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United States33712 Posts
On January 05 2025 23:20 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2025 23:17 Nebuchad wrote:
Doesn't sit right with me I guess. It reads like Oliveira got mad that he didn't get to TvT Clem and so he sacrificed himself to make the group stupid. Clem should Just have won his pvt vs Spirit, maybe Oli felt a better Chance vs zoun in PvP (and tbf He went 1:2).
Yah, he used to really dominate Spirit in TvT. I wonder if he reconsiders the off-racing after this?
Winning in smaller cups is one thing, but he's now been eliminated on PvT in his last two big events (HSC and Masters Coliseum). In effect, that makes it just like his old TvT in terms of being a weakness in big tournaments, despite good online cup numbers.
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Northern Ireland27473 Posts
On January 06 2025 01:17 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2025 23:20 darklycid wrote:On January 05 2025 23:17 Nebuchad wrote:
Doesn't sit right with me I guess. It reads like Oliveira got mad that he didn't get to TvT Clem and so he sacrificed himself to make the group stupid. Clem should Just have won his pvt vs Spirit, maybe Oli felt a better Chance vs zoun in PvP (and tbf He went 1:2). Yah, he used to really dominate Spirit in TvT. I wonder if he reconsiders the off-racing after this? Winning in smaller cups is one thing, but he's now been eliminated on PvT in his last two big events (HSC and Masters Coliseum). In effect, that makes it just like his old TvT in terms of being a weakness in big tournaments, despite good online cup numbers.
I think it makes sense to keep working on it while we’re largely in a period of relatively low stakes, low prize tournies
When/if big tournies return it’s another weapon in your locker, one I don’t think Clem would have been developing in a regular season.
Maybe not a weapon you pull out all the time, but if a player is notably bad at TvP it’s a nice option to have
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On January 06 2025 01:15 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2025 23:18 Glorfindelio wrote:
Well, feels a little like the Karmic Gods enacted their retribution... Retribution for legit off-racing? If Clem was pulling a fast one or dicking around perhaps the Lords of Karma might have reason to but he’s been straight-up playing PvT for like a month now. Fair play to Spirit! Clem’s taken out Koreans like Cure recently who I’d consider superior TvPers, so good result from him. Not to moan about any player in particular, I think GSL group format works much better than Round Robin if it’s a group of 4. Bigger groups RR can work well, but I think you’ve a dual problem of too few matches with single sets being too important in a tie break, as well as an eliminated player with nothing but pride to play for influencing who progresses
Oh don't mind me, I'm just a curmudgeonly purist who enjoys watching people power through and figure-out their worst match-ups (especially mirrors) versus trying to be cute about things. I think top pros off-racing in general is great entertainment, but I also don't think it'd be happening if the scene was super healthy. Alas.
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CLEM WHAT ARE YOU DOING
tbh this ro8 is not what i thought it'd be.
oh hwell
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Russian Federation400 Posts
If you don't try, you don't succeed. Failing to advance as protoss is fine, it just didn't work out.
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being eliminated while going 2-1 is also brutal
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
Clem really should have beaten Spirit - paid the price.
Apparently Oli is quitting which is probably why he is playing Toss and only all inning his games
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There should have been a 3 way tie-breaker round, honestly.. but anyways - GGs Spirit. Well done 
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GL HF next phase!
Just wanted to add that group play into double elim is by far the best format, btw.
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just saw clem didn't advance, a bit sad as I think he is Serral's best match. threw it away playing protoss :/
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United States33712 Posts
Serral such a massive favorite now. I think MaxPax and herO have like a 30% chance to beat him in a single BO5, but with double-elim, I just can't see lightning striking twice here.
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Northern Ireland27473 Posts
On January 07 2025 13:20 Waxangel wrote:
Serral such a massive favorite now. I think MaxPax and herO have like a 30% chance to beat him in a single BO5, but with double-elim, I just can't see lightning striking twice here.
Yeah I’d be incredibly shocked if he doesn’t take this tournament now
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On January 07 2025 20:44 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2025 13:20 Waxangel wrote:
Serral such a massive favorite now. I think MaxPax and herO have like a 30% chance to beat him in a single BO5, but with double-elim, I just can't see lightning striking twice here. Yeah I’d be incredibly shocked if he doesn’t take this tournament now
Prepare for the 'random' reynor win.
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On December 12 2024 23:56 Balnazza wrote:
There is a realistic, though not super-likely chance that Clem won't even make it out of the Group Stage ._.
Just mentioning: I fking called it!!!1
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On January 09 2025 07:23 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2024 23:56 Balnazza wrote:
There is a realistic, though not super-likely chance that Clem won't even make it out of the Group Stage ._. Just mentioning: I fking called it!!!1
Credit to you, but I doubt even you could not predict he would lose a freaking PvT as Protoss.
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On January 09 2025 12:46 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2025 07:23 Balnazza wrote:On December 12 2024 23:56 Balnazza wrote:
There is a realistic, though not super-likely chance that Clem won't even make it out of the Group Stage ._. Just mentioning: I fking called it!!!1 Credit to you, but I doubt even you could not predict he would lose a freaking PvT as Protoss.
Absolutely not. I am however mad that I didn't say "there is a good chance Clem and Maru might not make it", because I had a feeling about that, too...sounds hollow now ofc.
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On January 09 2025 07:23 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2024 23:56 Balnazza wrote:
There is a realistic, though not super-likely chance that Clem won't even make it out of the Group Stage ._. Just mentioning: I fking called it!!!1
Clem out? Serral wins. Calling it now! Though not really a risky call
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That fake Immortal bait was clutch! herO putting on clinic
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Nice beat down on the Koreans
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