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Waxangel
United States33651 Posts
 IEM Katowice 2023Streams & CastersFormatPlayoffs • 12-player single-elimination bracket • Round of 12, Quarterfinals, and Semifinals matches are Bo5. • Finals are Bo7. Map PoolBracket![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/EPT/Katowice2023/ro12bracket_1.png) CSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Banner: IEM | ||
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Gescom
Canada3513 Posts
Preferably not a ZvZ finals, but nevertheless, it will be sick. | ||
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highsis
259 Posts
1. Stopped watching SC2 some years ago because Zerg was winning everything and patches weren't addressing it. 2. Came back recently to see this tournament's RO8 is getting dominated by zergs: 5 out of 8. 2 terrans and 1 protoss 3. Getting curious, goes back to check previous result: IEM 2022: zerg champion IEM 2021: zerg champion IEM 2020: zerg champion IEM Season XIII - Katowice: zerg champion IEM Season XII - World Championship: zerg champion IEM Season XII - PyeongChang: zerg champion IEM Season XII - Shanghai: zerg champion IEM Season XI - World Championship: at last a terran champion 2019 WCS Global Finals: zerg champion 2018 WCS Global Finals: zerg champion 2017 WCS Global Finals: zerg champion 2016 WCS Global Playoffs and Finals: terran champion How do you protoss fans even stick around this scene and stay calm? I'm well aware protoss is strong below top tiers as it's always been but to fans doesn't trophy mean everything in any competitions? Is this going to be responded with another tireless rhetoric of Protoss players not innovating, underperforming, not skilled, their playerbase too thin to contend at top tiers? Who cares? That's not quantifiable nor provable claim and results don't lie. Seems like been years since they won the most prestigious tournament. Heard Hero winning GSL was the first time in like 5 years too. Shouldn't 'balance' patches be made at this stage to force non-zerg player to win for the sake of balance? Seems kinda pointless to see so many years of zerg domination going unanswered for whatever reasons I'm not aware of. I can't be the only one watching these results and go "Hmmm something seems wrong maybe we need measures to not alienate 2/3 of the viewerbase" I hope we don't get a ZvZ finals at very least. Sorry for this whiny rant but it's disappointing coming back years later to see nothing has changed. I'm not complaining zerg domination at RO 8 since that can happen and the patch is still fresh to make a judgement on. I'm rather complaining about previous results; I just hope protoss wins this tourny and if not terran wins it at very least. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On February 12 2023 16:19 highsis wrote: 1. Stopped watching SC2 some years ago because Zerg was winning everything and patches weren't addressing it. 2. Came back recently to see this tournament's RO8 is getting dominated by zergs: 5 out of 8. 2 terrans and 1 protoss 3. Getting curious, goes back to check previous result: IEM 2022: zerg champion IEM 2021: zerg champion IEM 2020: zerg champion IEM Season XIII - Katowice: zerg champion IEM Season XII - World Championship: zerg champion IEM Season XII - PyeongChang: zerg champion IEM Season XII - Shanghai: zerg champion IEM Season XI - World Championship: at last a terran champion 2019 WCS Global Finals: zerg champion 2018 WCS Global Finals: zerg champion 2017 WCS Global Finals: zerg champion 2016 WCS Global Playoffs and Finals: terran champion How do you protoss fans even stick around this scene and stay calm? I'm well aware protoss is strong below top tiers as it's always been but to fans doesn't trophy mean everything in any competitions? Is this going to be responded with another tireless rhetoric of Protoss players not innovating, underperforming, not skilled, their playerbase too thin to contend at top tiers? Who cares? That's not quantifiable nor provable claim and results don't lie. Seems like been years since they won the most prestigious tournament. Heard Hero winning GSL was the first time in like 5 years too. Shouldn't 'balance' patches be made at this stage to force non-zerg player to win for the sake of balance? Seems kinda pointless to see so many years of zerg domination going unanswered for whatever reasons I'm not aware of. I can't be the only one watching these results and go "Hmmm something seems wrong maybe we need measures to not alienate 2/3 of the viewerbase" I hope we don't get a ZvZ finals at very least. Sorry for this whiny rant but it's disappointing coming back years later to see nothing has changed. I'm not complaining zerg domination at RO 8 since that can happen and the patch is still fresh to make a judgement on. I'm rather complaining about previous results; I just hope protoss wins this tourny and if not terran wins it at very least. sums it up for me tbh but that's why I don't really follow playoffs anymore unless one of the Protoss' makes a deep run User was warned for this post | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1711 Posts
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tigera6
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Poopi
France12992 Posts
Overall all matches are pretty exciting, unless RagnaroK gets 3-0d. I think Oliveira has a real shot at taking out Reynor, he seems in good shape right now | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden914 Posts
Hoping for a maru vs serral semi then a serral vs her0 final | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On February 12 2023 17:53 Kreuger wrote: Jfc the whine is strong today. Hoping for a maru vs serral semi then a serral vs her0 final well anyways, Hoping for good games and herO advancing | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
Serral 3-1 RagnaroK Reynor 3-1 Oliveira herO 3-1 Dark simply predictions without a ton of explanation behind -narutO | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16124 Posts
On February 12 2023 19:47 TaKeTV wrote: Maru 3-0 Solar Serral 3-1 RagnaroK Reynor 3-1 Oliveira herO 3-1 Dark simply predictions without a ton of explanation behind -narutO You're giving TIME more of a chance against Reynor than Solar against Maru? I don't know how i feel about that. I think Solar deserves to at least be predicted at 3-1 especially with how he played yesterday. I'm expecting 3-2 either way. | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
On February 12 2023 20:00 Vindicare605 wrote: You're giving TIME more of a chance against Reynor than Solar against Maru? I don't know how i feel about that. I think Solar deserves to at least be predicted at 3-1 especially with how he played yesterday. I'm expecting 3-2 either way. I think Reynor is way more likely to occasionally lose a map in ZvT compared to Maru TvZ if he plays well. What Solar showed against SpeCial wasn't super hot and while he won solid against GuMiHo, Maru is worlds above. IF(!!) Maru peaks TvZ here, there is no chance even for A-game solar. If Maru doesn't play peak, there is a chance but Solar still needs to play well. TIME at least took a map off of Dark who can be considered at times the best ZvT I think. That would explain my reasoning. In the end I care more about the end result though | ||
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ZeroByte13
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
 Feel he'd have a genuinely good shot against anyone else in the bracket. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16124 Posts
On February 12 2023 20:03 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Poor Solar Feel he'd have a genuinely good shot against anyone else in the bracket. I'll just say this. Serral, Reynor and herO should all be thankful that Solar drew Maru in the second round instead of one of them. | ||
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ZeroByte13
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Poopi
France12992 Posts
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Javah
France739 Posts
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