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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
November 22 2023 12:53 GMT
#1
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(Wiki)World Team League/2023/Winter/Regular Season

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cn SCBoy
uk WardiTV | uk SteadfastSC | uk RotterdaM | uk CranKy Ducklings
fr Legendk | kr IntoTheiNu | kr Crank



Starting Maps

1. (Wiki)Oceanborn
2. (Wiki)Hecate
3. (Wiki)Equilibrium

Ace
(Wiki)Goldenaura



Match-ups

Friday, Nov 24 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Starlight Twinkle vs Kwandong Freecs

(Z)Wayne vs (T)KeeN
(Z)Cham vs (Z)soO
(P)Nice vs (T)TY

Platinum Heroes vs Mystery Gaming

(P)ShaDoWn vs (T)Bunny
(Wiki)Firefly vs (Z)RagnaroK
(P)Goblin vs (P)Strange

Saturday, Nov 25 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Team Liquid vs Dragon Kaizi Gaming

(T)Cure vs (Z)Dark
(T)Clem vs (T)Oliveira
(P)SKillous vs (P)herO

Onsyde Gaming vs PsiStorm

(T)Maru vs (T)Spirit
(Z)Solar vs (P)MindelVK
(T)Ryung vs (P)MaxPax

Sunday, Nov 26 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Matcherino Esports vs SSLT

(P)NightMare vs (Z)TooDming
(P)Astrea vs (P)Cyan
(P)Future vs (Z)Silky

Shopify Rebellion vs Basilisk

(T)ByuN vs (Wiki)trigger
(Z)Lambo vs (Z)Reynor
(P)Harstem vs (Z)Serral

TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 22 2023 16:05 GMT
#2
MindelVK as the sacrificial lamb vs Onsyde lol

Spirit getting a 1-1 vs Maru and MaxPax a 2-0 vs Ryung don t seem completly out of this World to me
So this might very well go to an ace match
MaxPax
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3398 Posts
November 22 2023 17:15 GMT
#3
In term of playoff implication, MYG would like to have 3 points from PH, although Firefly can take at least 1 map from Shin, and we dont know if Strange can continue his excellent PvP form. TL and KZG will be a near 50/50 split, where SR will rely on Reynor "1-1" reputation or Harstem pulling out another map upset from Serral.
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
November 25 2023 08:47 GMT
#4
I didn't expect this at the start of the season, but now I think the (Wiki)Freecs will be relegated. They are currently in a relegation spot. I don't see them beating either Mystery Gaming or BASILISK to gain some points in their last two matches.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
November 25 2023 11:26 GMT
#5
They'll need SSLT to pull out something against MX tomorrow otherwise they are donzo.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3398 Posts
November 25 2023 15:19 GMT
#6
Both Spirit and MindelVK were fighting hard, but the Onsyde dudes can reach another level in term of how to handle the tough situation. And I am seeing DKZ can get up to No.2 spot if things go their way.
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1188 Posts
November 26 2023 15:40 GMT
#7
I hope Serral takes care of his back with all the carrying he does for Team Basilisk.
Mutation complete.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
November 26 2023 15:46 GMT
#8
Comical how the rest of the Basilisk squad keeps dropping points. Same series score as first place but 5 actual points behind lol.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3398 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-11-26 15:53:20
November 26 2023 15:52 GMT
#9
Serral has to 2-0 constantly for them to avoid the Ace match, Trigger has improved clearly but still 6-12 in map, and Reynor is a 1-1 threat to his own team. They just carry the same form they had from last season into this one.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-11-26 17:37:21
November 26 2023 17:36 GMT
#10
There's a decent chance Basilisk finish as the sole 10-1 team and ends up outside the top 3 lol
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1183 Posts
November 26 2023 18:15 GMT
#11
On November 27 2023 00:40 Antithesis wrote:
I hope Serral takes care of his back with all the carrying he does for Team Basilisk.


I think since "Finlands" NationWars win Serral has a back of steel.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Glorfindelio
Profile Joined October 2022
210 Posts
November 26 2023 20:54 GMT
#12
It's kind of comical how poorly Reynor plays in WTL and non Mega Premiers. Losing to Ryung and Lambo 2-0? Lol.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4408 Posts
November 26 2023 21:37 GMT
#13
On November 27 2023 05:54 Glorfindelio wrote:
It's kind of comical how poorly Reynor plays in WTL and non Mega Premiers. Losing to Ryung and Lambo 2-0? Lol.


Him and Rogue both clearly don't practice hard unless an event has a 6 figure prize pool. If they were tryhards like Dark/Serral Zerg would have won 90% of premiers the last ~5 years.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6933 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-11-27 12:53:43
November 27 2023 12:51 GMT
#14
On November 27 2023 06:37 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2023 05:54 Glorfindelio wrote:
It's kind of comical how poorly Reynor plays in WTL and non Mega Premiers. Losing to Ryung and Lambo 2-0? Lol.


Him and Rogue both clearly don't practice hard unless an event has a 6 figure prize pool. If they were tryhards like Dark/Serral Zerg would have won 90% of premiers the last ~5 years.


The next two games for Basil SHOULD be 3 pointers while Onsyde and SR will be stealing each other points next match.

Also Serral slump confirmed with a meager record of 17:4 in WTL
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Glorfindelio
Profile Joined October 2022
210 Posts
November 27 2023 18:16 GMT
#15
On November 27 2023 06:37 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2023 05:54 Glorfindelio wrote:
It's kind of comical how poorly Reynor plays in WTL and non Mega Premiers. Losing to Ryung and Lambo 2-0? Lol.


Him and Rogue both clearly don't practice hard unless an event has a 6 figure prize pool. If they were tryhards like Dark/Serral Zerg would have won 90% of premiers the last ~5 years.


This is totally not a correct analogy, but for some reason I think of it in terms of basketball--there's a rec league at the gym in my city with some pretty good/D1 players, but we had someone who played in the G-league (basically NBA minor league) come in recently, and he smoked everybody. So I just imagine the gulf between a bench player and a superstar, and it feels like Kobe losing in 1-on-1 to Matt Barnes.

Obviously, sc2 =/ basketball, but I'm still surprised at the result knowing the gap in talent/mechanics/achievement, though we should probably be glad that's the case for varietal purposes. Also ZvZ lol.
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1183 Posts
November 27 2023 22:30 GMT
#16
On November 28 2023 03:16 Glorfindelio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2023 06:37 JJH777 wrote:
On November 27 2023 05:54 Glorfindelio wrote:
It's kind of comical how poorly Reynor plays in WTL and non Mega Premiers. Losing to Ryung and Lambo 2-0? Lol.


Him and Rogue both clearly don't practice hard unless an event has a 6 figure prize pool. If they were tryhards like Dark/Serral Zerg would have won 90% of premiers the last ~5 years.


This is totally not a correct analogy, but for some reason I think of it in terms of basketball--there's a rec league at the gym in my city with some pretty good/D1 players, but we had someone who played in the G-league (basically NBA minor league) come in recently, and he smoked everybody. So I just imagine the gulf between a bench player and a superstar, and it feels like Kobe losing in 1-on-1 to Matt Barnes.

Obviously, sc2 =/ basketball, but I'm still surprised at the result knowing the gap in talent/mechanics/achievement, though we should probably be glad that's the case for varietal purposes. Also ZvZ lol.


I think I lost you throughout your analogy, but did you just call Reynor a "benchplayer"? ._. Dude has won the World Championship two times...
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Glorfindelio
Profile Joined October 2022
210 Posts
November 28 2023 04:37 GMT
#17
On November 28 2023 07:30 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2023 03:16 Glorfindelio wrote:
On November 27 2023 06:37 JJH777 wrote:
On November 27 2023 05:54 Glorfindelio wrote:
It's kind of comical how poorly Reynor plays in WTL and non Mega Premiers. Losing to Ryung and Lambo 2-0? Lol.


Him and Rogue both clearly don't practice hard unless an event has a 6 figure prize pool. If they were tryhards like Dark/Serral Zerg would have won 90% of premiers the last ~5 years.


This is totally not a correct analogy, but for some reason I think of it in terms of basketball--there's a rec league at the gym in my city with some pretty good/D1 players, but we had someone who played in the G-league (basically NBA minor league) come in recently, and he smoked everybody. So I just imagine the gulf between a bench player and a superstar, and it feels like Kobe losing in 1-on-1 to Matt Barnes.

Obviously, sc2 =/ basketball, but I'm still surprised at the result knowing the gap in talent/mechanics/achievement, though we should probably be glad that's the case for varietal purposes. Also ZvZ lol.


I think I lost you throughout your analogy, but did you just call Reynor a "benchplayer"? ._. Dude has won the World Championship two times...


Nah Reynor's the superstar. But yeah, not a very serious comparison. SC has so much more variance that doesn't translate in the same way as pure, physical dominance.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3398 Posts
November 28 2023 13:42 GMT
#18
On November 28 2023 13:37 Glorfindelio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2023 07:30 Balnazza wrote:
On November 28 2023 03:16 Glorfindelio wrote:
On November 27 2023 06:37 JJH777 wrote:
On November 27 2023 05:54 Glorfindelio wrote:
It's kind of comical how poorly Reynor plays in WTL and non Mega Premiers. Losing to Ryung and Lambo 2-0? Lol.


Him and Rogue both clearly don't practice hard unless an event has a 6 figure prize pool. If they were tryhards like Dark/Serral Zerg would have won 90% of premiers the last ~5 years.


This is totally not a correct analogy, but for some reason I think of it in terms of basketball--there's a rec league at the gym in my city with some pretty good/D1 players, but we had someone who played in the G-league (basically NBA minor league) come in recently, and he smoked everybody. So I just imagine the gulf between a bench player and a superstar, and it feels like Kobe losing in 1-on-1 to Matt Barnes.

Obviously, sc2 =/ basketball, but I'm still surprised at the result knowing the gap in talent/mechanics/achievement, though we should probably be glad that's the case for varietal purposes. Also ZvZ lol.


I think I lost you throughout your analogy, but did you just call Reynor a "benchplayer"? ._. Dude has won the World Championship two times...


Nah Reynor's the superstar. But yeah, not a very serious comparison. SC has so much more variance that doesn't translate in the same way as pure, physical dominance.

We all watched the game and acknowledge that Reynor has played subpar comparing to his peak self. Obviously there is variance in esport just like regular sport, but its still an issue when your dudes or the team you cheer didnt perform to the expectation and lost. Just look at the current NBA and you find the guy like AD, who can be dominant but his "motor" just run at half capacity at time, and everybody seeing that.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1237 Posts
November 28 2023 15:07 GMT
#19
Reynor is unusually shaky in WTL, even after we account for him playing worse when there isn't a massive tournament coming up. Outside of Katowice/Gamers8, Reynor has won HSC, gotten third in European regionals, and top 4 at ESL Masters Spring. While top form Reynor could do better than that, with individual tournament performances like that he still shouldn't be dropping maps to ReWhite, getting 2-0'd by Lambo, etc. Dunno what it is about WTL but he hasn't even been bringing his normal "off-season" level.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6933 Posts
November 29 2023 08:54 GMT
#20
I understand we all expect more from Reynor but don't forget he is overall still the 8th best player in WTL
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
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