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Waxangel
United States33708 Posts
On July 31 2022 16:54 Durnuu wrote: Careful guys, if you criticize the seeding too much Wax will descend upon you with his condescending tone. I'm very protective of my niche of complaining without offering reasonable solutions  | ||
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Durnuu
13326 Posts
On July 31 2022 19:12 Charoisaur wrote: I think doing the seeding based on EPT points is pretty sensible, just because this time it resulted in some undesired results due to some special circumstances like Serral skipping DH Valencia and Gumiho needing a bit of time to get in shape after military doesn't mean the system is bad. Changing the system just to adjust for those special circumstances would be pretty much handpicking in order to get your personal favored results so I understands Wax's objection. I still don't see why you can't add a regional stratification to your seeding. What's the point of having regional qualifiers if you're gonna make them play against each other in the first round? (especially when said qualifiers are ACTUALLY region-locked, unlike TSL 8 or how IEM used to do them where it was just server-bound). I'm also curious which other international tournaments used EPT seedings with no regional stratification, because other than TSL and IEM Katowice (the latter being obvious because it's the culmination of the circuit...), I didn't see one while looking through the premier list, but it's also hard to see because we don't have the EPT points by the point the tournament started. Perhaps NeXT was also one, but it looked to me more like random chinese grouping than EPT seeding. | ||
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Curufinwe Feanor
Brazil91 Posts
On July 31 2022 02:06 Waxangel wrote: damn, kelazhur beating special like it's 2017 Yea babyy KelaGod Mode on!! | ||
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Waxangel
United States33708 Posts
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Elentos
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Elentos
55594 Posts
Or move away from spreading a 1 weekend tournament out to 1 month. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On July 31 2022 21:19 Elentos wrote: Might be time to cut down the number of players from 32 and go back to starting in Bo5. This first weekend of TSL has been mostly devoid of excitement. To be fair, it's also because the games have been kind of bad outside of one or two series. (Lambo-Ryung was fun for me personnaly) Sometime the SC2 gods just don't want to cooperate. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On July 31 2022 21:29 Nakajin wrote: To be fair, it's also because the games have been kind of bad outside of one or two series. (Lambo-Ryung was fun for me personnaly) Sometime the SC2 gods just don't want to cooperate. See the problem with that is that most of the matches already weren't expected to be good on paper. They've mostly met expectations and it's still been a mediocre at best weekend of SC2. Is that the standard we want for our "premier" events? | ||
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Waxangel
United States33708 Posts
On July 31 2022 21:29 Nakajin wrote: To be fair, it's also because the games have been kind of bad outside of one or two series. (Lambo-Ryung was fun for me personnaly) Sometime the SC2 gods just don't want to cooperate. Average 'entertainment quality' of SC2 games is lower than our memory fools us into thinking, and that's also the case in a lot of traditional sports (at least the ones I follow anyway). It's more that SC2 tournaments are generally feeling thin in the lower rounds, like GSL was before it cut to RO20 from RO28 (it was an interesting decision to have ur top four players sit out the entire first round  ) , or WCS/DHM Opens before they get down to like 24-ish players. In an environment where DHM/WCS cuts entire rounds of play from the main stream and even GSL is cutting their first stage to 20, I think it's reasonable to wonder if 32 is "too big" a starting point in the current state of SC2. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
E: I wonder how many people watching this event are even aware Frodan has any history with SC2 to be honest. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33708 Posts
On July 31 2022 21:42 Elentos wrote: And now we interrupt the scheduled Best of ZvZ broadcast to bring you a Psistorm Gaming teamkill E: I wonder how many people watching this event are even aware Frodan has any history with SC2 to be honest. Certainly a few if there are people who don't know DRG is DongRaeGu and spam NASL sound guy whenever there's an audio issue | ||
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Athenau
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Elentos
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Durnuu
13326 Posts
On July 31 2022 21:40 Elentos wrote: See the problem with that is that most of the matches already weren't expected to be good on paper. They've mostly met expectations and it's still been a mediocre at best weekend of SC2. Is that the standard we want for our "premier" events? Perhaps we'd see the matches as more interesting if, say, players that don't play each against one another often played each other for once. Like say, players from different regions...  | ||
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Elentos
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Waxangel
United States33708 Posts
On July 31 2022 22:27 Elentos wrote: It's very frustrating to watch Gerald play this. He's basically dying to armies he could easily destroy because he never knows where they are. I was thinking professional sports should be played in very dark arenas with limited lighting around the players all these supposed 'field generals' using perfect information as a crutch how good is Kevin de Bruyne, REALLY? | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On July 31 2022 22:37 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Just realised all the Zergs got mirrors in the loser's bracket. Good! | ||
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Waxangel
United States33708 Posts
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
Still, I don't think downsizing is a great solution for all tournaments. I think it's good when qualification for bigger tournaments is something peripheral players have a chance to play for. Maybe the solution is to just have an A and B stream for earlier rounds in tournaments like TSL? In a tournament like GSL downsizing makes sense because we expect all matches to be streamed, but the same isn't true of a tournament like TSL. | ||
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