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[GSL 2022] Code S - Grand Finals (Season 2)
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Waxangel
United States33183 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
I hope this'll be a wonky one with a bunch of weird games and wtf builds. Also I'm kinda rooting for hero despite being a Terran fan. His trajectory has been so cool and his playstyle is super fun to watch. And I kinda wanna see a G5L finals between Maru and Rogue | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
On July 26 2022 05:23 Schelim wrote: And I kinda wanna see a G5L finals between Maru and Rogue how is it possible to be excited for a final involving Rogue? lol | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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ZombieGrub
United States692 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On July 26 2022 05:43 Die4Ever wrote: how is it possible to be excited for a final involving Rogue? lol Their recent final engagement turned out be good, though. Maru should be wary and prepared more than their last final match meeting. | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1060 Posts
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
This finals is incredibly hype, can't really ask for a better one | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 26 2022 19:11 SHODAN wrote: maru is gonna bust out a mech build at least once. he's been playing real tricky lately and he got the maps for it in TvP? what you thinkin, some kinda cyclone/hellion opening? or straight up turtling? BC shenanigans? Ravens? I mean I'm here for it but I'm not sure Maru would do that. if it was Gumibro, yeah for sure. | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On July 26 2022 19:44 Schelim wrote: in TvP? what you thinkin, some kinda cyclone/hellion opening? or straight up turtling? BC shenanigans? Ravens? I mean I'm here for it but I'm not sure Maru would do that. if it was Gumibro, yeah for sure. Maru tried it in the Civil Caster War tournament against Showtime, it was BC rush into Mech with Tanks, but Showtime crush it easily with Blink Stalker and Chargelot. Not sure if Maru would do something like that again, but it maybe more feasible against the SG Phoenix opening. | ||
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dysenterymd
1176 Posts
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TossHeroes
281 Posts
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umelbumel
2026 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
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catplanetcatplanet
3829 Posts
 With TY doing his service, is herO the only currently active ex-BW pro (disregarding hybrid Proleague)? | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On July 27 2022 04:01 catplanetcatplanet wrote: Most hype final possible atm I think With TY doing his service, is herO the only currently active ex-BW pro (disregarding hybrid Proleague)? Trap played a bit of BW I think | ||
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Moonerz
United States442 Posts
soO and Rogue as well, though idk if Rogue really had many (or any) matches. | ||
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Elentos
55458 Posts
soO was an OSL semifinalist | ||
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absinthfee
Germany718 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
Wow really? Never knew he was so good at BW. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24335 Posts
On July 27 2022 14:09 Moonerz wrote: soO and Rogue as well, though idk if Rogue really had many (or any) matches. Classic did have a few too right? Although I think he was one of the up and comers with potential that never really got to flourish | ||
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samAel1
Poland26 Posts
Love you my fav toss, gl! | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10314 Posts
I think I want herO to win and finally get a title for Protoss, it'll make it more exciting for viewers to watch future GSLs to have some hope/proof that it's possible for Protoss to win a GSL. If Maru wins G5L that's fine, but yeah it'd be more hype if it was between Maru and Rogue. I wanted Creator to be the first to get a GSL title, but he needs to clean up his play a lot more and improve his defense/multitasking. | ||
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Moonerz
United States442 Posts
On July 27 2022 23:06 WombaT wrote: Classic did have a few too right? Although I think he was one of the up and comers with potential that never really got to flourish Yep youre right, so hes another. He slipped my mind since I just looked at this seasons GSL roster | ||
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Elentos
55458 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24335 Posts
On July 28 2022 01:00 Elentos wrote: I think the practice partner situation is pretty interesting. There are a lot more decent options for herO to practice with than Maru. Can they play like MaruTM? Though? | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On July 28 2022 01:00 Elentos wrote: I think the practice partner situation is pretty interesting. There are a lot more decent options for herO to practice with than Maru. I'm sure he could organize a session of "Wreck-the-Creator" for good old time sake. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2825 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33183 Posts
It was a bit akin to like Armani's recent gsl semifinal run in that it felt somewhat anomalous and no one gave him any chance of winning the semis. Mostly he was a decent proleague rotation player but he was never a guaranteed starter. | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On July 28 2022 01:18 Nakajin wrote: I'm sure he could organize a session of "Wreck-the-Creator" for good old time sake. Trap would be the perfect partner for Maru to practice with, if he is around at all. Otherwise Zoun could be a good choice as well. | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On July 28 2022 02:03 RogerChillingworth wrote: herO on fire and maru lookin somewhat shaky recently. I'd say herO 4-2 or 4-3. You do know the last time Maru lost a Bo3 in TvP was last GSL right? And the last time he lost a Bo5 in TvP was to Zest in Super Tournament like 6months ago. I dont think hes that "shaky", unless he come up with some shitty weird build again. | ||
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Elentos
55458 Posts
On July 28 2022 02:31 tigera6 wrote: Trap would be the perfect partner for Maru to practice with, if he is around at all. Otherwise Zoun could be a good choice as well. Skill-wise if he's in shape (which I doubt) Trap might be the closest Protoss in Korea to herO's level, but he is on the totally opposite side of the Protoss player spectrum from herO. Same with Creator. Maru could test builds on them but he'd have no guarantee they'd work against herO's unhinged playstyle (and also his far better control). | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
On July 28 2022 02:03 RogerChillingworth wrote: herO on fire and maru lookin somewhat shaky recently. I'd say herO 4-2 or 4-3. Maru looked pretty damn strong last round vs Dark and just got 2nd at Valencia... herO is a tough matchup for sure, but Maru tends to stomp toss players in BO5s/7s. Edit: Head-to-head score vs herO is even more one-sided than I thought... In 2022, Maru is 4-0 in series and 9-4 in games. If you include 2021 and 2019, he is 7-0 in series and 16-5 in games. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24335 Posts
On July 28 2022 09:20 tskarzyn wrote: Maru looked pretty damn strong last round vs Dark and just got 2nd at Valencia... herO is a tough matchup for sure, but Maru tends to stomp toss players in BO5s/7s. Edit: Head-to-head score vs herO is even more one-sided than I thought... In 2022, Maru is 4-0 in series and 9-4 in games. If you include 2021 and 2019, he is 7-0 in series and 16-5 in games. Starting to regret Liquibettiny herO now… Still, I tend to do better when I’m going with my gut | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 28 2022 18:13 WombaT wrote: Starting to regret Liquibettiny herO now… Still, I tend to do better when I’m going with my gut yeah when i wasn't watching any sc2 at all i had my best liquibet season ever | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
edit: not much of a war, the leader of the opposition was assassinated in their sleep. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33183 Posts
On July 29 2022 05:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: Wax vs Pandemona, may the more passionate sc2 fan win the war of grand final threads! edit: not much of a war, the leader of the opposition was assassinated in their sleep. did u know anyone can post an LR thread or submit TL calendar events or edit Liquipedia?  | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
It's meant to be! | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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LoneYoShi
France1348 Posts
Hoping we get actual back and forth games and an interesting series, not a stomp ! | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 29 2022 11:07 Wrathsc2 wrote: really want both to win somehow yeah this is a tough one. I guess I will cheer for Maru because his G5L is long overdue and this might be the last chance for it, but herO winning would be insanely hype as well | ||
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BuqunSC2
China25 Posts
But whoever win, this final will be a end of a period. Whether it's g5l or the champion of protoss. Thank them for their performance | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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ScrappyRabbit
200 Posts
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tigera6
3219 Posts
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ScrappyRabbit
200 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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umelbumel
2026 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2022 18:40 The_Red_Viper wrote: I feel like it's mostly on herO to bring something special to the table here, let's see how it goes. Well, that's just how PvT works. Bring something special or lose to terran. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6805 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On July 29 2022 18:41 Durnuu wrote: Well, that's just how PvT works. Bring something special or lose to terran. Balance whining and the games haven't even started yet  | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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SEB2610
59 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:05 Durnuu wrote: Manly gates only vs manly no factory terran which race has the weak tier 1 units now? | ||
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SEB2610
59 Posts
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:06 SEB2610 wrote: immensely underwhelming game 1 — gsl finals are cursed "It wasn't a 30 minutes long game so it sucked". Damn filthy casuals. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:06 SEB2610 wrote: immensely underwhelming game 1 — gsl finals are cursed HE MADE A LOWGROUND GATEWAY IN THE SLOW ZONE AND TOOK MARUS GOLD. What more could you want from a game 1??? How whelmed do you need to be? | ||
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SEB2610
59 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:07 Durnuu wrote: "It wasn't a 30 minutes long game so it sucked". Damn filthy casuals. Has nothing to do with game length. hero had an interesting idea here but with maru misreading it so badly it just became a shitshow not an interesting match | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:07 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: HE MADE A LOWGROUND GATEWAY IN THE SLOW ZONE AND TOOK MARUS GOLD. What more could you want from a game 1??? How whelmed do you need to be? Protoss have to micro their zealots like if they were marines or they're just a dirty F2 race. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:07 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: HE MADE A LOWGROUND GATEWAY IN THE SLOW ZONE AND TOOK MARUS GOLD. What more could you want from a game 1??? How whelmed do you need to be? :D | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:08 SEB2610 wrote: Has nothing to do with game length. hero had an interesting idea here but with maru misreading it so badly it just became a shitshow not an interesting match So herO won with strategy instead of pure mechanics, sounds good to me in a STRATEGY GAME. Also, how on earth do you expect Maru to properly read what herO is doing when herO does something that has quite literally never been done at their level (although I supposed I haven't watched every ESL weekly cup). | ||
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SEB2610
59 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:10 Durnuu wrote: So herO won with strategy instead of pure mechanics, sounds good to me in a STRATEGY GAME. Also, how on earth do you expect Maru to properly read what herO is doing when herO does something that has quite literally never been done at their level (although I supposed I haven't watched every ESL weekly cup). Maru SCV scouts no nexus, double gas, sees core but doesnt bother to check placement of gate and if there’s a zealot being made hero didnt win maru threw | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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datscilly
United States528 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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darklycid
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:29 Charoisaur wrote: G5L is truly cursed Can't wait for Rogue to lose his G5L final as well. | ||
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:28 darklycid wrote: The widowmines built this game are just wasted money. Not at all. If Hero takes a fight on the mines he gets wiped out easily, and they're cheap zone control which is the most important part. Liberators are obviously the superior zone control unit and Maru needed those, but he just couldn't afford them with how damaged his economy was all game. | ||
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SEB2610
59 Posts
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
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Protossisastupidjoke
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User was banned for this post. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:29 lolfail9001 wrote: Can't wait for Rogue to lose his G5L final as well. The curse nullifies if Maru and Rogue meet again in the final next season. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:31 swarminfestor wrote: The curse nullifies if Maru and Rogue meet again in the final next season. Brackets will make sure they won't meet in the final | ||
Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:31 swarminfestor wrote: The curse nullifies if Maru and Rogue meet again in the final next season. The ceiling would just crush Maru and Rogue in a tragic accident. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Am I over-rating Maru / underrating herO to think that? | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:31 swarminfestor wrote: The curse nullifies if Maru and Rogue meet again in the final next season. they'll just both lose then | ||
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Javah
France739 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:35 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Is it weird that now that herO's 2-0 up, my gut is that the winning odds for the series are now 50-50? Am I over-rating Maru / underrating herO to think that? "When Maru is losing he's even etc." So far herO looks strategically stronger though | ||
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Waxangel
United States33183 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:36 tigera6 wrote: Maru mistake in game 2 was making too many Marauder, which are countered by the Immortal heavy army of herO. I understand he want Marauder against Storm, but they were butchered by 6-7 Immortal. he had no other choice due to his poor eco. Vs this Robo heavy play you need Libs but he couldn't afford them | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1434 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
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SEB2610
59 Posts
openings of g2 favored hero | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:35 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Is it weird that now that herO's 2-0 up, my gut is that the winning odds for the series are now 50-50? Am I over-rating Maru / underrating herO to think that? no way, this is a big advantage for herO, Maru is in trouble | ||
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:39 CicadaSC wrote: why people still favoring maru lol, herO has been 1-2 steps ahead this whole series. So far... And now Maru's ahead in game 3, so it's likely a 2-1 and that really doesn't look unwinnable. Especially since I think it's fair to say Maru would be the favorite going in. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
Almost looked like he had a seizure | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
As in, as bad as most GSL finals are. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:55 Charoisaur wrote: wtf was that by herO??? movecommanding his Collossi to their death and then firing all his Disruptors on the same spot?? Almost looked like he had a seizure Micro accident can happens sometimes. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
Sure. I just don't remember one that was this bad | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
Edit: How the hell did Maru kill 0 probes with 2 reaper in the main? | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2022 19:58 Charoisaur wrote: Sure. I just don't remember one that was this bad You don't remember Paralyze's recalls and time warps? I'm disappointed | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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umelbumel
2026 Posts
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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SunTurtle
156 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
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tigera6
3219 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:14 Schelim wrote: idgaf what anybody says, this is a fun finals Agreed, actually. But damn I want my boy Maru to take this. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:16 sudete wrote: Don't worry guys, nautilus will save maru Alas, he needs to win one game before 2 Nau 2 lus | ||
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:17 Creager wrote: I feel these days herO's playstyle is just so uniquely aggressive when comparing it to other Protoss players, just looking for every inch of ground he can get, any value unit he can pick off all the time. Yeah, he just knew how to abuse the spellcasters with his micro plays. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1434 Posts
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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dysenterymd
1176 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:18 Morbidius wrote: Maru looks so uninspired and tired of this game, weeks to prepare and looks like he ran into a protoss on ladder and decided to play standard. To be fair to Maru, I have no idea what sort of practice partners were available. Even the next best toss (Creator, Trap) play nothing like herO. Still probably should have had a few sharp builds against herO in his pocket though. | ||
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darklycid
3374 Posts
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33183 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:27 Creager wrote: How Nick still has pretty much full hair whereas Sean is super bald already, damn genetics are funny :D to be fair, there's a lot of other factors other than pure genetics involved when it comes to hair loss/retention but yeah, poor Sean and/or happy Nick | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:33 Die4Ever wrote: greedy widow mine drop and the unburrow Don't see it as greedy, it's better to be coinflipping in this situation than just defending and falling behind. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
I guess herO wins now | ||
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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Sorusaba
272 Posts
Maru  | ||
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
Jk, congrats her0. | ||
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ZombieGrub
United States692 Posts
Aw I really wanted a game 7 ): | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
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darklycid
3374 Posts
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
Poor Maru, never G5L | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12018 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3414 Posts
Well deserved win, completely new playstyle in every match-up. | ||
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samAel1
Poland26 Posts
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SEB2610
59 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
....gg herO | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
PRTOSS GG (poor Maru lol) | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:55 neutralrobot wrote: herO's playing great, but I see some of this stuff and remember how annoyed I am with protoss design in SC2. Yeah same vibe. Protoss gross, herO played great. GG herO! + Show Spoiler + | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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SEB2610
59 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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Penev
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:55 neutralrobot wrote: herO's playing great, but I see some of this stuff and remember how annoyed I am with protoss design in SC2. Yeah same, every time I see a warp-in-and-forget Zealot runby rally during lategame I have some puke inside my mouth, not to take anything away from herO's performance, he's just using the tools he's been handed :D | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49817 Posts
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:56 Vindicare605 wrote: Just saying. herO won a code S before Trap did. He was a relevant player before Trap was, so it makes sense | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:57 Creager wrote: Yeah same, every time I see a warp-in-and-forget Zealot runby rally during lategame I have some puke inside my mouth, not to take anything away from herO's performance, he's just using the tools he's been handed :D Well, people praised ByuN for shift queuing liberators in 2016, it's not that much different. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49817 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33183 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:58 BLinD-RawR wrote: wait what? its been 5 years since protoss won GSL? Code S yea, but they've won Super Tournaments | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49817 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:59 Die4Ever wrote: Code S yea, but they've won Super Tournaments aka consolation prize, oh I'm sure the money was good. | ||
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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dysenterymd
1176 Posts
Guess military isn't a career death sentence, I hope Classic returns to form too. Rogue is probably getting G5L, I think he's immune to curses. | ||
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Beelzebub1
1004 Posts
Congratulations Hero, feels good to have a Protoss champion again! | ||
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:55 SEB2610 wrote: Protoss has won 100 percent of the recent GSL — nerfs when?? And with Super Tournament coming up, we're going to see Protoss win that too as it historically favors them. I'm expecting more and more Protoss will try (and mostly fail but get some success) copying hero's style in the near future. Blizz should give Terran some buff in dealing with that. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:58 BLinD-RawR wrote: wait what? its been 5 years since protoss won GSL? Yea also just the third time in GSL history that protoss won a pvt final | ||
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:57 Durnuu wrote: He was a relevant player before Trap was, so it makes sense Not the point. The point is, Protoss was in a really horrific spot a little while ago when Trap was their only championship caliber player because Trap has a mental fortitude problem that costs him on big stages, it has happened time and time again. If Trap was the only hope, Protoss wasn't going to win anything. herO retired, did his miltiary service, came back and won Code S before Trap could manage it, because herO has a champion's mentality. Furthermore, herO's success is final proof (even though we had already plenty of evidence from Byun, DRG and Gumiho) that SC2 pros can do their military service and still come back strong enough to compete at the top level. That's good news for Protoss who has a bunch of their best players either in the military or just coming back from it. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33183 Posts
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On July 29 2022 21:09 Vindicare605 wrote: Not the point. The point is, Protoss was in a really horrific spot a little while ago when Trap was their only championship caliber player because Trap has a mental fortitude problem that costs him on big stages, it has happened time and time again. If Trap was the only hope, Protoss wasn't going to win anything. herO retired, did his miltiary service, came back and won Code S before Trap could manage it, because herO has a champion's mentality. I don’t think it is as simple as that though, Trap has faced top zergs in the most imbalanced era of LotV so tough luck. herO has achieved what Zest could not even though Zest also has a champion’s mentality | ||
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Starecat
934 Posts
Congrats to herO though. | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
1) 2 base pull the boiz 2) sit on tanks/libs for 30 minutes and try to defend 2 bases+, maybe do some drop play if you are bored. it this all that is? am I missing something? | ||
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
On July 29 2022 21:09 Waxangel wrote: Hopefully this tilts Maru into playing Protoss in TSL9; it's rumored to be quite good :0 He should go for random as this would save him partially from having to face EU Zergs in their most-practiced matchup. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 29 2022 21:11 xsnac wrote: I am genuinely curious how the meta evolved in such a way that Terrans have only 2 choices: 1) 2 base pull the boiz 2) sit on tanks/libs for 30 minutes and try to defend 2 bases+, maybe do some drop play if you are bored. it this all that is? am I missing something? no that was just this series. TvP usually doesn't look like this. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2022 21:11 xsnac wrote: I am genuinely curious how the meta evolved in such a way that Terrans have only 2 choices: 1) 2 base pull the boiz 2) sit on tanks/libs for 30 minutes and try to defend 2 bases+, maybe do some drop play if you are bored. it this all that is? am I missing something? Honestly, it was just Maru this series. Terran usually has a lot options (to mention just one: proxying anything). | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On July 29 2022 21:11 xsnac wrote: I am genuinely curious how the meta evolved in such a way that Terrans have only 2 choices: 1) 2 base pull the boiz 2) sit on tanks/libs for 30 minutes and try to defend 2 bases+, maybe do some drop play if you are bored. it this all that is? am I missing something? Yeah, its been this way at the top level for quite some time. But you need insane awareness and micro as Protoss to pull that off and herO got both easily. Other Protoss will likely not having enough unit to defend the 3rd, or lose Probe to mine drop, and get smashed by Terran push. Its like people crying that Ghost is OP in lategame TvZ but only Maru has been able to pull it off frequently enough. Only herO can do what the hes doing with the Toss at the moment. | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On July 29 2022 21:22 tigera6 wrote: Yeah, its been this way at the top level for quite some time. But you need insane awareness and micro as Protoss to pull that off and herO got both easily. Other Protoss will likely not having enough unit to defend the 3rd, or lose Probe to mine drop, and get smashed by Terran push. Its like people crying that Ghost is OP in lategame TvZ but only Maru has been able to pull it off frequently enough. Only herO can do what the hes doing with the Toss at the moment. MaxPax does the same kind of stuff but since he only plays online he won’t get near the same level of glory | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On July 29 2022 21:11 xsnac wrote: I am genuinely curious how the meta evolved in such a way that Terrans have only 2 choices: 1) 2 base pull the boiz 2) sit on tanks/libs for 30 minutes and try to defend 2 bases+, maybe do some drop play if you are bored. it this all that is? am I missing something? Has been this way for years, when Terran starts the third CC he's conceding defeat pretty much. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 29 2022 21:22 tigera6 wrote: Yeah, its been this way at the top level for quite some time. But you need insane awareness and micro as Protoss to pull that off and herO got both easily. Other Protoss will likely not having enough unit to defend the 3rd, or lose Probe to mine drop, and get smashed by Terran push. Its like people crying that Ghost is OP in lategame TvZ but only Maru has been able to pull it off frequently enough. Only herO can do what the hes doing with the Toss at the moment. I mean the 2nd scenario he described with Tank / Lib turtle just isn't a thing at pro level, Maru is the only one who sometimes tries this but with relatively low success. The meta at the moment is just to play an active style with Bio Viking Ghost where you eventually get the jump on the Disruptors with a flank or surround and then win the game. Turtling against Protoss doesn't work | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On July 29 2022 21:30 Charoisaur wrote: I mean the 2nd scenario he described with Tank / Lib turtle just isn't a thing at pro level, Maru is the only one who sometimes tries this but with relatively low success. The meta at the moment is just to play an active style with Bio Viking Ghost where you eventually get the jump on the Disruptors with a flank or surround and then win the game. Turtling against Protoss doesn't work There just isnt a really good options against what herO is doing though imo. He will go early Blink to fight off mine drop/harrassment then went Charge/Storm Archon which means any 2 base Terran push wont kill the 3rd base. Then he move into double Robo Disruptor and adding Immortal/Colossi to really push the Terran army backward. Terran will be turtling whether they want it or not until they have the army to fight back, while Protoss is feee to take 2-3 bases and start to get ahead. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On July 29 2022 21:30 Charoisaur wrote: I mean the 2nd scenario he described with Tank / Lib turtle just isn't a thing at pro level, Maru is the only one who sometimes tries this but with relatively low success. The meta at the moment is just to play an active style with Bio Viking Ghost where you eventually get the jump on the Disruptors with a flank or surround and then win the game. Turtling against Protoss doesn't work There is a gameplan where it can work, but it's a hail mary play involving Battlecruiser hit squads. I have seen it work, albeit not for a long time and not on this map pool. It's definitely NOT ideal. Maru was playing far too conservatively not just in the last game but throughout the entire series. You can give him a break for game 1, because that was just filth and herO was massively all in on it. But in games 2,4 and 5 Maru was just committed to playing very conservatively giving herO all of the choices in the match up. | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On July 29 2022 21:40 Vindicare605 wrote: There is a gameplan where it can work, but it's a hail mary play involving Battlecruiser hit squads. I have seen it work, albeit not for a long time and not on this map pool. It's definitely NOT ideal. Maru was playing far too conservatively not just in the last game but throughout the entire series. You can give him a break for game 1, because that was just filth and herO was massively all in on it. But in games 2,4 and 5 Maru was just committed to playing very conservatively giving herO all of the choices in the match up. Maru consistently pulled SCV which is probably the most aggro thing Terran can do other than 1 base all-in. herO just defend it so well with his build and control | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 29 2022 21:39 tigera6 wrote: There just isnt a really good options against what herO is doing though imo. He will go early Blink to fight off mine drop/harrassment then went Charge/Storm Archon which means any 2 base Terran push wont kill the 3rd base. Then he move into double Robo Disruptor and adding Immortal/Colossi to really push the Terran army backward. Terran will be turtling whether they want it or not until they have the army to fight back, while Protoss is feee to take 2-3 bases and start to get ahead. Yeah his style seems really strong. I'm curious how the terrans will adapt to this if it becomes meta. edit: I guess just playing greedier in the early game instead of going for a 2 base push could be good | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Z > P > T > Z... Ah, balance is finally restored! (just kidding on that last one, Zerg still da master race m****f****rs!) | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1060 Posts
On July 29 2022 20:59 Creager wrote: So who's gonna resurrect Mvp to take a shot at G5L? We could do a kickstarter to fund some bionic wrists maybe aww hell yeah! take my money  bionic wrists for Mvp's G5L and to patch up the balance at the highest level | ||
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TossHeroes
281 Posts
Totally outclass Maru We believe in Rogue in this quest for G5L | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On July 29 2022 21:44 Charoisaur wrote: Yeah his style seems really strong. I'm curious how the terrans will adapt to this if it becomes meta. edit: I guess just playing greedier in the early game instead of going for a 2 base push could be good Might sound crazy, but I think the counter to this is Banshee. Instead of gettting 10 tanks and 6-7 libs, get 7-8 Banshee out with speed and cloak that can both harrass and support the Bio units very well. But yeah, I just speaking out of my ass and somebody need to put that into the work. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Protoss eventually topping a big event and herO winning his first code S title is exactly what I wanted to see. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6805 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24335 Posts
For better or worse it did seem Maru showed up without a huge amount up his sleeve in terms of sneaky prep. Just play solid isn’t a bad plan if you’re well, Maru but that didn’t seem to cut the mustard today. Biased fanboy in me hopes that despite failing to break that GSL curse, people don’t sleep on how good Trap was there for the last few years. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On July 29 2022 22:34 tigera6 wrote: Might sound crazy, but I think the counter to this is Banshee. Instead of gettting 10 tanks and 6-7 libs, get 7-8 Banshee out with speed and cloak that can both harrass and support the Bio units very well. But yeah, I just speaking out of my ass and somebody need to put that into the work. Banshees are okay, but I still think having more Libs are more beneficial in long run. Knowing herO as masterclass in microing spellcasters, he will tag Banshees using Oracles or feedbacks using HT to forbid Cloak thus reducing Banshee's health. That's how he did to Maru's Ghosts or Ravens a couple of times today to render them mostly ineffective, not often as other Protoss players did if I can recall. | ||
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Poaktree
165 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On July 29 2022 22:48 swarminfestor wrote: Banshees are okay, but I still think having more Libs are more beneficial in long run. Knowing herO as masterclass in microing spellcasters, he will tag Banshees using Oracles or feedbacks using HT to forbid Cloak thus reducing Banshee's health. That's how he did to Maru's Ghosts or Ravens a couple of times today to render them mostly ineffective, not often as other Protoss players did if I can recall. The problem with Libs is that they are immobile just like tanks, and against the Protoss with supreme micro like herO they are dead weight without the Bio Support. Maru literally cant move out of his base because the Tanks and Libs are useless in the middle of the map, getting baited and out-positioned easily. You need units that can deal damage and can be mobile enough to pull back or move elsewhere, Banshee and BC with teleport fits this well. Even if they dont deal damage, they can run, Libs and Tanks cant. | ||
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Moonerz
United States442 Posts
The crowd size, crowd hype, all the cool little drawings and cheers, really felt like the clock had been turned back. Great games by herO really awesome to see a toss champ. Man that was just amazing to see all of that in 2022. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3322 Posts
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
I don't know if it's that joy that's biasing my judgement, but it felt like a great finals despite 4-1 scoreline too. | ||
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Husyelt
United States823 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4165 Posts
great story  GGs! | ||
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Elentos
55458 Posts
On July 30 2022 00:26 M3t4PhYzX wrote: Oldest GSL winner for sure, right? great story GGs! Actually older than Nestea was the last time he won GSL. So yeah, herO has put up another record. | ||
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Topin
Peru10041 Posts
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
happy that hero/protoss finally got a GSL championship for the first time in 5 years but really starting to think Maru's got a problem in big games. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 30 2022 01:22 renaissanceMAN wrote: so fucking annoyed happy that hero/protoss finally got a GSL championship for the first time in 5 years but really starting to think Maru's got a problem in big games. Yeah man I'm sure the guy with the most starleague wins in the korean sc2 scene has issues with big games. | ||
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dysenterymd
1176 Posts
On July 30 2022 01:59 Durnuu wrote: Yeah man I'm sure the guy with the most starleague wins in the korean sc2 scene has issues with big games. Maru's lost some big finals in the past few years, but it's basically always been a combination of his opponent being really good and or preparing super well. Maru honestly seems to have more "mentality" issues in earlier rounds where he occasionally goes for bizarre builds against worse opponents/has whack vetos. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19205 Posts
On July 30 2022 01:59 Durnuu wrote: Yeah man I'm sure the guy with the most starleague wins in the korean sc2 scene has issues with big games. I'd argue Bisu, the greatest Protoss from SC1, has the same issue. Won 3 MSL, multiple proleagues, and still seems like he has issues in the big moments over the past 12 years of his career. It doesn't take away from the players skill level or talents. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 30 2022 01:22 renaissanceMAN wrote: so fucking annoyed happy that hero/protoss finally got a GSL championship for the first time in 5 years but really starting to think Maru's got a problem in big games. There have been times where I felt Maru choked (mainly his finals against Rogue, but also the few games where he lost due to an incomplete wall) but today I think he played pretty well and did the best he could do - herO was just on fire today. | ||
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Elentos
55458 Posts
Now compare that to the last 3 finals, though especially the ones against Rogue and herO. Maru had basically no initiative. His opponents dictated the flow of those matches and read him like a book. On July 29 2022 22:41 WombaT wrote: Biased fanboy in me hopes that despite failing to break that GSL curse, people don’t sleep on how good Trap was there for the last few years. Trap was really good but honestly herO this season was just different. He had a certain flair or aura that the last Protoss GSL finalists all didn't really have. It was just very believable that he would win GSL this season from the start and I never got that feeling with Trap. | ||
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angry_maia
301 Posts
For example, in game 4, Hero was well ahead, but then took a pretty bad engage up a ramp. Didn't end up being enough for Maru to win, but I think he probably thought things like this would happen a lot. As it turned out, the early game shenanigans always worked out reasonably well for Hero, and his play was just solid enough to convert almost every time he had a lead (except for that terrible attack in game 3 where he lost his entire army). | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
EDIT: I doubted him a lot here, and though Maru would win convincingly, but never-the-less, herO definitely gave off a good amount of that winner's sparkle. Redefining the meta for a matchup helped there, as did his frequent insane comebacks. | ||
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dysenterymd
1176 Posts
On July 30 2022 03:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Trap may have been an all-round very solid player, but I also didn't ever feel like he really seemed to have it in him to win things like blizzcon or GSL. I never felt he had... whatever combination of things beyond just being good at the game in a ladder-play-esque sense it is that players like MVP and Rogue have in spades. The championship winners spark? The clutchness? Plot armor? IDK what it is exactly, but it seemed to elude Trap. EDIT: I doubted him a lot here, and though Maru would win convincingly, but never-the-less, herO definitely gave off a good amount of that winner's sparkle. Redefining the meta for a matchup helped there, as did his frequent insane comebacks. It's sad because in some (smaller, admittedly) tournaments Trap really showed a huge amount of clutchness, like in his comebacks from 1-3 against Serral/Reynor in last chance and TSL. He just hasn't been able to show that in the biggest tournaments yet. Still hoping for him to win a big tournament, but with military service coming up time is running out. | ||
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TossHeroes
281 Posts
On July 30 2022 03:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Trap may have been an all-round very solid player, but I also didn't ever feel like he really seemed to have it in him to win things like blizzcon or GSL. I never felt he had... whatever combination of things beyond just being good at the game in a ladder-play-e be sense it is that players like MVP and Rogue have in spades. The championship winners spark? The clutchness? Plot armor? IDK what it is exactly, but it seemed to elude Trap. EDIT: I doubted him a lot here, and though Maru would win convincingly, but never-the-less, herO definitely gave off a good amount of that winner's sparkle. Redefining the meta for a matchup helped there, as did his frequent insane comebacks. Trap was basically a poor man Stats Mainly plays a safe predictable standard style. Just not as rock solid as Stats overall | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On July 30 2022 04:39 TossHeroes wrote: Trap was basically a poor man Stats Mainly plays a safe predictable standard style. Just not as rock solid as Stats overall Being standard solid is a no-go for protoss. Rain was the definition of solid for protoss yet when he played sc2 he was not dominating. The race playstyle is not good for standard play. Yes he had success but he never made mistakes and still wasn't winning everything. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Revenge is sweet, especially because it was Maru of all people that got smacked | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On July 30 2022 03:25 Elentos wrote: Now compare that to the last 3 finals, though especially the ones against Rogue and herO. Maru had basically no initiative. His opponents dictated the flow of those matches and read him like a book. Agree On July 30 2022 03:25 Elentos wrote: Trap was really good but honestly herO this season was just different. He had a certain flair or aura that the last Protoss GSL finalists all didn't really have. It was just very believable that he would win GSL this season from the start and I never got that feeling with Trap. Agree again | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On July 30 2022 06:51 AzAlexZ wrote: Just watched the replay and as a Protoss player, it was satisfying seeing herO dominate a final and completely smack the other race like they've smacked Protoss in GSL finals in the last 5 years. Revenge is sweet, especially because it was Maru of all people that got smacked Must feel good man, huh? Amazing play by herO and like always I love to see the smiling assassin smile :D | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 30 2022 03:25 Elentos wrote: At most I'd argue that Maru's approach to series planning for GSL finals seems to have changed (gone downhill) at some point since winning his 4th. Back in his 1st against Stats, Maru used various funky builds that weren't exactly commonplace in the meta. Against TY (the first time), he proxied 5 times in 7 games. Maru managed to dictate the overall pace for all of those finals and other than against TY his wins were never in doubt. Now compare that to the last 3 finals, though especially the ones against Rogue and herO. Maru had basically no initiative. His opponents dictated the flow of those matches and read him like a book. Trap was really good but honestly herO this season was just different. He had a certain flair or aura that the last Protoss GSL finalists all didn't really have. It was just very believable that he would win GSL this season from the start and I never got that feeling with Trap. Maybe Maru was indeed reliant on the Jin Air teamhouse preparation | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
On July 30 2022 03:25 Elentos wrote: Trap was really good but honestly herO this season was just different. He had a certain flair or aura that the last Protoss GSL finalists all didn't really have. It was just very believable that he would win GSL this season from the start and I never got that feeling with Trap. Trap never got a chance to play a Terran in any of his GSL finals. He had the misfortune of playing Rogue/Dark everytime despite making 4 finals. If Dark beats Maru I highly doubt hero wins this finals. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24335 Posts
On July 30 2022 03:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Trap may have been an all-round very solid player, but I also didn't ever feel like he really seemed to have it in him to win things like blizzcon or GSL. I never felt he had... whatever combination of things beyond just being good at the game in a ladder-play-esque sense it is that players like MVP and Rogue have in spades. The championship winners spark? The clutchness? Plot armor? IDK what it is exactly, but it seemed to elude Trap. EDIT: I doubted him a lot here, and though Maru would win convincingly, but never-the-less, herO definitely gave off a good amount of that winner's sparkle. Redefining the meta for a matchup helped there, as did his frequent insane comebacks. I think, with some exceptions some of that perception is formed more after the fact. Was it a lack of that clutch factor or was it merely Trap having to play Rogue/Dark with prep time in a pretty rough PvZ meta? Even when he was winning a bunch, making finals, setting the record Ro8 run etc I still felt were downplaying quite how good these achievements, I just don’t want them completely wiped out now herO’s got the monkey off the Protoss Nor do I wanna derail herO’s glorious achievements! I think the major difference between now and then is this much more entertaining and seemingly effective approach to PvZ that herO’s crafted. As a Protoss fan/general neutral long may it continue. Partly enabled by patches, partly a result of smart strategic experimentation on herO’s part. It certainly feels a lot more hopeful. Purely from a feeling/intuition level I give a Protoss (well, herO) a shot against Dark/Rogue in extended series, whereas previously I felt for Protoss to have a shot at winning they basically had to avoid facing either of them in a finals. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On July 30 2022 03:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Trap may have been an all-round very solid player, but I also didn't ever feel like he really seemed to have it in him to win things like blizzcon or GSL. I never felt he had... whatever combination of things beyond just being good at the game in a ladder-play-esque sense it is that players like MVP and Rogue have in spades. The championship winners spark? The clutchness? Plot armor? IDK what it is exactly, but it seemed to elude Trap. People say that, but Hero didn't win this GSL during the nadir of PvZ where Trap was struggling alone. And it's also worth remembering that Hero didn't go to the military until what, December of 2019? Protoss wasn't winning much back then either, despite having him and Stats and Classic and Sos and all those players whose absence is sometimes attributed for Protoss' period of poor results. Well, Trap was in this GSL and he got eliminated in the group stages, so I guess that's as good an argument as any if you want to put the blame on Trap, but for myself I'm pretty skeptical that he would have saved us in the age of the Queen Walks. Whatever the actual reason was, Trap was the one who carried Protoss through the dark times, and I've got to respect him for that. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 30 2022 08:22 Fanatic-Templar wrote: People say that, but Hero didn't win this GSL during the nadir of PvZ where Trap was struggling alone. And it's also worth remembering that Hero didn't go to the military until what, December of 2019? Protoss wasn't winning much back then either, despite having him and Stats and Classic and Sos and all those players whose absence is sometimes attributed for Protoss' period of poor results. Well, Trap was in this GSL and he got eliminated in the group stages, so I guess that's as good an argument as any if you want to put the blame on Trap, but for myself I'm pretty skeptical that he would have saved us in the age of the Queen Walks. Whatever the actual reason was, Trap was the one who carried Protoss through the dark times, and I've got to respect him for that. Yeah I also think Trap was just unlucky he peaked during a time in which balance was really bad for Protoss. He still had an insane run but against Dark/Rogue with prep time in the previous Zerg favored meta there just wasn't any way for him to win. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 30 2022 08:40 Charoisaur wrote: Yeah I also think Trap was just unlucky he peaked during a time in which balance was really bad for Protoss. He still had an insane run but against Dark/Rogue with prep time in the previous Zerg favored meta there just wasn't any way for him to win. Trap wasn't at his peak yet when he faced Dark the first time in 2019 and was obliterated by one of the direst PvZ meta later in S3 that year. However, it would seem weird not to judge Trap the favorite or at least having an even chance when he reached the Code S finals in 2021 after having won six tournaments in the previous six months. Trap choked hard during that series and apparently never recovered from that loss... | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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tigera6
3219 Posts
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Moonerz
United States442 Posts
On July 30 2022 06:18 xsnac wrote: Being standard solid is a no-go for protoss. Rain was the definition of solid for protoss yet when he played sc2 he was not dominating. The race playstyle is not good for standard play. Yes he had success but he never made mistakes and still wasn't winning everything. Winning everything is a crazy high bar. Obviously the game was different back then but winning 2 star leagues is pretty damn good for a "solid no-go". Strategy diversity helps of course but its not like standard macro toss has never been effective. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36951 Posts
Congrats to herO and Protoss though. The 5 year drought is over! | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13967 Posts
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Elentos
55458 Posts
On July 30 2022 07:59 JJH777 wrote: Trap never got a chance to play a Terran in any of his GSL finals. He had the misfortune of playing Rogue/Dark everytime despite making 4 finals. If Dark beats Maru I highly doubt hero wins this finals. I was not talking about just the finals, but the whole season. I had the feeling herO could win this season since the first group stage. I didn't get that with Creator, Zest, Trap, Stats, Classic or sOs. To Trap's credit he eventually got to the point where I was expecting him to get to the finals and then lose (Protoss soO style?) whereas all the other Protoss finalists I was kind of expecting to lose before the finals. | ||
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IndyO
390 Posts
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
On July 28 2022 18:13 WombaT wrote: Starting to regret Liquibettiny herO now… Still, I tend to do better when I’m going with my gut your gut was right lol, holy cow that was a stomp | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
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Antithesis
Germany1096 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3096 Posts
I really don't think Maru played badly, btw, he looked very fierce with his micro and macro and even decision-making. Clearly, though, from his gameplans he very much underestimated herO. He played basically the way you play against a player you see as clearly worse than you in terms of execution and mindset and endurance. He seems to have expected herO to be more of a standard 1-dimensional cheesy/aggressive player, probably with some nerves and mindset issues from being close to his first GSL win, who would attack into him and then crumble if he was able to successfully defend and counterattack. Then when herO actually showed the ability to do clutch holds and keep up a high degree of execution and not choke and do macro, he tried to adjust his approach in real time and go for more of the endurance play. HerO just looked very good all-around, though, so lots of credit to him. I'm sure if Maru did a finals against him again he would have a very different approach. Again, though, above all else: woooooooooooooo! | ||
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Jaeger
United States1150 Posts
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angry_maia
301 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4492 Posts
Man congratulations to herO for ending it AFTER military at his age while reinventing, and reinvigorating the meta in all matchups. Amazing achievement. What a breath of fresh air. I really enjoyed his storm drops this series and the make or break aspect of his disruptor usage. Congratulations herO and congratulations protoss! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24335 Posts
On July 31 2022 04:35 Jaeger wrote: Hero's play makes you want to go out and try to copy it and fail miserably because it's way too hard to execute like he does. The perfect standard bearer for the race. Just play like herO… | ||
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angry_maia
301 Posts
On July 31 2022 08:35 FataLe wrote: The drought is over! Man congratulations to herO for ending it AFTER military at his age while reinventing, and reinvigorating the meta in all matchups. Amazing achievement. What a breath of fresh air. I really enjoyed his storm drops this series and the make or break aspect of his disruptor usage. Congratulations herO and congratulations protoss! I was just about to make a post about how storm is never used anymore! Useless Pvp, and just subsumed by disruptors in the other matchups other. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1669 Posts
So happy herO got a title, he was so incredibly innovative all season | ||
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