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Balance whining will be moderated aggressively

-Wax
Blissyu2
Profile Joined February 2023
Australia19 Posts
February 12 2023 23:47 GMT
#1841
On February 13 2023 03:10 Captain Peabody wrote:
you know I'm going to go ahead and quote myself from yesterday

Show nested quote +
On February 11 2023 23:05 Captain Peabody wrote:
yeah I think my "head" spoilers are Solar or Ragnarok, both been looking strong lately and kind of fly below the radar but can realistically take down anyone on a good day

my "heart" spoilers would be Byun or Gumiho or Creator, more "creative" fun inconsistent players that I personally like and like watching and would love to see go far on the basis of some unique stylings. and I think they have it in them.

wackiest spoiler would be Time/Oliveira crushing everyone and going to the finals lol


Well done.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
February 13 2023 00:02 GMT
#1842
Just finished watching the finals. This HAS to be the craziest upset run of SC2 history, no? TIME was ranked as the worst player in Tier 4 in the power ranking, and here he is lifting the trophy after convincingly going through arguably the best zerg in the world, the best protoss in the world and the best terran in the world. I remember when Has cheesed himself to the 2018 WCS Valencia finals and that was cool and all, but TIME's run here was nowhere near a fluke. I'm at a loss for words honestly, he literally went super saiyan after going down 2-0 to Reynor and didn't look back.

If Oliveira has 1000 fans, I'm one of them.
If Oliveira has 100 fans, I'm one of them.
If Oliveira has 1 fan, I am that fan.
If Oliveira has 0 fans, then I am no longer alive.
Mine gas, build tanks.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-13 00:07:57
February 13 2023 00:07 GMT
#1843
double post sorry
Mine gas, build tanks.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
February 13 2023 00:12 GMT
#1844
At the end of the day, the toughest match for Oliveira was Reynor, who was both looking dominant and up 2-0 before the reverse sweep. Insane mental and skills from Oli.
very illegal and very uncool
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States832 Posts
February 13 2023 00:22 GMT
#1845
On February 13 2023 09:12 argonautdice wrote:
At the end of the day, the toughest match for Oliveira was Reynor, who was both looking dominant and up 2-0 before the reverse sweep. Insane mental and skills from Oli.

Yep, Reynor looked genuinely confounded by game 4’s end. Perhaps in a B07 Reynor could have come back, but Oliveira looked to be the best player by far today, against the top players of each race.
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
Swawks
Profile Joined February 2023
2 Posts
February 13 2023 00:45 GMT
#1846
At the end of the day I blame Serral's ragequit. have never seen an upcomer displace him. He always seems to want to fight the last drone but quickly bowed to Ragnarok. I imagine the groupstage ZvZ fiasco made him lose all of his self esteem.
AxiomB
Profile Joined August 2016
69 Posts
February 13 2023 00:49 GMT
#1847
Respect to TIME/OLI really wellplayed!
freaquency88
Profile Joined July 2019
Malaysia14 Posts
February 13 2023 01:07 GMT
#1848
Congratulations to Oliveira that’s as happy as fairy tale ending could be. That fist pump for every map W and that nothing to lose spirit is really giving viewers the goosebumps.
So many players we wanted to lift the trophy it just feels like 1 global championship isn’t enough.
Zest is beast, Zest is best!
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9384 Posts
February 13 2023 02:10 GMT
#1849
On February 13 2023 09:02 Akio wrote:
Just finished watching the finals. This HAS to be the craziest upset run of SC2 history, no? TIME was ranked as the worst player in Tier 4 in the power ranking, and here he is lifting the trophy after convincingly going through arguably the best zerg in the world, the best protoss in the world and the best terran in the world. I remember when Has cheesed himself to the 2018 WCS Valencia finals and that was cool and all, but TIME's run here was nowhere near a fluke. I'm at a loss for words honestly, he literally went super saiyan after going down 2-0 to Reynor and didn't look back.

If Oliveira has 1000 fans, I'm one of them.
If Oliveira has 100 fans, I'm one of them.
If Oliveira has 1 fan, I am that fan.
If Oliveira has 0 fans, then I am no longer alive.


Oh without question. When you take into account the context (strenght of opponents faced and straight up outplaying them as opposed to relying on cheese), it has to be considered one of the biggest all-time upset runs in esports history.
mintyminmus
Profile Joined September 2022
Australia127 Posts
February 13 2023 02:19 GMT
#1850
Fuck it was like 6 am here and I had to go to sleep. Now I am extremely disappointed to have missed the crowning of the new king
xyfan
AcrossFromTime
Profile Joined May 2020
29 Posts
February 13 2023 02:34 GMT
#1851
I wish we wouldn't be so hard on our favorite players when they lose. I think every time a player loses with a strategy it will look stupid, but if they had won we would think it was brilliant. For as long as I've watched Starcraft 2, Koreans have tended to choose aggressive strategies, even against players they are favored against. I don't know why that is, perhaps it's a remnant from the teamhouse days, as well as a result of the GSL format. Obviously it's not a universal rule, some players like Innovation and Stats were known for relying on their solid mechanics more than strategies. But I think in general Korean players seem more willing to do whatever it takes to win, without worrying whether they might look silly. Whether you win with a cheese or in a long game, a win is a win. When I think about sOs winning 3 championships by rushing tempest, cannon rushing, and building gateways in his opponent's base, it's clear he would have looked like an idiot if he hadn't won. People would have said, "why did he throw it all away with such dumb builds? What was he thinking!? You don't just cheese with $100,000 on the line." But he won, so he looks like a genius. Maru has won a lot of series by just saying F it, and building proxy rax every map.

Anyway, I don't know if I managed to make anything resembling a point, but I just don't like seeing the players criticized. I would prefer a thousand comments complaining about balance than seeing a single comment criticizing the players. Especially after they've accomplished so much. Just qualifying for the world championship is an incredible achievement.
hku
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
169 Posts
February 13 2023 03:55 GMT
#1852
What a beautiful day for StarCraft. Beautiful play throughout the RO12 and especially dazzling play from the champion Oliveira.

A tournament run for the ages!
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
February 13 2023 05:20 GMT
#1853
Damn just watched the finals and interview. What a run by Time. The way he outplayed Maru is just sick. I thought I wouldn't enjoy the games because of the new maps and while I don't like these new maps being launched a few weeks prior to Katowice, in a mirror match up, new maps do not matter. Time deserves to be world champion. Congratulations!
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-13 05:35:20
February 13 2023 05:32 GMT
#1854
That was one of the most amazing runs I've seen in 10+ years of watching starcraft. Hoping Blizz keeps funding the SC2 scene the next few years because the quality of games overall this tournament has really been better than ever.

Also how the heck is Oliveria so young.. feels like he's been around since forever.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
February 13 2023 05:48 GMT
#1855
What a storyline. We've had successful name changes in the past (e.g. Special), but this is on a whole other level. So happy that Oliveira won this.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-13 06:20:39
February 13 2023 06:20 GMT
#1856
On February 13 2023 11:34 AcrossFromTime wrote:
I wish we wouldn't be so hard on our favorite players when they lose. I think every time a player loses with a strategy it will look stupid, but if they had won we would think it was brilliant. For as long as I've watched Starcraft 2, Koreans have tended to choose aggressive strategies, even against players they are favored against. I don't know why that is, perhaps it's a remnant from the teamhouse days, as well as a result of the GSL format. Obviously it's not a universal rule, some players like Innovation and Stats were known for relying on their solid mechanics more than strategies. But I think in general Korean players seem more willing to do whatever it takes to win, without worrying whether they might look silly. Whether you win with a cheese or in a long game, a win is a win. When I think about sOs winning 3 championships by rushing tempest, cannon rushing, and building gateways in his opponent's base, it's clear he would have looked like an idiot if he hadn't won. People would have said, "why did he throw it all away with such dumb builds? What was he thinking!? You don't just cheese with $100,000 on the line." But he won, so he looks like a genius. Maru has won a lot of series by just saying F it, and building proxy rax every map.

Anyway, I don't know if I managed to make anything resembling a point, but I just don't like seeing the players criticized. I would prefer a thousand comments complaining about balance than seeing a single comment criticizing the players. Especially after they've accomplished so much. Just qualifying for the world championship is an incredible achievement.

I see what you're saying but there's no universe in which flying a single loaded medivacs straight through the natural in enemy's cyclone range is the correct decision and you see from Maru's facial reactions he knew he fucked up
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Urth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1249 Posts
February 13 2023 06:52 GMT
#1857
Wow, I never thought I'd see the day!!!!!!
BY.HERO FIGHTING!!!!
championiasonu
Profile Joined April 2018
8 Posts
February 13 2023 07:04 GMT
#1858
On February 13 2023 05:46 SmoKim wrote:
Can anyone confirm/debunk the 2,5 million chinese viewers?

20000~40000 for certain.
championiasonu
Profile Joined April 2018
8 Posts
February 13 2023 07:18 GMT
#1859
On February 13 2023 05:52 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2023 05:50 SmoKim wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:48 BluemoonSC wrote:
On February 13 2023 05:46 SmoKim wrote:
Can anyone confirm/debunk the 2,5 million chinese viewers?

anyone that says that they can confirm or debunk chinese viewership is lying to you


https://twitter.com/Lamduyyy/status/1624841073003741184?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1624841073003741184|twgr^bb10464a6eedcc6e50399fd1967d3ccd88c2c851|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/607027-iem-katowice-2023-ro8-ro4-grand-finals?page=60

Maybe someone here on TL was watching that stream, idunno. But just really curious

my point is that chinese streaming numbers are largely not real

China's streaming medias usually provide:
① the HOT VALUE based on a complex algorithm, (several million usually);
② the number of VIP VIEWERS, (tens of thousands usually), which is the exact number of paid-in-channel audiences.
The total viewer number is usually several times of VIP VIEWERS.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16710 Posts
February 13 2023 08:17 GMT
#1860
great event. great games. SC2 continues to be great.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
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