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Are Koreans actually precluded from playing in WCS if they live there? Or is there a permanent residency/citizenship requirement in this iteration?
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On January 30 2024 22:58 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2024 21:24 Charoisaur wrote:On January 30 2024 20:23 Locutus_ wrote:On January 29 2024 22:12 Charoisaur wrote:On January 29 2024 20:49 LostUsername100 wrote:On January 29 2024 18:45 tigera6 wrote:On January 29 2024 05:26 Antithesis wrote:Congratulations, Serral. 3-0 vs. Solar, 3-0 vs. Maru, 4-0 vs. Reynor, and 5-1 vs. herO. Ridiculous run, as so often. On January 28 2024 23:23 tigera6 wrote:On January 28 2024 23:14 Locutus_ wrote:On January 28 2024 22:06 Argonauta wrote:
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I think people needs to understand that GOAT != current best player current best player for 6 years? Half the life of SCII? Thats current for you? Winning MC is great, but thats not making his GOAT case that more impressive, cause he has won so many of it already. Yes, it does, and it does so for this exact reason. For every other player, Maru included, sweeping the rest of the global top tier roster in so dominating a fashion would be their best result in a year or so, if not longer or ever. But for Serral, it is just one more clean tournament win among so many others. He is that much stronger than the rest of the field. If he THAT much stronger than the rest of the field, than he could just show it in the biggest stage in IEM and Gamers8, thats all I am asking. Beating a good online tournament in the fashion he did has its own merit surely, but for him or any other GOAT candidate, its almost like championship-or-bust at this stage of their career. I mean we celebrated Clem for winning his first offline international tournament, and deservingly so, but he still has a VERY long way to go if we ever talk about him even as a top 10 greatest player. Thats the mentality I have when talking about any all-time list, not present accomplishment or performance. Serral is the best/most consistent player in the world currently, but I still want him to win THE chip for it. Not even Serral is guaranteed to win every BoX, all it takes is for you to lose 1 BoX, usually Serral gets eliminated by a 3-2 loss, or 4-3, tournaments in SC2 aren't setup to find who the best player are, they are setup to generate hype and excitement, how fun would it be if every tournament held was a Swiss tournament and Serral won the great majority of them? Magnus Carlsen is the best chess player in the world uncontested for the past >10 years, but Chess does it in a way the defending champion has a much better chance at defending his title, there's one super prestigious tournament in Chess called the "Chess World Cup", it's ran very similar to how SC2 runs tournaments, Magnus Carlsen in over 10 years competing in it, has won that tournament **ONCE**. Serral's dominance is in fact much bigger than Carlsen's but tournaments are setup in such a way people can just look at whatever noise they like to come to whatever conclusion they want, Serral is the most dominant player in SC2's history, for the longest time, and the rest is just cope. A strong second is Maru, then you can talk about the rest all you want, but these 2 are uncontested. Serral in the last few years definitely is the most dominant player ever, however the circumstances also massively favor him. Due to his late arrival to the scene he was able to spend all his peak years during an era where most of the other Goat contenders are already declined or retired, and further he plays by far the best performing race at the pro level (4 out of the top 5 players since 2018 are Zerg). Due to this I think he's only a Goat contender and not the definitive Goat. And despite his dominance his record at the biggest events (Blizzcon, Katowice, Gamers8, WESG) is still worse than that of some other players (2 wins in 11 attempts since 2018), and he doesn't participate in the GSL Him not participating in GSL doesnt work against him. Juts doesnt work in favor. It's a region locked tournament for christ sake. You have to actually live in Korea. Like Reynor, Astrea, Special, Scarlett, etc.? So? Serral lives in Finland, likes to live in Finland and doesn't feel compelled to move to Korea for a few months to play in a tournament that has a lot of prestige, but not much monetary reward, even if you win it. Reynor doesn't seem to mind moving around as much for weeks/months on end. I don't think it's something you can hold against Serral. Probably could've in 2013 when Korea was the only region that mattered, also financially. But right now I'd bet Serral would *lose* money if he had to move to Korea to play a season of GSL even if he won it.
Yeah and who’s to say it wouldn’t impact his mental health and he doesn’t show his best play over there? Which kind of defeats the whole interest in him trying a Starleague to begin with.
I’d love to see it, but I don’t think it’s a reasonable expectation either. Just as, whatever the reasons I don’t feel MaxPax owes the fans anything in playing offline.
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On January 30 2024 23:14 WombaT wrote:
Are Koreans actually precluded from playing in WCS if they live there? Or is there a permanent residency/citizenship requirement in this iteration?
Per the rulebook:
"Participation in non-Global competitions in the “Rest of the World” (e.g. SC2 Masters Europe) is prohibited for
South Korean citizens that are not also citizens of another country nor have permanent residency in such country
(i.e. being legally qualified for permanent residency in such country and having lived in such country for at least
one year at the time of the first match of the competition).
If a player not fulfilling these requirements can clearly prove their permanent residency in an eligible country
otherwise, ESL may grant an exception. This will usually only happen in cases where the player has no other
chance to take part in competitions leading into the Masters Championship"
And it is still asymetric, foreigners can participate in GSL with no restraint (other than the obvious being on location while the tournament is happening).
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On January 31 2024 00:07 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2024 23:14 WombaT wrote:
Are Koreans actually precluded from playing in WCS if they live there? Or is there a permanent residency/citizenship requirement in this iteration? Per the rulebook: "Participation in non-Global competitions in the “Rest of the World” (e.g. SC2 Masters Europe) is prohibited for South Korean citizens that are not also citizens of another country nor have permanent residency in such country (i.e. being legally qualified for permanent residency in such country and having lived in such country for at least one year at the time of the first match of the competition). If a player not fulfilling these requirements can clearly prove their permanent residency in an eligible country otherwise, ESL may grant an exception. This will usually only happen in cases where the player has no other chance to take part in competitions leading into the Masters Championship" And it is still asymetric, foreigners can participate in GSL with no restraint (other than the obvious being on location while the tournament is happening).
This is the bit that is the most outrageous of all the region lock legislation.
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On January 31 2024 01:01 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2024 00:07 Durnuu wrote:On January 30 2024 23:14 WombaT wrote:
Are Koreans actually precluded from playing in WCS if they live there? Or is there a permanent residency/citizenship requirement in this iteration? Per the rulebook: "Participation in non-Global competitions in the “Rest of the World” (e.g. SC2 Masters Europe) is prohibited for South Korean citizens that are not also citizens of another country nor have permanent residency in such country (i.e. being legally qualified for permanent residency in such country and having lived in such country for at least one year at the time of the first match of the competition). If a player not fulfilling these requirements can clearly prove their permanent residency in an eligible country otherwise, ESL may grant an exception. This will usually only happen in cases where the player has no other chance to take part in competitions leading into the Masters Championship" And it is still asymetric, foreigners can participate in GSL with no restraint (other than the obvious being on location while the tournament is happening). This is the bit that is the most outrageous of all the region lock legislation.
It was perfectly fine IMO, region lock did what it was supposed to.
The problem was it was never relaxed
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Well, it is stated that ESL may grant an exception. Do we know of anyone who tried that? I mean if Maru was saying "I wanna live in the US for 3 month, can I play in NA tournaments?", I am pretty sure ESL would allow it
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On February 01 2024 18:43 Harris1st wrote:
Well, it is stated that ESL may grant an exception. Do we know of anyone who tried that? I mean if Maru was saying "I wanna live in the US for 3 month, can I play in NA tournaments?", I am pretty sure ESL would allow it
You're forgetting the fact that Apollo literally hates koreans
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On February 01 2024 19:01 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2024 18:43 Harris1st wrote:
Well, it is stated that ESL may grant an exception. Do we know of anyone who tried that? I mean if Maru was saying "I wanna live in the US for 3 month, can I play in NA tournaments?", I am pretty sure ESL would allow it You're forgetting the fact that Apollo literally hates koreans
Is there something in this meme haha? Been so long I can’t recall how It started
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On February 01 2024 21:34 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2024 19:01 Durnuu wrote:On February 01 2024 18:43 Harris1st wrote:
Well, it is stated that ESL may grant an exception. Do we know of anyone who tried that? I mean if Maru was saying "I wanna live in the US for 3 month, can I play in NA tournaments?", I am pretty sure ESL would allow it You're forgetting the fact that Apollo literally hates koreans Is there something in this meme haha? Been so long I can’t recall how It started
I think it started when Apollo said "the korean scene is healthy as fuck" in response to criticism that 2016 region lock is killing korean sc2
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