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Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1797 Posts
February 10 2024 15:24 GMT
#641
herO pretty much got the best bracket he could have. There's still hope for protoss in this tournament
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-10 15:26:05
February 10 2024 15:24 GMT
#642
All 3 of Maru's Zerg punching bags are on the other side of the bracket. How exactly is this the easiest bracket for him?

On the other hand, Solar must be thrilled he finally gets to avoid him for an entire tournament for once.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3450 Posts
February 10 2024 15:26 GMT
#643
On February 11 2024 00:24 yezzir88 wrote:
What if SHIN won?

I give Shin a better shot against Serral than against Dark, somehow Dark always read Shin ZvZ very well. So no, he will unlikely to win.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 10 2024 15:27 GMT
#644
On February 11 2024 00:17 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 00:15 WombaT wrote:
On February 11 2024 00:06 darklycid wrote:
Sad for showtime pretty sure he'd have advanced from any other group.

Yeah it’s rough, plus feels wrong he finished 5th given what he showed


Showtime has to have the worst performance-to-result ratio of all time. Feels like it's always the same patern

Yeah he has the worst results for someone who almost always looks good that I can certainly recall.

Not a bad playoff bracket, although I am still mystified how the qualification seeds to Gamers 8 work in case of already qualifying players meeting the threshold here, or elswhere.

If Solar can’t take Clem out we’ve got a guarantee of an already qualified lad making top 4 here
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
February 10 2024 15:27 GMT
#645
On February 11 2024 00:26 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 00:24 yezzir88 wrote:
What if SHIN won?

I give Shin a better shot against Serral than against Dark, somehow Dark always read Shin ZvZ very well. So no, he will unlikely to win.


Ragnarok also knocked out Serral last year. It would be pretty funny if he did it again, but knowing Serral I think he's had an X marked on Ragnarok's head since then and has been craving to get back at him.
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
February 10 2024 15:28 GMT
#646
herO is the hardest opponent for Maru besides Serral imo and there's a high chance they face. Despite having a good winrate against him I'm also always scared when Maru plays Byun. They know each other very well which typically goes poorly for Maru.
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1200 Posts
February 10 2024 15:28 GMT
#647
On February 11 2024 00:24 Zzzapper wrote:
herO pretty much got the best bracket he could have. There's still hope for protoss in this tournament


I dont think so honestly. Depending on the placement of the bracket too. The best draw as first opponent would have been easily Solar for him. Cure is excellent in TvP and if he brings his a-game he isn't only mechanically great but also very dangerous cause he plays a wide variety of annoying stuff.

Actually for me

Solar > Dark > ByuN > Cure from "good for hero to bad for hero"

But the bigger issue I assume for you is the Ro8 opponent :D
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3517 Posts
February 10 2024 15:28 GMT
#648
On February 11 2024 00:27 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 00:17 Nakajin wrote:
On February 11 2024 00:15 WombaT wrote:
On February 11 2024 00:06 darklycid wrote:
Sad for showtime pretty sure he'd have advanced from any other group.

Yeah it’s rough, plus feels wrong he finished 5th given what he showed


Showtime has to have the worst performance-to-result ratio of all time. Feels like it's always the same patern

Yeah he has the worst results for someone who almost always looks good that I can certainly recall.

Not a bad playoff bracket, although I am still mystified how the qualification seeds to Gamers 8 work in case of already qualifying players meeting the threshold here, or elswhere.

If Solar can’t take Clem out we’ve got a guarantee of an already qualified lad making top 4 here

showtime also regulary gets fucked by hard groups and playoff paths i feel like.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-10 15:29:54
February 10 2024 15:29 GMT
#649
On February 11 2024 00:24 Zzzapper wrote:
herO pretty much got the best bracket he could have. There's still hope for protoss in this tournament


How is drawing the best TvP player in the world in the first round the best possible bracket? Do people really think herO is hopeless vs Zerg? Because every one of these Terrans in this side of the bracket has good TvP.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
February 10 2024 15:29 GMT
#650
On February 11 2024 00:24 Vindicare605 wrote:
All 3 of Maru's Zerg punching bags are on the other side of the bracket. How exactly is this the easiest bracket for him?

On the other hand, Solar must be thrilled he finally gets to avoid him for an entire tournament for once.

Yeah herO is a more difficult opponent for Maru than SHIN, Dark or Solar.
WriterMaru
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 10 2024 15:32 GMT
#651
On February 11 2024 00:20 Fyzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 00:15 WombaT wrote:
On February 11 2024 00:06 darklycid wrote:
Sad for showtime pretty sure he'd have advanced from any other group.

Yeah it’s rough, plus feels wrong he finished 5th given what he showed

He's 4th no? Map wins matters more than win percentage in Kato usually

I thought so too, they appear to have corrected it. Even on map differential then Showtime has one more set win to break the tie
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
youaremysin
Profile Joined August 2015
119 Posts
February 10 2024 15:32 GMT
#652
And his tvt is not the 90%+ winrate he once had. although it's still 75% since jan 03
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9267 Posts
February 10 2024 15:35 GMT
#653
On February 11 2024 00:29 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 00:24 Zzzapper wrote:
herO pretty much got the best bracket he could have. There's still hope for protoss in this tournament


How is drawing the best TvP player in the world in the first round the best possible bracket? Do people really think herO is hopeless vs Zerg? Because every one of these Terrans in this side of the bracket has good TvP.


Yeah I don't understand that either. He played poorly vs Serral in that one match but other than that his PvZ is looking fine. Now he has to beat at least 3 Terrans in a bo5 and potentially one more in a bo7 and he'll have to surprise all of them in a statistically Terran favored match up.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 10 2024 15:36 GMT
#654
On February 11 2024 00:24 Vindicare605 wrote:
All 3 of Maru's Zerg punching bags are on the other side of the bracket. How exactly is this the easiest bracket for him

Because Serral is on the other side lol

Maru only has to face one of Cure or herO (and thats if they beat HeroM) to make the finals. Dark, Clem, and Serral all represent as big or bigger opponents in my opinion
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1797 Posts
February 10 2024 15:36 GMT
#655
On February 11 2024 00:28 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 00:24 Zzzapper wrote:
herO pretty much got the best bracket he could have. There's still hope for protoss in this tournament


I dont think so honestly. Depending on the placement of the bracket too. The best draw as first opponent would have been easily Solar for him. Cure is excellent in TvP and if he brings his a-game he isn't only mechanically great but also very dangerous cause he plays a wide variety of annoying stuff.

Actually for me

Solar > Dark > ByuN > Cure from "good for hero to bad for hero"

But the bigger issue I assume for you is the Ro8 opponent :D

I agree that Solar might be a better match but I think Byun and Cure are about even. And he couldn't get Dark. I guess Ragnarok would be somewhat easier for the Ro8 as well, so maybe just average bracket luck in the end.

Maru instead of Serral as the most likely semis opponent is also nice if he manages to get that far
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1200 Posts
February 10 2024 15:37 GMT
#656
On February 11 2024 00:35 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 00:29 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2024 00:24 Zzzapper wrote:
herO pretty much got the best bracket he could have. There's still hope for protoss in this tournament


How is drawing the best TvP player in the world in the first round the best possible bracket? Do people really think herO is hopeless vs Zerg? Because every one of these Terrans in this side of the bracket has good TvP.


Yeah I don't understand that either. He played poorly vs Serral in that one match but other than that his PvZ is looking fine. Now he has to beat at least 3 Terrans in a bo5 and potentially one more in a bo7 and he'll have to surprise all of them in a statistically Terran favored match up.


Especially Cure - one of the best TvP players of all time. HeroMarine is easily the best TvP outside of Korea and has beaten herO before. He regularly plays against MaxPax and while it often doesn't go his way I do believe MaxPax is also better PvT than herO right now.

IMO this has to be "step by step" case for herO. Also each opponent will have incredibly different style of TvP
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-10 15:39:10
February 10 2024 15:38 GMT
#657
Yeah HeroMarines TvP is very strong.

herO would have to go Cure>HeroM>Maru to get to the finals. One of the hardest PvT gauntlet's you can get. He might even meet Clem in the final
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Nasigil
Profile Joined July 2023
137 Posts
February 10 2024 15:41 GMT
#658
Good thing herO is very solid in PvT recently. 3-0 Cure, 3-1 Byun and 3-1 Gumiho only recently. I can see him getting through Cure and give Maru a good fight.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
February 10 2024 15:42 GMT
#659
On February 11 2024 00:36 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 00:24 Vindicare605 wrote:
All 3 of Maru's Zerg punching bags are on the other side of the bracket. How exactly is this the easiest bracket for him

Because Serral is on the other side lol

Maru only has to face one of Cure or herO (and thats if they beat HeroM) to make the finals. Dark, Clem, and Serral all represent as big or bigger opponents in my opinion


Don't count out Gumiho, Gumiho knocked Maru out of two consecutive tournaments this year. He's got as good a chance as anyone of knocking him out except maybe Serral.

And as for Serral being on the opposite side of the bracket, that goes both ways.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16022 Posts
February 10 2024 15:43 GMT
#660
On February 11 2024 00:24 Nasigil wrote:
This is really setting up to be a Maru vs Serral Finals, if everything goes smoothly.

I'd be willing to bet quite a lot that won't happen. It never happens
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