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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33505 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-02 22:12:38
May 02 2023 18:00 GMT
#1
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ESL Masters Summer - Regionals
May 2nd - May 21st



Streams (English)
(Check TL.net sidebar for community streams)

uk ESL StarCraft II - Twitch
uk ESL StarCraft II - YouTube


Players & Groups
Group stage is 16 player Swiss format (2 groups for EU, 1 group for AM and Asia)
Playoffs are single elimination (16 players for EU, 8 players for AM and Asia)

Europe - Americas - Asia

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AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 02 2023 19:20 GMT
#2
EU went exactly as I thought except Showtime - Wayne, especially with Showtimes excellent results the last few weeks. Anyone know how the games played out?
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
May 02 2023 20:11 GMT
#3
On May 03 2023 04:20 Kreuger wrote:
EU went exactly as I thought except Showtime - Wayne, especially with Showtimes excellent results the last few weeks. Anyone know how the games played out?

In Game 1 Wayne went heavy Mutas, Showtime saw the spire building but didn't click on it, and Wayne committed heavily to Mutas and Showtime didn't ever really get enough Phoenix. Game 2 Wayne rushed hive and lurker upgrades and between abducts/ling surrounds of a few disruptors managed to run Showtime over.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 02 2023 20:15 GMT
#4
On May 03 2023 05:11 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2023 04:20 Kreuger wrote:
EU went exactly as I thought except Showtime - Wayne, especially with Showtimes excellent results the last few weeks. Anyone know how the games played out?

In Game 1 Wayne went heavy Mutas, Showtime saw the spire building but didn't click on it, and Wayne committed heavily to Mutas and Showtime didn't ever really get enough Phoenix. Game 2 Wayne rushed hive and lurker upgrades and between abducts/ling surrounds of a few disruptors managed to run Showtime over.



Thanks for the answer, still think Showtime will make it though, but he sure does make it harder on himself
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
May 02 2023 20:17 GMT
#5
Wow super late thread. Also I'm shocked that ESL isn't even running the stream. Rotti just said it was Wardii running the stream today, the intros, outros, everything. Tomorrow is going to be Beomulf.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33505 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-02 22:40:00
May 02 2023 22:13 GMT
#6
On May 03 2023 05:17 geokilla wrote:
Wow super late thread. Also I'm shocked that ESL isn't even running the stream. Rotti just said it was Wardii running the stream today, the intros, outros, everything. Tomorrow is going to be Beomulf.


Damn, I guess the budget cuts are coming in from every direction.

To be fair, given how the regionals were run during the EPT era, and how proficient the creators in the scene are at online event production, the difference probably won't be too noticeable.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7021 Posts
May 03 2023 08:20 GMT
#7
Showtime hello? Did not expect a 0:2 vs Vanya
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 04 2023 19:04 GMT
#8
Round2 in EU has a few great matchups:

Maxpax vs Clem
Lambo vs Skillous
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
May 05 2023 16:03 GMT
#9
Vanya/Rattata/Wayne is absolutly on fire right now
Imagine Spirit vs Showtime in next round. His two victims reals feel like they don t belong in the "Mid" category
MaxPax
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-07 19:18:05
May 07 2023 19:17 GMT
#10
MaxPax 4-gates Blink is too good, and make me hate the build even more.
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
May 07 2023 19:34 GMT
#11
On May 08 2023 04:17 tigera6 wrote:
MaxPax 4-gates Blink is too good, and make me hate the build even more.


More not the best response from Clem, MaxPax has much less success doing the same thing against HeroMarine for example. Blink is a good build but not as ubiquitous as it appears
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
May 07 2023 21:08 GMT
#12
How is NA region is so bad compared to EU and KR in terms of the quality of games and player skill? Do NA players not watch the other region's tournaments? NA used to be comparable to EU. I never quite understood this. Is it due to the COVID lockdown?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33505 Posts
May 07 2023 21:29 GMT
#13
On May 08 2023 06:08 geokilla wrote:
NA used to be comparable to EU. I never quite understood this.


While maybe this is applicable to very specific points in time, I don't think you can say this is GENERALLY true in SC2 history.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
712 Posts
May 09 2023 08:06 GMT
#14
i guess i'm late to the party but do they really go with map score as the tie-breaker?
"Code S > IEM > Super Tournament > Homestory Cup > Blizzcon/WESG > GSL vs The World > Invitational tournaments in China with Koreans > WCS events" - Rodya
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1376 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-09 13:12:59
May 09 2023 13:12 GMT
#15
TeebuL needing a reverse sweep to keep British hopes alive...

EDIT:

RIP.
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
May 09 2023 13:37 GMT
#16
So the best of the british intruders, the Oceania scene was so afraid about, that they were ranting about them for years just got eliminated by a bunch of chinese amateurs?
I m glad at least Meomaika is doing fine. The rest of the 'scene' in that region looks completly dead now.
I honestly didn t expect that China would completly dominate the new Asia region as hard as they do, but it looks like that Asia is going to consist of Meomaika, Has, Nice and then only Chinese players
MaxPax
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1376 Posts
May 09 2023 14:18 GMT
#17
On May 09 2023 22:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
So the best of the british intruders, the Oceania scene was so afraid about, that they were ranting about them for years just got eliminated by a bunch of chinese amateurs?

Pretty much.
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MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1376 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-09 14:35:23
May 09 2023 14:24 GMT
#18
Hellraiser was doing pretty well until those Widow Mine shots. It's nice seeing someone going for double Forge instead of rushing for splash damage.

EDIT:

He's doing a good job of only losing Chargelots in these middle-of-the-map engagements. Really important.

EDIT2:

Hellraiser almost won it with his 3/3 push. It looked pretty dicey for Clem, but Hellraiser lost the momentum after Clem caught up in upgrades. The Disruptor shots just weren't there in the end. Good game though.
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
May 09 2023 15:26 GMT
#19
On May 08 2023 06:08 geokilla wrote:
How is NA region is so bad compared to EU and KR in terms of the quality of games and player skill? Do NA players not watch the other region's tournaments? NA used to be comparable to EU. I never quite understood this. Is it due to the COVID lockdown?

I hope you watched Mana vs GungFuBanda
It might give you comfort that there are lots of Mid Tier EU players that are also capable of playing FULL NA clown fiesta with throws and counter throws.
MaxPax
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1376 Posts
May 10 2023 08:47 GMT
#20
On May 10 2023 00:26 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2023 06:08 geokilla wrote:
How is NA region is so bad compared to EU and KR in terms of the quality of games and player skill? Do NA players not watch the other region's tournaments? NA used to be comparable to EU. I never quite understood this. Is it due to the COVID lockdown?

I hope you watched Mana vs GungFuBanda
It might give you comfort that there are lots of Mid Tier EU players that are also capable of playing FULL NA clown fiesta with throws and counter throws.

That series was wild. I really enjoyed it.
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Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 10 2023 17:02 GMT
#21
Wayne reeally doing a great showing so far, pushing Serral
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
May 10 2023 20:55 GMT
#22
Wtf who draws a 1 hour game when you have an overwhelming advantage?
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3528 Posts
May 10 2023 21:28 GMT
#23
On May 11 2023 05:55 geokilla wrote:
Wtf who draws a 1 hour game when you have an overwhelming advantage?

what I know is that I just want that hour of my life back now
ModeratorSC2 LP Admin - My Life for Aiur - Let the Metal flow - @Cynical_Death
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 11 2023 02:43 GMT
#24
12k mineral bank and not trying to put up 40 more spores is criminal.
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1376 Posts
May 11 2023 14:27 GMT
#25
On May 11 2023 11:43 tigera6 wrote:
12k mineral bank and not trying to put up 40 more spores is criminal.

Nina seemed to have decided that she couldn't win unless Ukko attacked, and Ukko seemed to have decided that he couldn't win unless Nina attacked. More static defence wouldn't have forced a result.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 12 2023 18:49 GMT
#26
Something is just wrong with the current Swiss format, Showtime got beaten by Wayne in round 1 but got into the next stage with relatively easy win against mid-pack players, the same with Spirit. Meanwhile, Wayne beaten them both, and got "rewarded" with a match against Serral which was a close one, and then play against Harstem who has perfomed at high level so far. And now Wayne could be eliminated if he got cheese by a Protoss or Terran in the last round.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
May 12 2023 19:48 GMT
#27
What's up with Astrea, he was looking like the #2 toss in the world at the end of 2022. I imagine he'll still advance to the playoffs but still. Hopefully he comes back strong.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1248 Posts
May 12 2023 20:35 GMT
#28
On May 13 2023 03:49 tigera6 wrote:
Something is just wrong with the current Swiss format, Showtime got beaten by Wayne in round 1 but got into the next stage with relatively easy win against mid-pack players, the same with Spirit. Meanwhile, Wayne beaten them both, and got "rewarded" with a match against Serral which was a close one, and then play against Harstem who has perfomed at high level so far. And now Wayne could be eliminated if he got cheese by a Protoss or Terran in the last round.


I can imagine there is no seeding in between rounds. When you are in the "2-0" tier, you play against another "2-0" player, no other rules apply.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
May 12 2023 21:24 GMT
#29
On May 13 2023 05:35 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2023 03:49 tigera6 wrote:
Something is just wrong with the current Swiss format, Showtime got beaten by Wayne in round 1 but got into the next stage with relatively easy win against mid-pack players, the same with Spirit. Meanwhile, Wayne beaten them both, and got "rewarded" with a match against Serral which was a close one, and then play against Harstem who has perfomed at high level so far. And now Wayne could be eliminated if he got cheese by a Protoss or Terran in the last round.


I can imagine there is no seeding in between rounds. When you are in the "2-0" tier, you play against another "2-0" player, no other rules apply.

Yeah that is the problem.
There is no clear seeding or if there is one, ESL is not comunicating how it works.
Wayne and MaxPax realy got the short end of the stick here, they had 10x harder pathes than many players that are allready in the playoffs
MaxPax
thickertom
Profile Joined December 2014
China612 Posts
May 13 2023 13:04 GMT
#30
Oh, my god!
MacSed 1-2 SCV and 1-2 Oriana...
He didn't got Top 8 of Asian Qualifier!
I love SC2
OKLIG
Profile Joined May 2023
1 Post
May 14 2023 05:06 GMT
#31
On May 13 2023 06:24 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2023 05:35 Balnazza wrote:
On May 13 2023 03:49 tigera6 wrote:
Something is just wrong with the current Swiss format, Showtime got beaten by Wayne in round 1 but got into the next stage with relatively easy win against mid-pack players, the same with Spirit. Meanwhile, Wayne beaten them both, and got "rewarded" with a match against Serral which was a close one, and then play against Harstem who has perfomed at high level so far. And now Wayne could be eliminated if he got cheese by a Protoss or Terran in the last round.


I can imagine there is no seeding in between rounds. When you are in the "2-0" tier, you play against another "2-0" player, no other rules apply.

Yeah that is the problem.
There is no clear seeding or if there is one, ESL is not comunicating how it works.
Wayne and MaxPax realy got the short end of the stick here, they had 10x harder pathes than many players that are allready in the playoffs


Maxpax didn't really get a path that was significantly more difficult than people with a similar seed, but in the case of Wayne, it was most likely because his initial seeding was #14 in the group, which seems to be how they are arranging matches for the most part, except for situations in which there would be repeat match (Group B round 3 upper bracket seems to have been an exception to this rule).
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2392 Posts
May 14 2023 11:43 GMT
#32
rip SEA ANZ region
Progamer
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
May 14 2023 12:47 GMT
#33
On May 14 2023 20:43 Scarlett` wrote:
rip SEA ANZ region

Yeah, last year's DH Atlanta qualifier, SEA got $17,950 split among 12 players. This year the whole region got a $1,600 split among 2 players. It's worse than the GSL prize pool contraction.

Someone needs to get one of the Murdochs addicted to SC2
very illegal and very uncool
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 14 2023 13:19 GMT
#34
The ESL contraction become an expansion to CN player with how better they look compare to RoA and TW/HK region.
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-14 13:26:17
May 14 2023 13:21 GMT
#35
On May 14 2023 21:47 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2023 20:43 Scarlett` wrote:
rip SEA ANZ region

Yeah, last year's DH Atlanta qualifier, SEA got $17,950 split among 12 players. This year the whole region got a $1,600 split among 2 players. It's worse than the GSL prize pool contraction.

Someone needs to get one of the Murdochs addicted to SC2


Nah the Murdochs are busier playing cat and mouse with celebrities over phone hacking scandals that they can't even dedicate 15000 dollars to fund the Asia region (oh dear)

Joke aside, Meomaika and Ranger deserved better. But as for some of the other players, going into holidays the day of the qualifiers is a downright bad look (and sending only one player instead of doing their most to put on the numbers)
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 15 2023 17:15 GMT
#36
Nice looking brackets, several great matchups
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
May 15 2023 17:33 GMT
#37
Ironically, some of those who barely qualified 3-2 might have the most favourable early brackets.

While it's not a slam dunk, Astrea could have gotten way worse than Trigger. DnS could have a chance to semi-finals if playing THE perfect game.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
carlostipton1319
Profile Joined May 2023
4 Posts
May 17 2023 16:08 GMT
#38
--- Nuked ---
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 17 2023 16:37 GMT
#39
Lambo might upset Serral with how well hes rolling today.
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 17 2023 17:35 GMT
#40
Agree, Lambo is a scary opponent for Serral
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 18 2023 14:50 GMT
#41
Way better TvT than in GSL honestly
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 18 2023 16:24 GMT
#42
Reynor really did short work of Krystianer


Maxpax vs Showtime should be good games, Maxpax as the clear favorite eventhough Showtimes been playing great as of late
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 18 2023 16:28 GMT
#43
There are certain things you dont do in SC2, thats including playing endgame against Maru, and playing Phoenix war against MaxPax.
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 18 2023 17:25 GMT
#44
That was a crazy last game between Skillous and DNS
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
May 19 2023 06:05 GMT
#45
Trigger vs Astrea like, macro game, please xD
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 19 2023 16:13 GMT
#46
Lets go Zvz to start a great evening of sc2
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 19 2023 17:05 GMT
#47
Very impressive from Serral
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 19 2023 17:45 GMT
#48
Serral being Serral and all, but Lambo wasnt very committed with his pressure, he either didnt cut drone early enough, or he just faking some pressure but actually droning behind it. Serral just got to do whatever he wanted as long as he has the vision on the map and get enough defense up in time.
BelethielQT
Profile Joined August 2022
90 Posts
May 19 2023 17:57 GMT
#49
not the best version of clem today
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 19 2023 18:45 GMT
#50
Elazer seems to only able to master one style of TvZ which is LingBaneHydra, his other styles look pretty average.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
May 19 2023 19:33 GMT
#51
Lmao just caught up to the VOD and saw Scarlett pull the Destiny move on Future in game 2.
very illegal and very uncool
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 20 2023 07:26 GMT
#52
Masa pull the same proxy build from Maru/Byun and took a game off Kelazhur is so fun, now it will be flooding the ladder.
monacocoffee
Profile Joined May 2023
3 Posts
May 20 2023 08:02 GMT
#53
Truly a lot of useful material!
thickertom
Profile Joined December 2014
China612 Posts
May 20 2023 13:43 GMT
#54
Asia = Mainland China
I love SC2
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 20 2023 15:38 GMT
#55
Spirit might just become the 2nd best Terran in EU, or even 1A and 1B to Clem.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
May 20 2023 16:02 GMT
#56
ZZZZZZZ
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 20 2023 16:07 GMT
#57
Spirit is playing it so slow I'm worried he's gonna let the draw countdown expire on accident.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 20 2023 16:08 GMT
#58
On May 21 2023 01:07 Elentos wrote:
Spirit is playing it so slow I'm worried he's gonna let the draw countdown expire on accident.

I am pretty sure he set an alarm clock for 2 minutes interval.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
May 20 2023 16:10 GMT
#59
longest game of LotV?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 20 2023 16:14 GMT
#60
On May 21 2023 01:10 Charoisaur wrote:
longest game of LotV?

There was that one Maru vs Scarlett game at WESG that ended with Maru forgetting he can lift his buildings to get a draw. I think that was over 1:20.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 20 2023 16:19 GMT
#61
Wardi said the game will finish at 1:15 and it finished at 1:14:50 and I think esports may just be scripted like pro wrestling.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 20 2023 16:22 GMT
#62
Great game3, love me a stalemate now and then :D
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 20 2023 16:22 GMT
#63
Wheres the player cam when I need them the most
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
May 20 2023 16:24 GMT
#64
On May 21 2023 01:14 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2023 01:10 Charoisaur wrote:
longest game of LotV?

There was that one Maru vs Scarlett game at WESG that ended with Maru forgetting he can lift his buildings to get a draw. I think that was over 1:20.


That infamous Avilo-TheRiddler match felt like a it wasted a good 2h of my life each game back in the day
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
May 20 2023 16:25 GMT
#65
On May 21 2023 01:24 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2023 01:14 Elentos wrote:
On May 21 2023 01:10 Charoisaur wrote:
longest game of LotV?

There was that one Maru vs Scarlett game at WESG that ended with Maru forgetting he can lift his buildings to get a draw. I think that was over 1:20.


That infamous Avilo-TheRiddler match felt like a it wasted a good 2h of my life each game back in the day

why did you watch that?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 20 2023 16:25 GMT
#66
On May 21 2023 01:24 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2023 01:14 Elentos wrote:
On May 21 2023 01:10 Charoisaur wrote:
longest game of LotV?

There was that one Maru vs Scarlett game at WESG that ended with Maru forgetting he can lift his buildings to get a draw. I think that was over 1:20.


That infamous Avilo-TheRiddler match felt like a it wasted a good 2h of my life each game back in the day

I'm sure Charoisaur was talking about progamers.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
May 20 2023 16:34 GMT
#67
On May 21 2023 01:25 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2023 01:24 Nakajin wrote:
On May 21 2023 01:14 Elentos wrote:
On May 21 2023 01:10 Charoisaur wrote:
longest game of LotV?

There was that one Maru vs Scarlett game at WESG that ended with Maru forgetting he can lift his buildings to get a draw. I think that was over 1:20.


That infamous Avilo-TheRiddler match felt like a it wasted a good 2h of my life each game back in the day

why did you watch that?


A fair question
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pzlama333
Profile Joined April 2013
United States281 Posts
May 20 2023 16:43 GMT
#68
Two 50:50 in WTL reaches 50:50 in ESL as well.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
May 20 2023 16:54 GMT
#69
Hope Reynor loses after his BM in game 3
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buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
May 20 2023 17:08 GMT
#70
WHAT A PERFORMANCE BY SPIRIT!
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 20 2023 17:08 GMT
#71
Spirit with an impressive run, Heromarine then Reynor
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
May 20 2023 17:08 GMT
#72
So by IEM logic, Spirit will beat Maxpax in the semi and Clem in the final.
very illegal and very uncool
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-20 17:11:19
May 20 2023 17:10 GMT
#73
Spirit playing like a god, a Spirit vs Serral final could be sick, though I think Maxpax will probably make the finals now... (plus Clem is good at winning EU, even if he hasn't looked at his best so far.)
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 20 2023 17:11 GMT
#74
Bracket looking pretty epic so far - most exciting EU yet?
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 20 2023 17:12 GMT
#75
MaxPax has a VERY good record against Spirit, so I think he should make the Final. Whether Clem can overcome Serral on the other side of the bracket is the question.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 20 2023 17:15 GMT
#76
On May 21 2023 02:12 tigera6 wrote:
MaxPax has a VERY good record against Spirit, so I think he should make the Final. Whether Clem can overcome Serral on the other side of the bracket is the question.


Clem the only thorn possibly stopping Serral (and very powerful one).
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 20 2023 17:22 GMT
#77
On May 21 2023 02:15 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2023 02:12 tigera6 wrote:
MaxPax has a VERY good record against Spirit, so I think he should make the Final. Whether Clem can overcome Serral on the other side of the bracket is the question.


Clem the only thorn possibly stopping Serral (and very powerful one).

Would be very Clem to turn it up when he's playing Serral after scraping by against worse Zergs in the previous rounds.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 20 2023 17:27 GMT
#78
On May 21 2023 02:22 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2023 02:15 Pandain wrote:
On May 21 2023 02:12 tigera6 wrote:
MaxPax has a VERY good record against Spirit, so I think he should make the Final. Whether Clem can overcome Serral on the other side of the bracket is the question.


Clem the only thorn possibly stopping Serral (and very powerful one).

Would be very Clem to turn it up when he's playing Serral after scraping by against worse Zergs in the previous rounds.

Its actually quite possible. Clem doesnt mix up his opening in TvZ against lesser Zerg players, and just rely on his mechanical skill to win. But he often mix it up against Serral, Reynor and get enough of a surprise to take some win.
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
479 Posts
May 20 2023 18:02 GMT
#79
Enjoying myself some skillous and maxpax action. I guess PvPs are the only mu that will have a toss winner...
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 20 2023 18:21 GMT
#80
In the end, MaxPax has the killer instinct and Skillous does not. And his micro is way better than any other non-KR Protoss.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3517 Posts
May 20 2023 18:24 GMT
#81
Maxpax got really lucky tho, Go 3-2 in His group into the perfect Playoff bracket
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 20 2023 21:24 GMT
#82
NA always delivers
Kashim
Profile Joined December 2013
Poland1214 Posts
May 20 2023 22:11 GMT
#83
ggs Astrea!
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33505 Posts
May 20 2023 23:50 GMT
#84
LATAM will have its revenge next season
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
May 21 2023 06:24 GMT
#85
Very BM by Reynor in Game3 - and I also wonder if it was justifiable as an auto-loss for that game - there could've been something in the rules about distracting or intimidating opponents. Considering how much was on the line - it was an auto-seed for 2023 Masters Summer it is extremely disrespectful.
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-21 06:39:31
May 21 2023 06:33 GMT
#86
On May 21 2023 15:24 Azzur wrote:
Very BM by Reynor in Game3 - and I also wonder if it was justifiable as an auto-loss for that game - there could've been something in the rules about distracting or intimidating opponents. Considering how much was on the line - it was an auto-seed for 2023 Masters Summer it is extremely disrespectful.


BM but not DQ-level, otherwise at least publicly, Spirit would have directly raised the matter to the ESL referee (behind closed doors, who knows). On the contrary, provided the rules do not currently forbid it, given the stakes, not doing what he did would be the stupid thing to do. Plus if that contributed to possibly not playing to his best during the remainder of the series, he punished himself more than anything else.

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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-21 06:48:38
May 21 2023 06:44 GMT
#87
On May 21 2023 15:33 Philippe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2023 15:24 Azzur wrote:
Very BM by Reynor in Game3 - and I also wonder if it was justifiable as an auto-loss for that game - there could've been something in the rules about distracting or intimidating opponents. Considering how much was on the line - it was an auto-seed for 2023 Masters Summer it is extremely disrespectful.


BM but not DQ-level, otherwise at least publicly, Spirit would have directly raised the matter to the ESL referee (behind closed doors, who knows). On the contrary, provided the rules do not currently forbid it, given the stakes, not doing what he did would be the stupid thing to do. Plus if that contributed to possibly not playing to his best during the remainder of the series, he punished himself more than anything else.

Morals don't always pay bills, cold hard cash does.

How do you know it's not DQ level? Have a look at the ESL rules here: https://play.eslgaming.com/starcraft/masters/sc2/masters/esl-masters-summer-2023-playoffs-asia/rules/. There are rules that prevent unsporting behaviour such as intimidating your opponent. I believe Spirit would've had a reasonable case to argue for a forfeit (at least game3 forfeit) on the basis of what happened. I reckon it could've been an ugly situation if Spirit had lost the series and complained about Reynor's BM. ESL was lucky that Spirit won that series - I believe the referee should've intervened to stop the situation that occurred and potentially even forfeited game3.
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-21 06:51:53
May 21 2023 06:50 GMT
#88
On May 21 2023 15:44 Azzur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2023 15:33 Philippe wrote:
On May 21 2023 15:24 Azzur wrote:
Very BM by Reynor in Game3 - and I also wonder if it was justifiable as an auto-loss for that game - there could've been something in the rules about distracting or intimidating opponents. Considering how much was on the line - it was an auto-seed for 2023 Masters Summer it is extremely disrespectful.


BM but not DQ-level, otherwise at least publicly, Spirit would have directly raised the matter to the ESL referee (behind closed doors, who knows). On the contrary, provided the rules do not currently forbid it, given the stakes, not doing what he did would be the stupid thing to do. Plus if that contributed to possibly not playing to his best during the remainder of the series, he punished himself more than anything else.

Morals don't always pay bills, cold hard cash does.

How do you know it's not DQ level? Have a look at the ESL rules here: https://play.eslgaming.com/starcraft/masters/sc2/masters/esl-masters-summer-2023-playoffs-asia/rules/. There are rules that prevent unsporting behaviour such as intimidating your opponent. I believe Spirit would've had a reasonable case to argue for a forfeit (at least game3 forfeit) on the basis of what happened.


Reading the said paragraph, unless there is a repeat behaviour during the whole series (or even in the past), there's likely not enough matter to ask for a DQ. Based on that, I can see your argument (and Reynor certainly didn't need to throw the odd bomb) but it is not a Naniwa-level type of crap. Mostly you, me and Reynor not having the same threshold of morality.

Agreeing to disagree, then.

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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
May 21 2023 07:12 GMT
#89
What happened in g3 between Reynor and Spirit?
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 21 2023 09:11 GMT
#90
On May 21 2023 16:12 SmoKim wrote:
What happened in g3 between Reynor and Spirit?

75 minutes game, with about the last 30-40 minutes having both army sitting across the screen and doesnt fight into each other, just sniping stuff here and there. Reynor then putting down some banter chat in game and Spirit reply, thats all.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-21 10:46:08
May 21 2023 10:44 GMT
#91
On May 21 2023 18:11 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2023 16:12 SmoKim wrote:
What happened in g3 between Reynor and Spirit?

75 minutes game, with about the last 30-40 minutes having both army sitting across the screen and doesnt fight into each other, just sniping stuff here and there. Reynor then putting down some banter chat in game and Spirit reply, thats all.

more specificially Reynor complained about Spirit's passive playstyle (While the one time Spirit had enough and went for it he lost a huge part of his army to mass fungal, so not really his fault).
And before he gged he also typed a (very likely given the context) sarcastic "congrats".

Not really great sportsmanship imo considering Spirit was close to his career-best result but not DQ-worthy imo
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-21 10:51:39
May 21 2023 10:47 GMT
#92
I'd be curious how different what Reynor said is from the banter that normally happens in the lobby between games, which we as viewers rarely see unless casters call attention to it.

At the end of the day Reynor's comments were BM, but a bit of banter is fine for the scene as long as it doesn't cross a line. Marinelord's "tooled" comment was similarly if not more BM, but even that led to some good memes. Some esports go way too far in tolerating BM/general toxicity, but SC2 is at a fine place in that regard.
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Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-21 10:54:34
May 21 2023 10:52 GMT
#93
On May 21 2023 19:47 dysenterymd wrote:
I'd be curious how different what Reynor said is from the banter that normally happens in the lobby between games, which we as viewers rarely see unless casters call attention to it.

At the end of the day Reynor's comments were BM, but a bit of banter is fine for the scene as long as it doesn't cross a line. Marinelord's "tooled" comment was similarly if not more BM, but even that led to some good memes.


While different in the sense it is not part of the EPT circuit, there was a case during World Team League weeks ago. The similarity is some user thinking that level of Bad Mannering is worth a DQ, when it has been ruled in another way (or non-ruled, yesterday).

In Reynor's case, BM but not reaching the DQ threshold, even Spirit was low key replying to the banter, which should indicate, no for Storming the Teacup.

EDIT : Forgot the MarineLord meme. How I laughed reading the tweet.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
May 21 2023 10:57 GMT
#94
On May 21 2023 19:52 Philippe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2023 19:47 dysenterymd wrote:
I'd be curious how different what Reynor said is from the banter that normally happens in the lobby between games, which we as viewers rarely see unless casters call attention to it.

At the end of the day Reynor's comments were BM, but a bit of banter is fine for the scene as long as it doesn't cross a line. Marinelord's "tooled" comment was similarly if not more BM, but even that led to some good memes.


While different in the sense it is not part of the EPT circuit, there was a case during World Team League weeks ago. The similarity is some user thinking that level of Bad Mannering is worth a DQ, when it has been ruled in another way (or non-ruled, yesterday).

In Reynor's case, BM but not reaching the DQ threshold, even Spirit was low key replying to the banter, which should indicate, no for Storming the Teacup.

EDIT : Forgot the MarineLord meme. How I laughed reading the tweet.

What was the WTL incident?
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Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
May 21 2023 11:21 GMT
#95
On May 21 2023 19:57 Charoisaur wrote:
What was the WTL incident?


https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/609997-wtl-summer-full-teams-list-schedule-system

The short version is aggressive bantering in the chinese forums by a representative of team ABYDOS (ex-NV) and one from Starlight Twinkle. That degenerated to a point that a pointed comment was made about the supposedly dubious contracts from a team (Mystery Gaming) who played during the qualifiers of the event.

Afterwards when you know how the Chinese forums can sometimes be (cf, sometimes that would make the odd rancid Twitch chat look like paradise in comparison), etc etc. Skipping the details because no need to repeat it unless you really want all the details from the WTL organisers



Fast-forward you have a TL user who was pushing for Abydos to get banned from the event because the behaviour of the representative. Not long after, WTL organizers decided to keep said team on because it didn't involve the roster as a whole, and misunderstandings (there were plenty during the matter) can happen, the only thing that happened is the Abydos representative took a backseat from duties.

Regardless of how the organizer ruled it, back to the TL user, who judged good to still push the matter and even created a topic and a public poll. When some pointed to the user that should stop, nope, more and more noise until an admin likely had to step up and close (or delete ?) the topic down.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
May 21 2023 14:37 GMT
#96
On May 21 2023 20:21 Philippe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2023 19:57 Charoisaur wrote:
What was the WTL incident?


https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/609997-wtl-summer-full-teams-list-schedule-system

The short version is aggressive bantering in the chinese forums by a representative of team ABYDOS (ex-NV) and one from Starlight Twinkle. That degenerated to a point that a pointed comment was made about the supposedly dubious contracts from a team (Mystery Gaming) who played during the qualifiers of the event.

Afterwards when you know how the Chinese forums can sometimes be (cf, sometimes that would make the odd rancid Twitch chat look like paradise in comparison), etc etc. Skipping the details because no need to repeat it unless you really want all the details from the WTL organisers



Fast-forward you have a TL user who was pushing for Abydos to get banned from the event because the behaviour of the representative. Not long after, WTL organizers decided to keep said team on because it didn't involve the roster as a whole, and misunderstandings (there were plenty during the matter) can happen, the only thing that happened is the Abydos representative took a backseat from duties.

Regardless of how the organizer ruled it, back to the TL user, who judged good to still push the matter and even created a topic and a public poll. When some pointed to the user that should stop, nope, more and more noise until an admin likely had to step up and close (or delete ?) the topic down.

Thanks
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12377 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-21 15:09:12
May 21 2023 15:07 GMT
#97
Reynor also demanded a pause after game 2 as a troll because Spirit often does that and he wanted to mock him. Just not a very good person I'm afraid.

My favourite fact about Reynor is that right after there was discourse on TL about whether zergs were winning because their race was strong or because the best players just happened to pick zerg, he switched to protoss for six months to show us all that it was just his skill talking, got zero good results and quietly went back to zerg. Good times.
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-21 15:57:37
May 21 2023 15:51 GMT
#98
On May 22 2023 00:07 Nebuchad wrote:
Reynor also demanded a pause after game 2 as a troll because Spirit often does that and he wanted to mock him. Just not a very good person I'm afraid.

My favourite fact about Reynor is that right after there was discourse on TL about whether zergs were winning because their race was strong or because the best players just happened to pick zerg, he switched to protoss for six months to show us all that it was just his skill talking, got zero good results and quietly went back to zerg. Good times.


Reynor said in chat after he and Piotr (spirit) are very good friemds and would know it was bantering, I trust that over us random people on the internet who don't know any context.

Almost nothing in that second paragraph is accurate. He didn't *switch* to toss, at most for a few months switched between zvz and PvZ, or did random/toss in the weeklies. He didn't do it because of anything people on TL said but because he likes having fun and it was a pretty awesome thing to do. He was actually quite good and is arguably the best performing off race player in history, for a while people thought he had top 3 pvz. Of course he never won major tournaments with it but that was not his goal and that would be an absolutely insane accomplishment. And he still regularly plays toss in weeklies or other smaller tournaments.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 21 2023 16:29 GMT
#99
Couldn't be more pumped for EU. Serral Clem will always be a banger and so many different storylines in the other half of the bracket as well. Dreaming for maxpax Clem bo7
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 21 2023 17:40 GMT
#100
Series like this make me pretty skeptical when people say skill level has decreased since X year. Maybe "competition" level, but definitely not in terms of skill. These two are just playing out of their minds
Glorfindelio
Profile Joined October 2022
220 Posts
May 21 2023 18:04 GMT
#101
Dunno if that was map-specific or not, but that build was pretty damn cool
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4033 Posts
May 21 2023 18:07 GMT
#102
the 3-queen hit squad was quite a pimp play by Serral.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 21 2023 18:07 GMT
#103
I guess Clem was too distracted with all the switch and turn and forgot how to defend those dropperlord. Btw, I have seen Serral done that a lot more lately, with early Roaches for safety/pressure, and then greedy switch into late game tech super quick. What would the top Terran do to counter that? How about 2-base all-in?
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12377 Posts
May 21 2023 18:17 GMT
#104
Last interesting series of the tournament, hope it'll be a good one
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Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 21 2023 18:32 GMT
#105
Lets go Maxpax

tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 21 2023 18:37 GMT
#106
how can we have 20k people watching on Twitch live? Thats more than IEM, wasnt it?
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 21 2023 18:39 GMT
#107
On May 22 2023 03:37 tigera6 wrote:
how can we have 20k people watching on Twitch live? Thats more than IEM, wasnt it?


Good time for EU, fan favorites playing. Not that suprising imo

But do like the surge in numbers, great stuff
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1215 Posts
May 21 2023 18:51 GMT
#108
On May 22 2023 02:40 Pandain wrote:
Series like this make me pretty skeptical when people say skill level has decreased since X year. Maybe "competition" level, but definitely not in terms of skill. These two are just playing out of their minds

Completely agree. Serral vs. Clem was an absurdly high-level series skill-wise, as was to be expected.

To me there is no question that, notwithstanding a bit of inevitable variation, the skill level in present-day SC2 is the highest it has ever been.
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Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 21 2023 19:16 GMT
#109
Nordic finals, nice

Guessing 4-2 to Finland
ZeroByte13
Profile Joined March 2022
780 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-21 19:20:48
May 21 2023 19:20 GMT
#110
I missed the games - did it look like Spirit has a chance, or..?
BelethielQT
Profile Joined August 2022
90 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-21 19:21:25
May 21 2023 19:21 GMT
#111
On May 22 2023 04:20 ZeroByte13 wrote:
I missed the games - did it look like Spirit has a chance, or..?


Not really
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1215 Posts
May 21 2023 19:32 GMT
#112
Serral vs. MaxPax should make for an amazing finals.

I think Serral is just too strong for MaxPax in a BO7. But it must be remembered that MaxPax is one of the few players who managed to win a series against Serral in the weeks since Katowice.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12377 Posts
May 21 2023 19:44 GMT
#113
On May 22 2023 04:32 Antithesis wrote:
Serral vs. MaxPax should make for an amazing finals.


I am absolutely convinced that even zergs get bored watching this, you couldn't shake me.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
May 21 2023 19:59 GMT
#114
Fun game!
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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4033 Posts
May 21 2023 19:59 GMT
#115
MaxPax is insanely good recently
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10100 Posts
May 21 2023 20:34 GMT
#116
this is closer than i thought
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
May 21 2023 20:49 GMT
#117
My analysis of the last 6 years of SC2 is that it's really more fun when the zerg is losing
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
May 21 2023 20:49 GMT
#118
Watching Colossi get abducted always seems so dumb to me. Obviously Serral was ahead and Maxpax shouldn't be invincible defensively but it looks very dumb.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 21 2023 20:53 GMT
#119
MaxPax please pull out your book of cheese and do something to throw Serral off his rhythm
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
May 21 2023 21:04 GMT
#120
I don't get why Max goes into +3, storm.. when his best shot clearly was to send it.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 21 2023 21:17 GMT
#121
Lacking killer instinct is the main reason, and hes not an "expert" in lategame Skytoss warfare like Zoun/Zest were also why.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10100 Posts
May 21 2023 21:17 GMT
#122
the last game was a long dead animation D:
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
May 21 2023 23:30 GMT
#123
Looked a tasty tournament, especially in EU. Players are stepping up from the A/B tiers to be increasingly competitive with the traditional ‘big three’. Long may that continue!

To paraphrase butcher Gary Lineker’s quote about the Germans in football, ‘Starcraft is a simple game. Two players macro, micro, try to force that gg. Spectators may balance whine, and in the end Serral always wins’.
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TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
May 21 2023 23:57 GMT
#124
Goat Serral does what he does. Win
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1215 Posts
May 22 2023 01:40 GMT
#125
On May 22 2023 08:30 WombaT wrote:
Looked a tasty tournament, especially in EU. Players are stepping up from the A/B tiers to be increasingly competitive with the traditional ‘big three’. Long may that continue!

Yeah, this was a highly enoyable tournament. The Swiss group format made the group stage much more compact and meaningful, and very worth watching.

The play-offs featured some astonishingly high-level matches, above all, those involving Serral, Clem, and MaxPax.
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 22 2023 01:56 GMT
#126
Honestly if Clem had beaten Serral I think we would have had a MaxPax championship.

That final game of Serral/Clem was absolutely incredible by Serral - it's super rare you see a zerg be that innovative but he made it happen - would love to see more of that.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
May 22 2023 02:31 GMT
#127
On May 22 2023 10:56 Pandain wrote:
Honestly if Clem had beaten Serral I think we would have had a MaxPax championship.

That final game of Serral/Clem was absolutely incredible by Serral - it's super rare you see a zerg be that innovative but he made it happen - would love to see more of that.

I thought all of those years Rogue was being innovative, but turning out he was just abusing the balance.

Btw, the world seems to be normal again with Maru winning GSL and Serral winning EU titles, now we will see them dodging each other again due to seeding and somebody else will just win the Global Final.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
May 22 2023 02:55 GMT
#128
On May 22 2023 11:31 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2023 10:56 Pandain wrote:
Honestly if Clem had beaten Serral I think we would have had a MaxPax championship.

That final game of Serral/Clem was absolutely incredible by Serral - it's super rare you see a zerg be that innovative but he made it happen - would love to see more of that.

I thought all of those years Rogue was being innovative, but turning out he was just abusing the balance.

Btw, the world seems to be normal again with Maru winning GSL and Serral winning EU titles, now we will see them dodging each other again due to seeding and somebody else will just win the Global Final.

He’s a cheeky scamp that Rogue, do miss having him around. There’s a fine line between innovative and abusive, hell sometimes it can be both. Rogue does all! Plus some stellar macro games to boot
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Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
May 24 2023 19:11 GMT
#129
Serral is the EU Champion! | Rotterdam Interview | ESL StarCraft 2 Masters 2023 Summer: Europe

Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33505 Posts
May 25 2023 05:46 GMT
#130
On May 25 2023 04:11 Kreuger wrote:
Serral is the EU Champion! | Rotterdam Interview | ESL StarCraft 2 Masters 2023 Summer: Europe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeCWuuXQvGI&ab_channel=BASILISK


been missing the official interviews so good to see people step it up

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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3446 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-27 17:12:31
May 27 2023 17:09 GMT
#131
So MaxPax has forfeited ESL Summer, again, and now they will host a mini bracket among the 4 players that lost the EU Quaterfinal. Looking like Reynor will make it, unless Elazer just smash in ZvZ again.
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden796 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-27 17:38:34
May 27 2023 17:37 GMT
#132
On May 28 2023 02:09 tigera6 wrote:
So MaxPax has forfeited ESL Summer, again, and now they will host a mini bracket among the 4 players that lost the EU Quaterfinal. Looking like Reynor will make it, unless Elazer just smash in ZvZ again.


Do you have any idea when they will play it out?

nvm, saw it on wiki
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