EPTOn January 08 2024 03:11 Waxangel wrote:
i meant "offline" which is a stupid term >:0
i meant "offline" which is a stupid term >:0
should say "on location"
[WTL 2023] Winter - Playoffs - Page 7
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darklycid
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should say "on location" | ||
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Durnuu
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VladSlymor
80 Posts
If only Cure got a bit more support when it mattered... Clem vs. aligulac top 10 in this run: 2-0 Serral 3-0 MaxPax 2-0 herO 2-0 Dark 2-0 Maru 2-2 ByuN 3-1 Reynor I'm speechless. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16044 Posts
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
Plus when I watch the games they lose, and proceed to win the ones I don’t watch Gg Maru, bit of a redemption Congrats to Clem for that monstrous playoff run, and Ryung for being so clutch for Onsyde | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Also, a big thanks to the Cranky Ducklings they've done a great job giving us coverage of each and every match all year. | ||
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Baamze
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ZeroByte13
784 Posts
Team leagues is just something else, something unique. Thank you for this! (maybe digmouse can convey this message to them?) | ||
Waxangel
United States33559 Posts
On January 05 2024 04:57 Waxangel wrote: That Clem 0-2 against Ryung in the final week destroyed any fantasy I had that winning Atlanta magically made Clem a better WTL player as well. Damn, took away the wrong lesson. Should have realized that Clem is just weak against Ryung, not weak in the WTL  | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
On January 08 2024 03:40 VladSlymor wrote: Congratz to Onsyde - but it does not take anything away from Clem's absolutely legendary run! If only Cure got a bit more support when it mattered... Clem vs. aligulac top 10 in this run: 2-0 Serral 3-0 MaxPax 2-0 herO 2-0 Dark 2-0 Maru 2-2 ByuN 3-1 Reynor I'm speechless. Ryung won the more important games in the playoffs, that Clem having a bigger body of work matters less. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18219 Posts
On January 08 2024 14:50 Philippe wrote: Ryung won the more important games in the playoffs, that Clem having a bigger body of work matters less. Actually, Ryung and Clem went 1-1 in both their series, and Ryung didn't play anybody else. Just because he's an underdog, doesn't mean the series was more important for him than for Clem. The two players in the finals with a positive record are Maru (3-2, including an ace win) and Clem (4-2). Ryung, Solar and Elazer all have equal wins and losses. Cure went 0-3  | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
On January 08 2024 16:38 Acrofales wrote: Actually, Ryung and Clem went 1-1 in both their series, and Ryung didn't play anybody else. Just because he's an underdog, doesn't mean the series was more important for him than for Clem. The two players in the finals with a positive record are Maru (3-2, including an ace win) and Clem (4-2). Ryung, Solar and Elazer all have equal wins and losses. Cure went 0-3 I know but it's difficult to see another way why Ryung got the nod for being the playoff MVP instead of somebody else, which obviously wasn't popular with everybody but the logic is there. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18219 Posts
On January 08 2024 16:43 Philippe wrote: I know but it's difficult to see another way why Ryung got the nod for being the playoff MVP instead of somebody else, which obviously wasn't popular with everybody but the logic is there. It just plain doesn't make any sense. And you seem to agree. SCBoy made a mistake there. Almost singlehandedly dragging TL through the entire gauntlet and having a positive record in the finals should obviously be an MVP, as opposed to being one of 2 people with a 2-2 record against him... it's totally fine for MVP to come from the losing team, if the losing team played 6 matches vs the winner having a single match. They messed it up, because the awards should have been Playoff MVP Clem, and best Terran Maru. I'm guessing they did some cool calculating money math there by giving Ryung a first prize instead of a second prize, amd Clem the biggest value win overall by declaring him overall best Terran (which is not an awful call, but Maru's regular season tear + 3-0 over Cure in the finals is enough to edge Clem out, imho). | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
He Single handedly got Liquid into the finals with little Support by his teammates That Ryung even was in consideration for Playoffs MVP just for taling 2 maps of him, simply shows how fucking dominant Clem was. Clem is Playoffs MVP, giving the title to anyone else is a farce And I would also argue, that Clem was best Terran. His schedule in the Playoffs was way harder than any regular season schedule ever could be. He played almost everyone in Top 10 Alligulac. His gauntlet was harder than what you would see at most Premier 1v1 tournaments and he absolutely killed anyone in his path. Giving the award to someone who didn t even win a single Bo2 is just plain wrong. Yes, I respect Onsyde for their massive balls to put their trust into Ryung, who seems to be a Clem sniper at this point and has always been a TvT expert. But giving him the MVP just because he didn t lose against the best Player is a paradox in itselve | ||
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tigera6
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ZeroByte13
784 Posts
But then Basilisk and especially Onsyde players would be in a position where they have no chance to contest MVP's title because they were much better in the regular season. "You were too good so you're penalised". | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
On January 08 2024 18:15 ZeroByte13 wrote: I can kinda agree with tigera6 - obviously Clem had an awesome dominating run in playoffs and I'd call him an obvious MVP favorite. But then Basilisk and especially Onsyde players would be in a position where they have no chance to contest MVP's title because they were much better in the regular season. "You were too good so you're penalised". This is the kind of unintended consequence many don't think about when having an opinion about it - then in that aspect awarding the MVP to the player who defeats the other one logging the most wins looks more logical, even if you don't approve (and I do tend to disagree with the decision too, just that in the end, it is what it is) | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18219 Posts
On January 08 2024 18:15 ZeroByte13 wrote: I can kinda agree with tigera6 - obviously Clem had an awesome dominating run in playoffs and I'd call him an obvious MVP favorite. But then Basilisk and especially Onsyde players would be in a position where they have no chance to contest MVP's title because they were much better in the regular season. "You were too good so you're penalised". That just means you should change your tournament structure or your individual award structure. But you can't award teams/players for games they didn't play. Onsyde, and its players, obviously deserve prizes and massive props for (a) dominating the regular season, and (B) winning the finals. But if you have an MVP for the PLAYOFFS, that should obviously go to the player who put on the single best performance the WTL has ever seen, and not the guy who managed to snipe him in the finals, no matter how important that snipe was. In fact, if we're ignoring what Clem did to get to the finals and disregarding how he tore through DKZ, Basilisk and everyone else, I'd argue two 1-1s against him is not that impressive, and Maru going 3-2 overall and winning the ace match should be MVP of the series. So the only reason Ryung is even considered a candidate is BECAUSE Clem was so incredible. | ||
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ZeroByte13
784 Posts
- he got two awards for being super-good for 3 days - while Maru got only one while being consistently the best for long time and bringing his team to the finals + won the ace match. Regular season is incredibly important as it can put your team to the final right away. It's not like in NHL or NBA where regular season isn't that important as long as you get into playoffs and hopefully not at the last day - to avoid meeting the strongest opponents in your first series. Here regular season is extremely important. Just think about this - if Clem was as good as Maru over the regular season he would simple destroy his own chance to have this run. | ||
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