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[GSL 2022] Code S - Ro10 Group A - Day 2

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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 17 2022 19:12 GMT
#1

GSL Code S


Monday, Apr 18 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

(Wiki)Global StarCraft II League/2022/Season 1

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Artosis - Tasteless

Format

  • Group Stage 1:
  • Dual Tournament Format.
  • All matches are Bo3.
  • Top 2 players of each group advance to the Group Stage 2.

      Map Pool



Group A


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(T)ByuN vs (Z)RagnaroK
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(T)Ryung vs (P)Trap
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(T)ByuN vs (Z)Rogue
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(T)Ryung vs (Z)RagnaroK
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(P)Trap vs (Z)Rogue

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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17727 Posts
April 18 2022 02:21 GMT
#2
Gogo Ryung!
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 09:32 GMT
#3
Maybe day 2 of group A can live up to some of group B's greatness. Other than that, let me quickly use this time to voice my only issue I have with the new GSL format. The Ro6 being Bo3 and the semis being Bo5 stinks.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
April 18 2022 09:33 GMT
#4
On April 18 2022 18:32 Elentos wrote:
Maybe day 2 of group A can live up to some of group B's greatness. Other than that, let me quickly use this time to voice my only issue I have with the new GSL format. The Ro6 being Bo3 and the semis being Bo5 stinks.

Removing bo7 semis is a crime against humanity
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3482 Posts
April 18 2022 09:35 GMT
#5
On April 18 2022 18:33 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 18:32 Elentos wrote:
Maybe day 2 of group A can live up to some of group B's greatness. Other than that, let me quickly use this time to voice my only issue I have with the new GSL format. The Ro6 being Bo3 and the semis being Bo5 stinks.

Removing bo7 semis is a crime against humanity

We all know thats the plot to prevent Rogue from winning the G5L before Maru.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 09:42 GMT
#6
Jeez, that is catastrophic damage for this kind of opening.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
April 18 2022 09:44 GMT
#7
embarrassing for Ragnarok, maybe sending ovis to the terran base is not a bad strat after all
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 09:47 GMT
#8
Let's see if we can get real build orders in game 2
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-18 09:56:53
April 18 2022 09:53 GMT
#9
Group A continues to be a trainwreck

Well what did I expect, all the good players are in group B
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
April 18 2022 09:56 GMT
#10
This is like watching Masters league players playing TvZ. Neither of them can split
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
April 18 2022 09:56 GMT
#11
pure bane, no split vs mines.... GGs
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 09:57 GMT
#12
Byun took Ragnarok out behind the shed, took off his belt and just whipped him.
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
April 18 2022 09:58 GMT
#13
Is 2016 Byun coming back?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3482 Posts
April 18 2022 09:59 GMT
#14
On April 18 2022 18:58 swarminfestor wrote:
Is 2016 Byun coming back?

Byun will think hes looking great, with Marines and all, and Rogue will just murder him with Roach.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-18 10:03:42
April 18 2022 10:03 GMT
#15
TBH Byun didn't even look particularly good in that series. Ragnarok just looked unprepared. Like he didn't expect to face ANY aggression from Byun and just handled it terribly. Byun basically won both games in bops neither of those builds were supposed to the kind of damage they did.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
April 18 2022 10:14 GMT
#16
Trap vetoing both Nautilus and Golden Wall. As if I needed any more reasons to cheer for Ryung
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-18 10:24:30
April 18 2022 10:24 GMT
#17
This is one of the things that drives me up the wall with Pro Protoss players.

WHY ONLY ONE ROBO?!?!?!?! WHY ONLY ONE WARP PRISM AT A TIME?!?!?!

He keeps losing his only reinforcement point so whatever damage he does he can't follow through on because he has no forward reinforcement point.


Don't give me this shit that Trap can't afford it either. He has a massive base count and Warp Prisms are cheap as fuck.
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3541 Posts
April 18 2022 10:28 GMT
#18
Mh not building more vikings after seeing a rebuilding colossus count wasn't great, but trap was just too far ahead anyways.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 10:37 GMT
#19
Kind of a bad move by Ryung to go home to deal with the stalkers earlier. Those were Trap's entire army and weren't gonna kill him.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
April 18 2022 10:43 GMT
#20
How do we know trap doesn't F2? He places HTs in his fringe bases
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
April 18 2022 10:43 GMT
#21
Wow, Trap might survive later at the third place unless Ragnarok did not lose again.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3541 Posts
April 18 2022 10:43 GMT
#22
Idk not building Vikings is ripping ryung in both games, he always has to go for these dives that just don't work.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 10:54 GMT
#23
Well nothing has been competitive so far tonight. Maybe Byun vs Rogue MIGHT change that but I'm not betting on it.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-18 10:55:27
April 18 2022 10:55 GMT
#24
Golden Wall AND Nautilus hype
And GUARANTEED
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 11:00 GMT
#25
Golden Wall? more like GOAT-Den wall amirite?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 11:05 GMT
#26
Reynor would have A-moved the flank into ByuN's bases instead of fighting the army 100 %.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3482 Posts
April 18 2022 11:07 GMT
#27
On April 18 2022 20:05 Elentos wrote:
Reynor would have A-moved the flank into ByuN's bases instead of fighting the army 100 %.

Yeah, those tanks setting outside of the Zerg main is looking cool, but its not taking down the Hatch for a minute or 2. But I think Byun also had some Marine or Tanks at home defending.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17727 Posts
April 18 2022 11:20 GMT
#28
Omfg
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
April 18 2022 11:21 GMT
#29
Tactical pause
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-18 11:25:06
April 18 2022 11:21 GMT
#30
Byun I know it hurt, but you can't kill the base than pause to take a breather...
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
April 18 2022 11:21 GMT
#31
I bet this game more ling bane was killed by biles than by marine/tank fire
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 18 2022 11:22 GMT
#32
That trembling hand, man.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
April 18 2022 11:23 GMT
#33
Nooo the ByuN pause
WriterMaru
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3482 Posts
April 18 2022 11:27 GMT
#34
This is just painful to watch as Byun fan.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 18 2022 11:28 GMT
#35
That game was won...
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
April 18 2022 11:29 GMT
#36
Maybe ByuN needs to go to the doctor an take a break like Maru did with his shoulder? because this is hindering him too much, he was so close to win....
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
April 18 2022 11:31 GMT
#37
On April 18 2022 20:29 Argonauta wrote:
Maybe ByuN needs to go to the doctor an take a break like Maru did with his shoulder? because this is hindering him too much, he was so close to win....

Didn’t the doctors say it was a psychological thing or something? Seems physical as well…
Seems like a difficult issue to fix either way
WriterMaru
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines895 Posts
April 18 2022 11:32 GMT
#38
do the GSL setup has ergonomic tables and chairs? maybe it would help a lot of players when they can adjust everything to match the setup on their practice environment
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3482 Posts
April 18 2022 11:33 GMT
#39
Well, Byun never had that issue playing online cup, or even during IEM. So the problem would be with GSL and the way their PCs are set up, not leaving players enough room to operate or something.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
April 18 2022 11:41 GMT
#40
On April 18 2022 20:31 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 20:29 Argonauta wrote:
Maybe ByuN needs to go to the doctor an take a break like Maru did with his shoulder? because this is hindering him too much, he was so close to win....

Didn’t the doctors say it was a psychological thing or something? Seems physical as well…
Seems like a difficult issue to fix either way


Well either psychologically or physically, he needs to treat his issue
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 11:43 GMT
#41
A shame that Byun had to go down like that but Rogue coming out in first place is the proper order of the universe.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
April 18 2022 11:45 GMT
#42
I didn’t expect ByuN to win game 3 after the pause in a practically won game 2, but this is still sad to see :/.
Well fought though!
WriterMaru
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 18 2022 11:46 GMT
#43
Seems unlikely for byun to make it out of the group now
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GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
712 Posts
April 18 2022 11:50 GMT
#44
On April 18 2022 20:46 opterown wrote:
Seems unlikely for byun to make it out of the group now

impossible id say with ragnagod and ryung playing each other next
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 11:54 GMT
#45
On April 18 2022 20:50 GoloSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 20:46 opterown wrote:
Seems unlikely for byun to make it out of the group now

impossible id say with ragnagod and ryung playing each other next

lol. you must have missed the first series. Ragnarok looked horrible in the first series. If he plays like that vs Ryung it'll be an easy 2-0 for Ryung.
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GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
712 Posts
April 18 2022 11:56 GMT
#46
On April 18 2022 20:54 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 20:50 GoloSC2 wrote:
On April 18 2022 20:46 opterown wrote:
Seems unlikely for byun to make it out of the group now

impossible id say with ragnagod and ryung playing each other next

lol. you must have missed the first series. Ragnarok looked horrible in the first series. If he plays like that vs Ryung it'll be an easy 2-0 for Ryung.

i'm saying one of them is gonna go 2-2 and therefore cant be overtaken by byun
"Code S > IEM > Super Tournament > Homestory Cup > Blizzcon/WESG > GSL vs The World > Invitational tournaments in China with Koreans > WCS events" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 11:56 GMT
#47
On April 18 2022 20:54 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 20:50 GoloSC2 wrote:
On April 18 2022 20:46 opterown wrote:
Seems unlikely for byun to make it out of the group now

impossible id say with ragnagod and ryung playing each other next

lol. you must have missed the first series. Ragnarok looked horrible in the first series. If he plays like that vs Ryung it'll be an easy 2-0 for Ryung.

I mean either way Golo is right, Byun can't advance. Whoever wins between Ragnarok and Ryung will be ahead of Byun, and so are Trap and Rogue.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 12:00 GMT
#48
For the record I like this map. I don't see any major advantages that make it super favored to any of the races. the size obviously favors Zerg but the layout and attack pathways are better for Terran and Protoss.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 12:04 GMT
#49
Miserable day for all Ragnarok fans so far. All 3 of em.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
April 18 2022 12:10 GMT
#50
M E C H A N I C
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 12:23 GMT
#51
It's sincerely annoying me that Ryung is just ignoring Vikings.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 12:33 GMT
#52
Ryung needs serious coaching about how to play Mech late game vs Zerg. Does he really expect just massing Thors to work at the GSL level? That's the sort of shit that wins games on ladder against Diamond and low Master's Zergs but this doesn't work at Code S.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
April 18 2022 12:35 GMT
#53
On April 18 2022 21:33 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ryung needs serious coaching about how to play Mech late game vs Zerg. Does he really expect just massing Thors to work at the GSL level? That's the sort of shit that wins games on ladder against Diamond and low Master's Zergs but this doesn't work at Code S.

Mech, in general, doesn't work at a high level
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
April 18 2022 12:37 GMT
#54
On April 18 2022 21:35 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 21:33 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ryung needs serious coaching about how to play Mech late game vs Zerg. Does he really expect just massing Thors to work at the GSL level? That's the sort of shit that wins games on ladder against Diamond and low Master's Zergs but this doesn't work at Code S.

Mech, in general, doesn't work at a high level

Maru made it work quite a few times. Mech-Ghost though
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 12:37 GMT
#55
On April 18 2022 21:37 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 21:35 Durnuu wrote:
On April 18 2022 21:33 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ryung needs serious coaching about how to play Mech late game vs Zerg. Does he really expect just massing Thors to work at the GSL level? That's the sort of shit that wins games on ladder against Diamond and low Master's Zergs but this doesn't work at Code S.

Mech, in general, doesn't work at a high level

Maru made it work quite a few times. Mech-Ghost though

Ryung was adding ghosts to his mech. Maru adds mech to his ghosts. Bit different.
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Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
April 18 2022 12:42 GMT
#56
Ryung nooo...
You were doing so well in G2.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 12:42 GMT
#57
Ragnarok gonna make top 6 in GSL playing 0 entertaining games.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
April 18 2022 12:43 GMT
#58
On April 18 2022 21:42 Elentos wrote:
Ragnarok gonna make top 6 in GSL playing 0 entertaining games.

The real issue here is Ragnarok making top 6 in GSL
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 12:44 GMT
#59
On April 18 2022 21:43 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 21:42 Elentos wrote:
Ragnarok gonna make top 6 in GSL playing 0 entertaining games.

The real issue here is Ragnarok making top 6 in GSL

Cursed RNG putting most of the good players in group B.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
April 18 2022 12:48 GMT
#60
On one hand, you have Ryung going for a massive all-in with libs, tanks, and no 2/2
On the other, Ragnarok teching to ultras, adrenal, 2/2...
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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
April 18 2022 12:52 GMT
#61
Ragnagod is the GOAT, my friends
Year of MaxPax
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
April 18 2022 12:52 GMT
#62
Maru last terran hope. I for one, i am happy Ragnna advanced!
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 12:54 GMT
#63
On April 18 2022 21:52 Argonauta wrote:
Maru last terran hope. I for one, i am happy Ragnna advanced!

Last Terran hope who's only hope is that other players do half his work for him.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 12:54 GMT
#64
On April 18 2022 21:35 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 21:33 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ryung needs serious coaching about how to play Mech late game vs Zerg. Does he really expect just massing Thors to work at the GSL level? That's the sort of shit that wins games on ladder against Diamond and low Master's Zergs but this doesn't work at Code S.

Mech, in general, doesn't work at a high level


If Maru had taken that game over 2/3rds of the way through when Ryung was already losing. He would have won it.

Ryung for as good as he is in positional play in TvT, played that terribly vs Zerg. Didn't challenge air control, integrated ghosts far too late, didn't add static defense on outlying bases. Didn't use Liberators.

Just bad. It was just bad.

Mech vs Zerg can win vs just about any Zerg depending on the map and that map isn't the worst for it. But it's SUPER fucking hard to play that's why only Maru can really do it. Ryung has no business playing it if that's what his game plan is going to be.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
April 18 2022 12:55 GMT
#65
On April 18 2022 21:54 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 21:35 Durnuu wrote:
On April 18 2022 21:33 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ryung needs serious coaching about how to play Mech late game vs Zerg. Does he really expect just massing Thors to work at the GSL level? That's the sort of shit that wins games on ladder against Diamond and low Master's Zergs but this doesn't work at Code S.

Mech, in general, doesn't work at a high level


If Maru had taken that game over 2/3rds of the way through when Ryung was already losing. He would have won it.

Ryung for as good as he is in positional play in TvT, played that terribly vs Zerg. Didn't challenge air control, integrated ghosts far too late, didn't add static defense on outlying bases. Didn't use Liberators.

Just bad. It was just bad.

Mech vs Zerg can win vs just about any Zerg depending on the map and that map isn't the worst for it. But it's SUPER fucking hard to play that's why only Maru can really do it. Ryung has no business playing it if that's what his game plan is going to be.

All I'll say is that there is a reason only Maru has won with mech in the past 3+ years.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 13:01 GMT
#66
On April 18 2022 21:55 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 21:54 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 18 2022 21:35 Durnuu wrote:
On April 18 2022 21:33 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ryung needs serious coaching about how to play Mech late game vs Zerg. Does he really expect just massing Thors to work at the GSL level? That's the sort of shit that wins games on ladder against Diamond and low Master's Zergs but this doesn't work at Code S.

Mech, in general, doesn't work at a high level


If Maru had taken that game over 2/3rds of the way through when Ryung was already losing. He would have won it.

Ryung for as good as he is in positional play in TvT, played that terribly vs Zerg. Didn't challenge air control, integrated ghosts far too late, didn't add static defense on outlying bases. Didn't use Liberators.

Just bad. It was just bad.

Mech vs Zerg can win vs just about any Zerg depending on the map and that map isn't the worst for it. But it's SUPER fucking hard to play that's why only Maru can really do it. Ryung has no business playing it if that's what his game plan is going to be.

All I'll say is that there is a reason only Maru has won with mech in the past 3+ years.

Well that ain't fair, TY didn't retire that long ago. Even beat Protoss with it.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-18 13:06:24
April 18 2022 13:03 GMT
#67
last note on mech vs Zerg. The only reason Maru breaks that style out is to counter heavy Lurker play that became meta last year. If Zerg isn't going to go for that style, then there isn't much reason to play it vs the other more standard styles.

It's still viable but it's weaker.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
April 18 2022 13:03 GMT
#68
On April 18 2022 22:01 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 21:55 Durnuu wrote:
On April 18 2022 21:54 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 18 2022 21:35 Durnuu wrote:
On April 18 2022 21:33 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ryung needs serious coaching about how to play Mech late game vs Zerg. Does he really expect just massing Thors to work at the GSL level? That's the sort of shit that wins games on ladder against Diamond and low Master's Zergs but this doesn't work at Code S.

Mech, in general, doesn't work at a high level


If Maru had taken that game over 2/3rds of the way through when Ryung was already losing. He would have won it.

Ryung for as good as he is in positional play in TvT, played that terribly vs Zerg. Didn't challenge air control, integrated ghosts far too late, didn't add static defense on outlying bases. Didn't use Liberators.

Just bad. It was just bad.

Mech vs Zerg can win vs just about any Zerg depending on the map and that map isn't the worst for it. But it's SUPER fucking hard to play that's why only Maru can really do it. Ryung has no business playing it if that's what his game plan is going to be.

All I'll say is that there is a reason only Maru has won with mech in the past 3+ years.

Well that ain't fair, TY didn't retire that long ago. Even beat Protoss with it.

This thing got figured out pretty quickly, iirc he lost to even Creator right before BlizzCon and it wasn’t 2022 creator.
I hope Maru 4-0 DRG and herO so we have a terran advancing, as usual Maru stands last for terran
WriterMaru
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3482 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-18 13:06:47
April 18 2022 13:06 GMT
#69
On April 18 2022 21:54 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 21:52 Argonauta wrote:
Maru last terran hope. I for one, i am happy Ragnna advanced!

Last Terran hope who's only hope is that other players do half his work for him.

If Maru can go 4-0 or 4-1 in the last 2 matches, I think he would get in with strong map difference score.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-18 13:09:44
April 18 2022 13:07 GMT
#70
On April 18 2022 22:03 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 22:01 Elentos wrote:
On April 18 2022 21:55 Durnuu wrote:
On April 18 2022 21:54 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 18 2022 21:35 Durnuu wrote:
On April 18 2022 21:33 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ryung needs serious coaching about how to play Mech late game vs Zerg. Does he really expect just massing Thors to work at the GSL level? That's the sort of shit that wins games on ladder against Diamond and low Master's Zergs but this doesn't work at Code S.

Mech, in general, doesn't work at a high level


If Maru had taken that game over 2/3rds of the way through when Ryung was already losing. He would have won it.

Ryung for as good as he is in positional play in TvT, played that terribly vs Zerg. Didn't challenge air control, integrated ghosts far too late, didn't add static defense on outlying bases. Didn't use Liberators.

Just bad. It was just bad.

Mech vs Zerg can win vs just about any Zerg depending on the map and that map isn't the worst for it. But it's SUPER fucking hard to play that's why only Maru can really do it. Ryung has no business playing it if that's what his game plan is going to be.

All I'll say is that there is a reason only Maru has won with mech in the past 3+ years.

Well that ain't fair, TY didn't retire that long ago. Even beat Protoss with it.

This thing got figured out pretty quickly, iirc he lost to even Creator right before BlizzCon and it wasn’t 2022 creator.
I hope Maru 4-0 DRG and herO so we have a terran advancing, as usual Maru stands last for terran

Bro you're not even close to getting the timeline right on that.

Also even if Maru goes 2-0, 4-0 he has to rely on all the other results working in his favor. All things considered that doesn't seem likely.

E: Actually 2-0, 4-0 should be enough with the remaining matches and the current standings. But he's not guaranteed that after his week 1 performance, that's for sure.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 13:10 GMT
#71
I love how as soon as we go back to some earlier maps Archon harassment comes back.

More evidence the biggest problem with PvZ in the current meta is the ridiculous Zerg favored maps.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 13:11 GMT
#72
On April 18 2022 22:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
I love how as soon as we go back to some earlier maps Archon harassment comes back.

More evidence the biggest problem with PvZ in the current meta is the ridiculous Zerg favored maps.

Not like the most common PvZ opener was nerfed recently
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 13:12 GMT
#73
On April 18 2022 22:11 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 22:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
I love how as soon as we go back to some earlier maps Archon harassment comes back.

More evidence the biggest problem with PvZ in the current meta is the ridiculous Zerg favored maps.

Not like the most common PvZ opener was nerfed recently


I don't know what you're talking about. All I saw get nerfed was Void/Shield All ins.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 13:13 GMT
#74
On April 18 2022 22:12 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 22:11 Elentos wrote:
On April 18 2022 22:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
I love how as soon as we go back to some earlier maps Archon harassment comes back.

More evidence the biggest problem with PvZ in the current meta is the ridiculous Zerg favored maps.

Not like the most common PvZ opener was nerfed recently


I don't know what you're talking about. All I saw get nerfed was Void/Shield All ins.

Sure, making the unit cost more and take longer to build doesn't affect 2 stargate void openers at all.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 13:15 GMT
#75
LOOOOOOOOL. As if I can't beat the drum any harder about how important maps are. This is why 4 player maps aren't a thing anymore.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 13:15 GMT
#76
On April 18 2022 22:13 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 22:12 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 18 2022 22:11 Elentos wrote:
On April 18 2022 22:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
I love how as soon as we go back to some earlier maps Archon harassment comes back.

More evidence the biggest problem with PvZ in the current meta is the ridiculous Zerg favored maps.

Not like the most common PvZ opener was nerfed recently


I don't know what you're talking about. All I saw get nerfed was Void/Shield All ins.

Sure, making the unit cost more and take longer to build doesn't affect 2 stargate void openers at all.


I was being sarcastic.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
April 18 2022 13:15 GMT
#77
Some great games tonight
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 18 2022 13:16 GMT
#78
Four players maps, so fun.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 13:16 GMT
#79
Zerg players are just more talented at scouting.
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
April 18 2022 13:18 GMT
#80
tasteless i miss it too
The Bomber boy
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 13:28 GMT
#81
This is looking good for Trap
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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
April 18 2022 13:29 GMT
#82
On April 18 2022 22:28 Elentos wrote:
This is looking good for Trap


Not sure how Rogue plans to contest the carriers here.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 13:38 GMT
#83
Can't believe Trap gifted Ragnarok a win
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
April 18 2022 13:39 GMT
#84
gj tarp
The Bomber boy
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3482 Posts
April 18 2022 13:39 GMT
#85
Protoss OP again?? And Terran might have no one in the Ro6? time to balance whine.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
April 18 2022 13:40 GMT
#86
Round of 6 should be bo5
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 18 2022 13:40 GMT
#87
It would have been so much better if Byun's wrists didn't hurt.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 13:40 GMT
#88
On April 18 2022 22:40 Argonauta wrote:
Round of 6 should be bo5

Yes. And Round of 4 should be Bo7.
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
April 18 2022 13:41 GMT
#89
I'm starting to have faith in Protoss, so I'm sure Rogue will do disgusting things in the playoffs and crush my hopes.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
April 18 2022 13:42 GMT
#90
On April 18 2022 22:40 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 22:40 Argonauta wrote:
Round of 6 should be bo5

Yes. And Round of 4 should be Bo7.


pretty much
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 18 2022 13:42 GMT
#91
People ask why I'm always getting on Trap about his nerves. Look at this. Even in his VICTORY interview, he's rattled because Rogue stole an easy one from him.

That's exactly that kind of thing that causes him to lose longer series. He needs to learn how to put that shit behind him.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 13:42 GMT
#92
First time this year we saw a glimpse of the Trap who won tournaments last year.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 13:45 GMT
#93
Oh the Ro6 is Bo5
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-18 13:46:10
April 18 2022 13:45 GMT
#94
wait in the stream it was written ro6 was bo5?
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 18 2022 13:48 GMT
#95
On April 18 2022 22:45 Argonauta wrote:
wait in the stream it was written ro6 was bo5?

So now only my complaint is valid. Getting rid of Bo7 semis is a mistake Mr. Chae.
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-18 13:48:38
April 18 2022 13:48 GMT
#96
On April 18 2022 22:45 Elentos wrote:
Oh the Ro6 is Bo5

Much better

Ideal like y'all said would be ro4 being bo7, but ro6 being bo5 us more important
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
April 18 2022 13:48 GMT
#97
On April 18 2022 22:45 Argonauta wrote:
wait in the stream it was written ro6 was bo5?


Yeah, that the same things Artosis said in the stream.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3482 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-19 05:15:22
April 18 2022 13:49 GMT
#98
Yeah, considering there are only 3 matches in the Ro6, it would be terrible if its just Bo3, thanks GSL for either making a typo in the beginning, or changing your mind after hearing the complaint.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
April 18 2022 13:50 GMT
#99
On April 18 2022 22:48 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 22:45 Argonauta wrote:
wait in the stream it was written ro6 was bo5?

So now only my complaint is valid. Getting rid of Bo7 semis is a mistake Mr. Chae.


Did they just change because Rogue's Bo7 record has been stopped last year?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
April 18 2022 13:50 GMT
#100
Being a bo5, I am less confident my boy Ragna can pass to the next round, hopefully because his opponent will be Maru .
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
April 18 2022 13:54 GMT
#101
PvZ looking ALOT better after the patch, really enjoying every non mirror match up at this point.

Casters Civil War has had enough PvP and TvT to last me the next 5 fucking years lol
honorablemacroterran
Profile Joined January 2022
188 Posts
April 18 2022 13:57 GMT
#102
This just makes it clear how ridiculous Protoss balance whiners have been this entire time.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3541 Posts
April 18 2022 13:58 GMT
#103
Felt to me like rogue didnt prep for golden wall today, which cost him vs trap and almost cost him vs byun.
honorablemacroterran
Profile Joined January 2022
188 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-18 14:02:02
April 18 2022 14:01 GMT
#104
On April 18 2022 18:33 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2022 18:32 Elentos wrote:
Maybe day 2 of group A can live up to some of group B's greatness. Other than that, let me quickly use this time to voice my only issue I have with the new GSL format. The Ro6 being Bo3 and the semis being Bo5 stinks.

Removing bo7 semis is a crime against humanity


Bo7 in a map pool with Pride of Altaris or even worse, the GSL 4 player maps, is a crime against humanity.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3482 Posts
April 18 2022 14:03 GMT
#105
On April 18 2022 22:58 darklycid wrote:
Felt to me like rogue didnt prep for golden wall today, which cost him vs trap and almost cost him vs byun.

I remember seeing Harstem posting a comment about a Zerg doing Hydra/Corruptor army against Terran Mech and die, Rogue did pretty much the same thing with Hydra/Corruptor against Skytoss with ground support, its never gonna work.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-18 14:03:45
April 18 2022 14:03 GMT
#106
On April 18 2022 22:58 darklycid wrote:
Felt to me like rogue didnt prep for golden wall today, which cost him vs trap and almost cost him vs byun.



I think he also lost to Byun in that map too. Obviously he did not prepare much looking at his vulnerable defense against early oracles or tank push.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
April 18 2022 15:41 GMT
#107
Even with the toss nerfs. My boy Trap still tops the group.

Skills always prevail

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 18 2022 18:06 GMT
#108
Most missed thing in the past two years is that Rogue actually has horrible ZvP versus the very best Protoss players. He has like a 40% win rate against both Trap and Zest over the past two years.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
April 18 2022 20:27 GMT
#109
On April 19 2022 03:06 Pandain wrote:
Most missed thing in the past two years is that Rogue actually has horrible ZvP versus the very best Protoss players. He has like a 40% win rate against both Trap and Zest over the past two years.

the loss in the GSL semifinals vs Zest (which incidentally was also his first offline bo7 defeat) seemed to really break his confidence in that mu yeah
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26508 Posts
April 19 2022 00:24 GMT
#110
Trap really brought close to his A game this second day of games
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26508 Posts
April 19 2022 14:55 GMT
#111
So Trap makes the unique Trap award of 10 consecutive Ro8s or better, from my working

Start: 2019 Season 1
Current: 2022 Season 1

Granted I had an extremely rudimentary logging process and may have miscounted/am extremely hungover.

But if someone else can verify I think this deserves into the GSL stats/trivia on Liquipedia

Quite a great accomplishment from Trap!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 19 2022 19:47 GMT
#112
On April 19 2022 23:55 WombaT wrote:
So Trap makes the unique Trap award of 10 consecutive Ro8s or better, from my working

Start: 2019 Season 1
Current: 2022 Season 1

Granted I had an extremely rudimentary logging process and may have miscounted/am extremely hungover.

But if someone else can verify I think this deserves into the GSL stats/trivia on Liquipedia

Quite a great accomplishment from Trap!


Oh damn! Long live the Trap award!
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
April 20 2022 09:36 GMT
#113
nice achievement for Trap indeed ! And God is it a strange GSL so far... Liquibets taking hits left and right !
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 20 2022 23:52 GMT
#114
On April 19 2022 23:55 WombaT wrote:
So Trap makes the unique Trap award of 10 consecutive Ro8s or better, from my working

Start: 2019 Season 1
Current: 2022 Season 1

Granted I had an extremely rudimentary logging process and may have miscounted/am extremely hungover.

But if someone else can verify I think this deserves into the GSL stats/trivia on Liquipedia

Quite a great accomplishment from Trap!


That's actually insane. Also makes it much sadder he hasn't won a GSL
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