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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16079 Posts
February 12 2023 20:46 GMT
#1781
On February 13 2023 05:44 Creager wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2023 05:42 Poopi wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:40 Creager wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:38 Poopi wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:34 Sent. wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:32 tigera6 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:31 Sent. wrote:
The GOAT debate will never be decided

looking at how things are in this IEM, now its Rogue to me. The guy just know how to win the big ones.


Rogue is my top 3 together with Maru and Serral. Each has their own, uncomparable reasons to call them greatest.

You're missing Mvp

1) Maru
2) Rogue
3) INno
4) Serral
5) Mvp


Wow, Inno over Mvp, that's kinda bold

INno could have been 1st if he had a bit more motivation towards the end and Maru didn’t crush him in OSL, his talent is insane. His brother Gumayusi is super dominant as well in LoL


Not arguing Inno's talent, but then you could also argue that Mvp could've been 1st if his body didn't give out.

or Life if he didn't get banned. That one is actually the most likely one
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
February 12 2023 20:46 GMT
#1782
On February 13 2023 05:41 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2023 05:38 Poopi wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:34 Sent. wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:32 tigera6 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:31 Sent. wrote:
The GOAT debate will never be decided

looking at how things are in this IEM, now its Rogue to me. The guy just know how to win the big ones.


Rogue is my top 3 together with Maru and Serral. Each has their own, uncomparable reasons to call them greatest.

You're missing Mvp

1) Maru
2) Rogue
3) INno
4) Serral
5) Mvp


I can't disagree with this list.

Could probably argue maru/rogue either way, but I think this is accurate.



Maru is too high, he chokes hard too often, I will put Rogue before.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2465 Posts
February 12 2023 20:46 GMT
#1783
On February 13 2023 05:45 dragunslayerxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2023 05:40 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:38 Poopi wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:34 Sent. wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:32 tigera6 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:31 Sent. wrote:
The GOAT debate will never be decided

looking at how things are in this IEM, now its Rogue to me. The guy just know how to win the big ones.


Rogue is my top 3 together with Maru and Serral. Each has their own, uncomparable reasons to call them greatest.

You're missing Mvp

1) Maru
2) Rogue
3) INno
4) Serral
5) Mvp

hard to argue with the top 4 but I think there are quite a few players over Mvp like Zest, Stats, Dark, Life


Who is Life?


Match-fixing dude.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Monochromatic
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States998 Posts
February 12 2023 20:46 GMT
#1784
On February 13 2023 05:45 dragunslayerxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2023 05:40 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:38 Poopi wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:34 Sent. wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:32 tigera6 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:31 Sent. wrote:
The GOAT debate will never be decided

looking at how things are in this IEM, now its Rogue to me. The guy just know how to win the big ones.


Rogue is my top 3 together with Maru and Serral. Each has their own, uncomparable reasons to call them greatest.

You're missing Mvp

1) Maru
2) Rogue
3) INno
4) Serral
5) Mvp

hard to argue with the top 4 but I think there are quite a few players over Mvp like Zest, Stats, Dark, Life


Who is Life?


A match fixer who was once the best Zerg in the world. Probably the ugliest spot of SC2 history.
MC: "Guys I need your support! iam poor make me nerd baller" __________________________________________RIP Violet
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
February 12 2023 20:46 GMT
#1785
Can anyone confirm/debunk the 2,5 million chinese viewers?
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1942 Posts
February 12 2023 20:47 GMT
#1786
On February 13 2023 05:46 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2023 05:44 Creager wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:42 Poopi wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:40 Creager wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:38 Poopi wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:34 Sent. wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:32 tigera6 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:31 Sent. wrote:
The GOAT debate will never be decided

looking at how things are in this IEM, now its Rogue to me. The guy just know how to win the big ones.


Rogue is my top 3 together with Maru and Serral. Each has their own, uncomparable reasons to call them greatest.

You're missing Mvp

1) Maru
2) Rogue
3) INno
4) Serral
5) Mvp


Wow, Inno over Mvp, that's kinda bold

INno could have been 1st if he had a bit more motivation towards the end and Maru didn’t crush him in OSL, his talent is insane. His brother Gumayusi is super dominant as well in LoL


Not arguing Inno's talent, but then you could also argue that Mvp could've been 1st if his body didn't give out.

or Life if he didn't get banned. That one is actually the most likely one


Over the whole lifespan of SC2 and considering how young Life still was, you're probably right. But still point is to not hypothezise on what if's, right?
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
February 12 2023 20:47 GMT
#1787
On February 13 2023 05:43 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2023 05:38 Poopi wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:34 Sent. wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:32 tigera6 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:31 Sent. wrote:
The GOAT debate will never be decided

looking at how things are in this IEM, now its Rogue to me. The guy just know how to win the big ones.


Rogue is my top 3 together with Maru and Serral. Each has their own, uncomparable reasons to call them greatest.

You're missing Mvp

1) Maru
2) Rogue
3) INno
4) Serral
5) Mvp


Zest or sOs should be included too as representative of Protoss player, I guess. Zest has many premier championships but never seriously discussed as a contender.


Zest is the best protoss in the history of the game for sure. I would definately put him as one of the greatest of all the races.

2x GSL Champion and 4x Finalist
IEM Kato Champion and 3x Finalist
GSL Super Tournament Champion
Multiple Homestory Cup Champion
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12949 Posts
February 12 2023 20:48 GMT
#1788
On February 13 2023 05:44 Creager wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2023 05:42 Poopi wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:40 Creager wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:38 Poopi wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:34 Sent. wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:32 tigera6 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:31 Sent. wrote:
The GOAT debate will never be decided

looking at how things are in this IEM, now its Rogue to me. The guy just know how to win the big ones.


Rogue is my top 3 together with Maru and Serral. Each has their own, uncomparable reasons to call them greatest.

You're missing Mvp

1) Maru
2) Rogue
3) INno
4) Serral
5) Mvp


Wow, Inno over Mvp, that's kinda bold

INno could have been 1st if he had a bit more motivation towards the end and Maru didn’t crush him in OSL, his talent is insane. His brother Gumayusi is super dominant as well in LoL


Not arguing Inno's talent, but then you could also argue that Mvp could've been 1st if his body didn't give out.

Well I don’t think he would have surpassed INno / Maru as terrans either way in LotV, the game was too fast paced imo
WriterMaru
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8918 Posts
February 12 2023 20:48 GMT
#1789
On February 13 2023 05:46 SmoKim wrote:
Can anyone confirm/debunk the 2,5 million chinese viewers?

anyone that says that they can confirm or debunk chinese viewership is lying to you
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
MyLovelyLurker
Profile Joined April 2007
France756 Posts
February 12 2023 20:48 GMT
#1790
On February 13 2023 05:40 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2023 05:35 MyLovelyLurker wrote:
Is this Katowice the GOAT (Greatest of All Tournaments) ?


You know, at the end of Playoffs day 1 with 5 Zerg, 2 Terran and 1 Protoss I would never have expected this to even be a question.

Maybe it's recency bias, or the excitement frying my brain, but I can't think of any other that could be.

Katowice somehow manages to be routinely great.


Indeed. ByuN's Blizzcon and Soo's Kato spring to mind too, but I'm too excited now to think about it.
"I just say, it doesn't matter win or lose, I just love Starcraft 2, I love this game, I love this stage, just play like in practice" - TIME/Oliveira
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3500 Posts
February 12 2023 20:49 GMT
#1791
If you just stack up accomplishment, then its probably going to be Maru if he keep winning 2-3 more GSL in the coming years. But this IEM leave a bad taste in my mouth, its worse than the time he lost to sOs in Blizzcon because of how close he was to win it all.
ZeroByte13
Profile Joined March 2022
797 Posts
February 12 2023 20:50 GMT
#1792
I was rooting for Maru but if anyone else should have won it - it's Time/Oliveira.
You just can't not love the dude. Such a Cinderella story, such a heartfelt moment.
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
February 12 2023 20:50 GMT
#1793
On February 13 2023 05:16 Acrofales wrote:
Maru had the easiest bracket in years and he still doesn't have a world championship. Not the goat.


No one has him in the goat discussion except his fanboys

It’s rogue and Serral than everyone else
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
February 12 2023 20:50 GMT
#1794
On February 13 2023 05:48 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2023 05:46 SmoKim wrote:
Can anyone confirm/debunk the 2,5 million chinese viewers?

anyone that says that they can confirm or debunk chinese viewership is lying to you


https://twitter.com/Lamduyyy/status/1624841073003741184?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1624841073003741184|twgr^bb10464a6eedcc6e50399fd1967d3ccd88c2c851|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/607027-iem-katowice-2023-ro8-ro4-grand-finals?page=60

Maybe someone here on TL was watching that stream, idunno. But just really curious
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
0neheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States92 Posts
February 12 2023 20:51 GMT
#1795
This is the most unbelievable tournament I've ever seen. Congrats Oliveira!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12949 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-12 20:51:36
February 12 2023 20:51 GMT
#1796
On February 13 2023 05:47 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2023 05:43 swarminfestor wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:38 Poopi wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:34 Sent. wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:32 tigera6 wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:31 Sent. wrote:
The GOAT debate will never be decided

looking at how things are in this IEM, now its Rogue to me. The guy just know how to win the big ones.


Rogue is my top 3 together with Maru and Serral. Each has their own, uncomparable reasons to call them greatest.

You're missing Mvp

1) Maru
2) Rogue
3) INno
4) Serral
5) Mvp


Zest or sOs should be included too as representative of Protoss player, I guess. Zest has many premier championships but never seriously discussed as a contender.


Zest is the best protoss in the history of the game for sure. I would definately put him as one of the greatest of all the races.

2x GSL Champion and 4x Finalist
IEM Kato Champion and 3x Finalist
GSL Super Tournament Champion
Multiple Homestory Cup Champion

Zest could be #5 indeed, but it’s kinda hard to rate after Maru and Rogue anyways. Rogue palmares should put him 1st but given how he wasn’t dominant during Kespa era and thrived when zerg was very strong gives a shot to Maru.

However, depending on how long sc2 lasts in Korea, it might not matter since Maru is still quite young
WriterMaru
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8918 Posts
February 12 2023 20:52 GMT
#1797
On February 13 2023 05:50 SmoKim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2023 05:48 BluemoonSC wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:46 SmoKim wrote:
Can anyone confirm/debunk the 2,5 million chinese viewers?

anyone that says that they can confirm or debunk chinese viewership is lying to you


https://twitter.com/Lamduyyy/status/1624841073003741184?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1624841073003741184|twgr^bb10464a6eedcc6e50399fd1967d3ccd88c2c851|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/607027-iem-katowice-2023-ro8-ro4-grand-finals?page=60

Maybe someone here on TL was watching that stream, idunno. But just really curious

my point is that chinese streaming numbers are largely not real
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MyLovelyLurker
Profile Joined April 2007
France756 Posts
February 12 2023 20:53 GMT
#1798
On February 13 2023 05:49 tigera6 wrote:
If you just stack up accomplishment, then its probably going to be Maru if he keep winning 2-3 more GSL in the coming years. But this IEM leave a bad taste in my mouth, its worse than the time he lost to sOs in Blizzcon because of how close he was to win it all.


Even that is debatable because competition in Code S is a lot shallower and Rogue is now out of play. This defeat makes me respect Rogue's mental fortitude even more, ex post. He might be the strongest of SCII GOAT contenders outside of Starcraft too, can imagine him being a great poker champion for instance.
"I just say, it doesn't matter win or lose, I just love Starcraft 2, I love this game, I love this stage, just play like in practice" - TIME/Oliveira
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
February 12 2023 20:53 GMT
#1799
On February 13 2023 05:46 SmoKim wrote:
Can anyone confirm/debunk the 2,5 million chinese viewers?

It's not going to be actually 2.5 mil but it'll be very fucking high.
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3135 Posts
February 12 2023 20:55 GMT
#1800
I still can't really believe it. what a run.

Normal Man victory

grats to TIME/Oliveira!
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