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Durnuu
13320 Posts
 Oh apparently not, winner of Rogue vs Creator plays Trap no matter what. Huh EDIT2: artosis lied to me | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1107 Posts
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Durnuu
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Edit: Like I was saying, this is the best match in GSL history | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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darklycid
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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darklycid
3510 Posts
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umelbumel
2026 Posts
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On April 25 2022 19:10 darklycid wrote: Rogue rly fucked that up. were Mutas the wrong choice? Or should he have tried to baserace instead of defending the push? | ||
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darklycid
3510 Posts
On April 25 2022 19:12 Charoisaur wrote: were Mutas the wrong choice? Or should he have tried to baserace instead of defending the push? He shouldnt have sacced an army for a cancel on the 4th imo. That's why the counter hit him so hard i think. | ||
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darklycid
3510 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On April 25 2022 19:25 Charoisaur wrote: so difficult to judge how hard the Zerg commits to Mutas and not under- or overpreparing For sure. Though I think you should make a Fleet Beacon no matter what (Creator didn't and that was his key mistake there imo), without range you have no shot if commits hard and if he doesn't commit hard you're better off for lategame anyway since it opens up Carriers (or even void ray speed if he goes corruptors) | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On April 25 2022 19:47 Nakajin wrote: Anyone here hasthe slightess bit of investment in DRG-Ragnarok? If they keep playing boring games like this, I won't have any | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
EDIT: it wasn't bad, but unfortunately it's as good as over at this point EDIT2: OR IS IT | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Impressed by Creator. Always love seeing Rogue play Muta. It feels like his mutas never stand still for a second. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On April 25 2022 19:47 Nakajin wrote: Anyone here hasthe slightess bit of investment in DRG-Ragnarok? Absolutely none. Possibly the worst possible matchup that could've come out from both RO10 groups. Maybe I'll turn back the stream later just to catch the last match. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25331 Posts
On April 25 2022 20:05 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Just watched Rogue - Creator. Impressed by Creator. Always love seeing Rogue play Muta. It feels like his mutas never stand still for a second. Yeah Creator played pretty well, Rogue is just well, Rogue | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On April 25 2022 20:10 WombaT wrote: Yeah Creator played pretty well, Rogue is just well, Rogue People often underrate Rogue and downplay his success until he's going up against their favorite player | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
And with how terrible broodlords are in ZvZ it's really quite a waste of money | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
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umelbumel
2026 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On April 25 2022 20:18 RKC wrote: Still not sold on the Creator hype. Yes, he's played quite solid and sharp so far. But he lacks the clutchness to take down the truly top players (Rogue, Dark and Trap). Would've been more exciting if hero had advanced. Although still rusty, hero has the Zest-like clown fiesta chaos style that could really squash bugs. He beat Maru in the RO10. And although he's not quite the same level as Dark / Rogue, beating Solar before that was also pretty good. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On April 25 2022 20:18 RKC wrote: Still not sold on the Creator hype. Yes, he's played quite solid and sharp so far. But he lacks the clutchness to take down the truly top players (Rogue, Dark and Trap). Would've been more exciting if hero had advanced. Although still rusty, hero has the Zest-like clown fiesta chaos style that could really squash bugs. While I don't disagree, the Creator hype mostly comes from the fact he was a massive (and i mean MASSIVE) punching ball in GSL for the past 7+ years, and now he's actually looking like a good protoss, even though he's probably not the protoss savior either. It's an insane improvement considering how bad he was looking in those 7+ years. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On April 25 2022 20:18 RKC wrote: Still not sold on the Creator hype. Yes, he's played quite solid and sharp so far. But he lacks the clutchness to take down the truly top players (Rogue, Dark and Trap). Would've been more exciting if hero had advanced. Although still rusty, hero has the Zest-like clown fiesta chaos style that could really squash bugs. going from being the ro32 punching bag to 'not quite able to beat the championship tier players' is a significant step up though. enough to get me hyped at least | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25331 Posts
Plus on the Protoss scale he’s a pretty straight up macro player, so stylistically I’ve been liking some of his play. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On April 25 2022 20:24 Charoisaur wrote: going from being the ro32 punching bag to 'not quite able to beat the championship tier players' is a significant step up though. enough to get me hyped at least I was gonna say "Last year he didn't even make ro32" but then I remembered that Code A was the real ro32 anyway | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Unfortunately, a Stats-like Toss will just get slaughtered by Zergs in the current meta (as in the last 2-3 years). So yes, I'm all for Aiur, but I'm just slightly peeved that he's standing in the way of other Toss bros that stand a better chance in breaking the Toss GSL drought (Trap, hero, Classic). Nothing personal, just being pragmatic. Edit: in other words, he's just not the hero that Aiur needs right now. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Genuinely liking his play this whole GSL. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On April 25 2022 20:47 Durnuu wrote: And once again, we see ling/bane/ravager just killing everything protoss has on the ground And again... | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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Charoisaur
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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umelbumel
2026 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
GG Creator. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On April 25 2022 21:34 Durnuu wrote: Took 10 archons to kill a tier one army supported by 4 broods, phew the game is balanced finally tiers are pretty meaningless in sc2. Ravagers and Banes are extremely gas intensive, so it's not like it's a cheap army either | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25331 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On April 25 2022 21:34 Durnuu wrote: Took 10 archons to kill a tier one army supported by 4 broods, phew the game is balanced finally u know he completely annihilated that army  | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
He was actually fairly close to losing, his archons were extremely low on shields at the end. If Ragnarok had taken the fight in a better spot and not where Creator could get a 180 surround like this, Creator probably would have lost the fight. On April 25 2022 21:35 Charoisaur wrote: tiers are pretty meaningless in sc2. Ravagers and Banes are extremely gas intensive, so it's not like it's a cheap army either Well Ragnarok had about 10 ravagers which is 1000 gas, which leaves room for 80 banelings to equal the gas cost of archons. That's not counting immortals and stalkers, of course. It's massively cheaper than Creator's army, let's be real. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On April 25 2022 21:42 opterown wrote: Who's favoured Trap vs. Creator and Dark vs. Rogue? I don't know. All I know is that we will have a 4:0 finals | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Congrats to Creator, the biggest baller in all of Starcraft! | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On April 25 2022 21:44 Charoisaur wrote: I don't know. All I know is that we will have a 4:0 finals Close enough. But 4-1 seems more likely because: (a) Rogue is Bane - enjoys giving his enemies false hope; or (b) Dark is Joker - enjoys playing with his food. | ||
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tigera6
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 25 2022 22:01 RKC wrote: Close enough. But 4-1 seems more likely because: (a) Rogue is Bane - enjoys giving his enemies false hope; or (b) Dark is Joker - enjoys playing with his food. Yes but Creator is Batman... or at least like Robin | ||
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catplanetcatplanet
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Poopi
France12883 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7298 Posts
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angry_maia
314 Posts
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ImmortalGhost
United States57 Posts
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-KG-
Denmark1215 Posts
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tigera6
3397 Posts
On April 26 2022 02:32 angry_maia wrote: I think trap might have a better shot against rogue than dark. Like maybe 15 percent v rogue and 10 percent v dark. That sound like a difference between a 4-0 and 4-1 to me. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
On April 26 2022 05:32 Pandain wrote: Trap is favored against Rogue lol. People still don't recognize how bad Rogue is at ZvP in the last two years? How about the winrate of PvZ in the GSL finals over the past 7 years? | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2226 Posts
On April 26 2022 05:32 Pandain wrote: Trap is favored against Rogue lol. People still don't recognize how bad Rogue is at ZvP in the last two years? If you think a non-Zerg is favoured to win any big tournament, at all, you've been living under a rock for, what, the last 6 years? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On April 26 2022 06:05 BisuDagger wrote: How about the winrate of PvZ in the GSL finals over the past 7 years? I'm sure Dark will be favored vs either but trap has like a 65% win rate vs rogue in the last two years. That's an insane statistic, and they've played a lot On April 26 2022 07:27 SharkStarcraft wrote: If you think a non-Zerg is favoured to win any big tournament, at all, you've been living under a rock for, what, the last 6 years? That's not what I said. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
On April 26 2022 09:00 Pandain wrote: I'm sure Dark will be favored vs either but trap has like a 65% win rate vs rogue in the last two years. That's an insane statistic, and they've played a lot That's not what I said. We are playing the odds that the GSL curse against Protoss far out weighs any statistics supporting Trap. You bring up a great point if this was anything but the GSL finals. | ||
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dysenterymd
1237 Posts
On April 26 2022 09:16 BisuDagger wrote: We are playing the odds that the GSL curse against Protoss far out weighs any statistics supporting Trap. You bring up a great point if this was anything but the GSL finals. I don't put much stock in curses (even though they're fun to joke about), my concern for Trap is more how badly he played in his last GSL final against Dark. He went from winning most clashes with Dark in the few months leading up to the finals to looking hopelessly outmatched. Trap has shown some great mental strength and clutch performances in other grand finals (DHM Last Chance against Serral in 2020 and TSL7 against Reynor), but not in a GSL finals. Trap is also pretty weak to Zerg cheese and I can see Rogue exploiting the hell out of that. Still, I think Trap could beat Rogue or even Dark. I wouldn't bet on it but I don't think it's super unlikely. But if Trap loses, it'll be a 4-0 or a 4-1. | ||
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Husyelt
United States832 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24202 Posts
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RKC
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