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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
November 19 2023 02:28 GMT
#46
It was an obliteration from Serral on Reynor. Reynor falling behind every single game from the opening and die to a Roach push minutes later.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
November 19 2023 14:58 GMT
#47
okay, I do NOT want to hear about any Protoss complaining after that game 4 performance from Firefly. Oliveira just simply need to siege up on his own base and wait for Firefly committing the suicide over and over.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3505 Posts
November 19 2023 15:20 GMT
#48
Don't think many people are taking regional China for the basis of balance concerns, I should HOPE. =p
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3505 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-11-19 16:56:10
November 19 2023 16:55 GMT
#49
Clem playing out of his mind. Would love to see him take EU today.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
bulldozer06701
Profile Joined July 2019
139 Posts
November 19 2023 17:07 GMT
#50
They should consider losing the 1 point advantage thing. No one likes it. I know it's double elimination, but still, it doesn't feel right. Also, Clem deserves the crown today
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
November 19 2023 17:16 GMT
#51
Great game 1 by Clem
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
November 19 2023 17:19 GMT
#52
Clem does his thing, but Serral delayed his Hive for more than 1 minutes, meaning late 3-3, late Adrenal and late Viper. He was on top of Clem until Clem catching up on upgrade and getting ahead in tech. I get that he was in lots of pressure, but Serral has been making rare mistake lately.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
November 19 2023 17:40 GMT
#53
Ultras are so strong in lategame now, really tough for terran
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
November 19 2023 17:50 GMT
#54
Its the Fungal from Burrow Infestor thats the problem, Ultra is strong but they are not efficient enough if the Bio Ghost can micro back to avoid the clump up.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
November 19 2023 17:51 GMT
#55
On November 20 2023 02:07 bulldozer06701 wrote:
They should consider losing the 1 point advantage thing. No one likes it. I know it's double elimination, but still, it doesn't feel right. Also, Clem deserves the crown today


It is very anti hype. A bo7 ending 3-3 is always dumb. The competitive integrity argument also doesn't make much sense to me. Staying in the upper bracket already allows you to make the finals in 1-2 less series.

The argument that all players should get a series loss is also poor imo because there's already a double standard there with group stages. It's entirely possible in most tournaments that a player with a significantly worse series/map score ends up eliminating a player with a better winrate and even the head to head lead in that very event. Competitive integrity would require every event be a full round robin and the player who finishes with the best map score is the winner. Anything short of that and you're compromising and the idea that not having a map lead in the grand finals is too much of a compromise over all the other ones that already happen is dumb.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-11-19 17:57:46
November 19 2023 17:57 GMT
#56
On November 20 2023 02:50 tigera6 wrote:
Its the Fungal from Burrow Infestor thats the problem, Ultra is strong but they are not efficient enough if the Bio Ghost can micro back to avoid the clump up.

Burrow fungal is a skill play so I don't mind it. On the old patch you couldn't continously build Ultras throughout the lategame against Ghost Liberator and end up even on resources lost.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
November 19 2023 18:04 GMT
#57
On November 20 2023 02:57 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2023 02:50 tigera6 wrote:
Its the Fungal from Burrow Infestor thats the problem, Ultra is strong but they are not efficient enough if the Bio Ghost can micro back to avoid the clump up.

Burrow fungal is a skill play so I don't mind it. On the old patch you couldn't continously build Ultras throughout the lategame against Ghost Liberator and end up even on resources lost.

The specific map allow the Zerg to tech up to Ultra early and get them out safely. The even trading was part of the Infestor Fungal/ Viper combo that hit Clem when he stay too aggressive. Yes its a skill play, but its the same thing as you give High Templar the Storm and Invisibility imo, even if you halve the damage of Storm its still worth it. You just spread them around enough to hit a jack pot, and there is no real counter against that unless Terran slow the game down and start building Turret/Ravens and keep replacing them. Only work if Zerg has a strong economy that can replace Infestor quickly though.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3517 Posts
November 19 2023 18:20 GMT
#58
Eh TvZ lategame is kinda meh rn, feels like zerg is sorta banking on money fungals because ghosts are good and then these are just snowballing stuff too much.
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
November 19 2023 18:27 GMT
#59
Very nice EU finals.


Here hoping for more NA madness like yesterday :D
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9411 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-11-19 19:45:59
November 19 2023 19:43 GMT
#60
On November 20 2023 03:20 darklycid wrote:
Eh TvZ lategame is kinda meh rn, feels like zerg is sorta banking on money fungals because ghosts are good and then these are just snowballing stuff too much.


Eventually terran will learn to adjust to these fungals. I actually think it's a very exciting mechanic.

The late-game play with positional units being spread all over many bases and constant action is something I like a lot as well.

That said, I agree about the zerg snowball. Feels like Zerg can be in a 95%+ winning position for 5-10 minutes before being able to end the game. But in the grand scheme of things, that's a relatively minor complaint on my side.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10100 Posts
November 19 2023 19:46 GMT
#61
great tournament for Kela. lets goooooooooooooooo!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
November 19 2023 20:21 GMT
#62
damn, love the games from NA , sweet start in the finals
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1215 Posts
November 20 2023 01:43 GMT
#63
Congratulations to Serral. The man just keeps on rolling.
Mutation complete.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
November 20 2023 03:44 GMT
#64
Wow, Kelazhur lost the last game to Astrea the same way Firefly lost to Oliveira but from the opposite side. He kept attacking into the heaviest defended position with just Bio Viking, against Storm Disruptor Tempest.
Gina
Profile Joined July 2019
241 Posts
November 23 2023 14:37 GMT
#65
I do hope Oliveira and Firefly are getting their US visas for Atlanta. RIGHT?
Omit needles swords.
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