify as always. Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified. | ||
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tigera6
3465 Posts
On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote: Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified. Actually Cure played Astrea in one of the online cup and he got wiped by storm after storm and die. PvT is just in a very good place for Protoss in general unless its Clem or Maru. | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1149 Posts
On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote: Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified. GuMiho is one of the biggest Korean big dogs. he is incredibly dangerous in the other 2 match-ups and consistently beats the likes of Maru, Cure, Solar and Reynor. it is not unusual to see him stomp those big names in a very one-sided fashion. I'd probably rank his other 2 match-ups top 3 in the world, or at least on equal footing with Cure / Byun it is kinda weird for a player his caliber to be knocked out of the biggest tournament of the year by some euro patchtoss like goblin and Shameless | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On June 22 2025 12:24 TeamMamba wrote: Nah gumiho has no business in EWC if he couldn’t even beat goblin. Beating astrea and ryung to qualify shouldn’t be that hard either. I would say that all the qualify players in EWC (except lancer) easily beats astrea and ryung and goblin So please enlighten us why gumiho “deserve” to qualify. It’s not harder for Koreans to qualify, it’s the leftover Koreans are not good enough to qualify. All the Korean big dogs has already qualified. He literally won a tournament that had Clem/Serral/Maru present only 6 months ago. Granted it wasn't the most important or serious tournament but it was offline with $10k prize pool. Even counting small online stuff how many players can say they've won an event that had all 3 of them present? Not many. He will be by far the best player to miss out on EWC if he does and it happening in this way is just a shame. I think this final qualifier should have been a round robin if it was going to be limited to 8 players. That would be much more fair and prevent a single bad series from putting you in a terrible spot. | ||
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Azhrak
Finland1198 Posts
On June 22 2025 14:08 JJH777 wrote: I think this final qualifier should have been a round robin if it was going to be limited to 8 players. That would be much more fair and prevent a single bad series from putting you in a terrible spot. I think double elimination bo5 is fair enough when half of the players are getting through. It is essentially the GSL format for eight. Two losses in any reasonable format would mean elimination or near it. The talk about long-winding formats only raises if a fan-favorite is on the ropes. If this was round robin, there would be 28 matches which is only 5 less than the EWC main event itself -- and just to find out which 4 of these 8 deserve the last spots. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1262 Posts
On June 22 2025 14:08 JJH777 wrote: He literally won a tournament that had Clem/Serral/Maru present only 6 months ago. Granted it wasn't the most important or serious tournament but it was offline with $10k prize pool. Even counting small online stuff how many players can say they've won an event that had all 3 of them present? Not many. He will be by far the best player to miss out on EWC if he does and it happening in this way is just a shame. I think this final qualifier should have been a round robin if it was going to be limited to 8 players. That would be much more fair and prevent a single bad series from putting you in a terrible spot. But it is not a "single bad series". This is the Last Chance qualifier. Which means GuMiho already wasted all his other chances. Just for you, the recap of all the chances GuMiho missed: 1)He was at the last EWC and got beaten by Astrea and Oliveira. 2)He lost to herO and Classic in GSL respectively (admittingly the worst losses, considering he both times lost to the eventual winner) 3)He lost vs. Cure and Ryung in the Korean qualifier (getting smacked 0-3 against Cure btw) 4)He did not even try to qualify for Bellum Gens Elite, missing out the qualifying spots there completly. 5)He did lose to Solar and trigger (0-2 btw) at DH Dallas. 6)He lost 3-1 vs. goblin now, who was probably the easiest player to beat next to Lemon in the first round. Now he has to beat Astrea and Ryung This is GuMihos sixth chance to qualify. So maybe, just maybe, if you can't hack it over such a long period of time, it might not be anti-koreanism? Not to mention that I fail to see how Koreans have it "the hardest" with two extra spots, but hey... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
But it’s been clear for ages that there isn’t a points/consistent performance element to how you qualify, so you have to take one of your shots. If EWC wouldn’t faff around for fucking months, that would also help. It’s a big cause of problems. In terms of accomplishment and a tough field, I’d have no real issue with Gumigod getting a seed from his HSC win. The problem then becomes the same as Stara Zagora. It’s also not fair on players who skipped those tournaments based on prize pool and other factors, only to find out an EWC ticket is on the line, and they may have not skipped. You also have the problem where x player qualifies later in the season for being the highest placed player who hasn’t yet qualified, which worse actual placings than players who achieve results earlier in the cycle. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3509 Posts
And yet he lost to Solar at DH Dallas, where Solar qualified. And then Cure and Ryung in the KR qualifier where Cure qualified. 10/18 qualified players are from KR. Completely grasping at straws... Kind moot anyhow. Play today, win today. If you lose 7 different BoX series then so sorry, better luck next time. There will always be good players who don't make it to the global championship. | ||
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tigera6
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tigera6
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On June 22 2025 21:00 Balnazza wrote: But it is not a "single bad series". This is the Last Chance qualifier. Which means GuMiho already wasted all his other chances. Just for you, the recap of all the chances GuMiho missed: 1)He was at the last EWC and got beaten by Astrea and Oliveira. 2)He lost to herO and Classic in GSL respectively (admittingly the worst losses, considering he both times lost to the eventual winner) 3)He lost vs. Cure and Ryung in the Korean qualifier (getting smacked 0-3 against Cure btw) 4)He did not even try to qualify for Bellum Gens Elite, missing out the qualifying spots there completly. 5)He did lose to Solar and trigger (0-2 btw) at DH Dallas. 6)He lost 3-1 vs. goblin now, who was probably the easiest player to beat next to Lemon in the first round. Now he has to beat Astrea and Ryung This is GuMihos sixth chance to qualify. So maybe, just maybe, if you can't hack it over such a long period of time, it might not be anti-koreanism? Not to mention that I fail to see how Koreans have it "the hardest" with two extra spots, but hey... Counting the two GSL spots as extra spots for Korea while simultaneously giving Gumiho grief for not playing in Bellum Gens is hypocritical. EU players were just as free to play in GSL as Koreans were to play in Bellum Gens. They didn't bother because aside from the top EU players who were already qualified they knew they'd have 0 chance. Reynor did play in S1 and could have stolen that slot. Hell looking at the brackets and the way tiebreakers were done GSL s2 could have been a very good chance for a lot of them. While it ended up being a finalist there was a very high chance before the event that simply getting top 6 would have qualified them and they still didn't attempt it. And the only reason KR even ended up with 10 slots is because they swept Dallas which no one expected. KR having 10 slots was clearly not the organizers plan. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On June 23 2025 00:36 JJH777 wrote: Counting the two GSL spots as extra spots for Korea while simultaneously giving Gumiho grief for not playing in Bellum Gens is hypocritical. EU players were just as free to play in GSL as Koreans were to play in Bellum Gens. They didn't bother because aside from the top EU players who were already qualified they knew they'd have 0 chance. Reynor did play in S1 and could have stolen that slot. Hell looking at the brackets and the way tiebreakers were done GSL s2 could have been a very good chance for a lot of them. While it ended up being a finalist there was a very high chance before the event that simply getting top 6 would have qualified them and they still didn't attempt it. And the only reason KR even ended up with 10 slots is because they swept Dallas which no one expected. KR having 10 slots was clearly not the organizers plan. Even with a truncated format, it’s absolutely not the same level of commitment to go for a GSL season than a weekender like Bellum Gens. Even aside from that, people skipped it before knowing it would serve as a potential EWC pathway. As per my previous point. I think it’s a bloody flawed qualification process (see previous, and indeed any post I’ve ever made on the topic), but I’m not seeing how it particularly disadvantages Korean players specifically. | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1230 Posts
On June 23 2025 00:36 JJH777 wrote: And the only reason KR even ended up with 10 slots is because they swept Dallas which no one expected. KR having 10 slots was clearly not the organizers plan. What is this supposed to mean? Dallas was literally an open-bracket tournament in which anyone could participate. There was no region-specific ruling at all. It is just not true that Koreans were disadvantaged in the qualifying process. They could and did participate in Dallas; they could and did participate in BGE Stara Zagora; they got not one but two qualifying tournaments (GSL) on their own home ground; they got their own separate regional qualifier, like every other region; and at last they could and did participate in the final global qualifier that we are watching right now. | ||
Poopi
France12909 Posts
Gumiho is truly lost in TvP, it is painful to see | ||
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tigera6
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