EPTTrap vs Cure, BO7, winner goes on to face Zest in the finals.
An underwhelming thread for a most likely underwhelming semifinals. Prove me wrong, Trap and Cure
[GSL 2021] Code S - Semi Finals - Day Two
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Durnuu
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Trap vs Cure, BO7, winner goes on to face Zest in the finals. An underwhelming thread for a most likely underwhelming semifinals. Prove me wrong, Trap and Cure | ||
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Durnuu
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Poll: Winner ? (Head) Trap (7) Cure (2) 9 total votes Your vote: Winner ? (Head) | ||
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Elentos
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Durnuu
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swarminfestor
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Elentos
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stilt
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Durnuu
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Die4Ever
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Elentos
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swarminfestor
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On September 30 2021 18:55 stilt wrote: Lmao nice throw trap, building a shield battery to fight just out of its reach, gg Not a really throw. Trap did well to unburrow the mines with Phoenix, for example, but Cure's timing pushes made it hard for Trap to defend the fourth base. | ||
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Elentos
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On September 30 2021 18:57 swarminfestor wrote: Not a really throw. Trap did well to unburrow the mines with Phoenix, for example, but Cure's timing pushes make it hard for Trap to defend the fourth base. It was a throw. He had no reason to move out and take a fight away from batteries. Especially since he saw Cure didn't even have a 3rd mining so he didn't desperately need to defend his 4th in the first place. | ||
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stilt
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On September 30 2021 18:57 swarminfestor wrote: Not a really throw. Trap did well to unburrow the mines with Phoenix, for example, but Cure's timing pushes made it hard for Trap to defend the fourth base. He engaged into a choke while having a mele army with the centries in front of the archon and without any support of his battery shield. He didn't need to take this engagement and he did it terribly while behind in a good position that's a throw. | ||
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Elentos
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stilt
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On September 30 2021 19:05 Elentos wrote: Silly game that Adepts all in seems to be more popular recently, that's the third I see in a week. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26506 Posts
Intriguing series so far anyway, Cure looks to have plenty of tricks in his locker | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On September 30 2021 19:06 stilt wrote: Adepts all in seems to be more popular recently, that's the third I see in a week. the adept all in was more of a response to the failed reaper rush though | ||
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Elentos
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On September 30 2021 19:07 WombaT wrote: I dunno, it was bad but I think to be a throw you need to be really ahead, rather than in a pretty good spot. Intriguing series so far anyway, Cure looks to have plenty of tricks in his locker Trap was in a really really good spot. About to be safely on 4 bases against a Terran who delayed taking his 3rd forever to have a bigger army. It's a big lapse in judgement from Trap to move out to fight in that situation. And then take the fight the way he did, with his zealots at the back blocked by archons. | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On September 30 2021 19:07 AzAlexZ wrote: the adept all in was more of a response to the failed reaper rush though I skipped the early as usual... But yes nothing indicates trap would have done this if cure didn't do his reaper all in | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26506 Posts
Song | ||
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Durnuu
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Wait. I don't care about Oxide | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26506 Posts
On September 30 2021 19:09 Elentos wrote: Trap was in a really really good spot. About to be safely on 4 bases against a Terran who delayed taking his 3rd forever to have a bigger army. It's a big lapse in judgement from Trap to move out to fight in that situation. And then take the fight the way he did, with his zealots at the back blocked by archons. I mean it was pretty abominable decision-making and execution no arguments there, I just think of throws on a pretty high bar of ‘basically unloseable position’. But hey I’m splitting hairs on how I use a term. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On September 30 2021 19:21 WombaT wrote: I mean it was pretty abominable decision-making and execution no arguments there, I just think of throws on a pretty high bar of ‘basically unloseable position’. But hey I’m splitting hairs on how I use a term. Agree with you. It was just a choke imo | ||
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Snakestyle11
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Die4Ever
United States17727 Posts
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Elentos
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Very strange | ||
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AzAlexZ
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Die4Ever
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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GreenHorizons
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On September 30 2021 19:21 WombaT wrote: I mean it was pretty abominable decision-making and execution no arguments there, I just think of throws on a pretty high bar of ‘basically unloseable position’. But hey I’m splitting hairs on how I use a term. Yes we have seen worse. That said, this year, I don't remember a top player in a standart macro game losing almost instantly while being in a commanding lead and while his opponent didn't do much to cause this downfall. Except Solar... Twice haha | ||
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Elentos
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tigera6
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swarminfestor
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Nakajin
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stilt
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tigera6
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On September 30 2021 19:33 swarminfestor wrote: Wow, Cure looked to be Code S's champion right now. Zest will likely beat him to become the GOAT Toss. | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On September 30 2021 19:34 tigera6 wrote: Zest will likely beat him to become the GOAT Toss. He is already imo | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On September 30 2021 19:34 tigera6 wrote: Zest will likely beat him to become the GOAT Toss. he already is but he will cement his status | ||
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
Gets beaten by Zest in every metric Still liquibet on him so I kinda hope he wins, but Cure is looking better atm | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 30 2021 19:34 tigera6 wrote: Zest will likely beat him to become the GOAT Toss. As if Protoss could ever win another Code S | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17727 Posts
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WombaT
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I don’t think he’s playing that badly but he’s misjudging the fine lines in terms of army movement and aggression slightly | ||
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stilt
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On September 30 2021 19:36 Poopi wrote: Trap just is not the best Protoss in the world Gets beaten by Zest in every metric Still liquibet on him so I kinda hope he wins, but Cure is looking better atm You kinda hoping a protoss beats cure in a gsl semi, I didn't expect this lol | ||
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WombaT
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stilt
France2754 Posts
Poor gemini | ||
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swarminfestor
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Poopi
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On September 30 2021 19:40 stilt wrote: You kinda hoping a protoss beats cure in a gsl semi, I didn't expect this lol Well I don’t like Cure I am a Maru fanboy, is not that logical that I don’t want other terrans to be more successful than him?  I cheer for Maru over Clem (but mostly because he is just better) | ||
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swarminfestor
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On September 30 2021 19:40 WombaT wrote: Trap’s PvT is usually super scary because he’s very active on the map and counter-pushing, you don’t get much room to breathe when he’s at his best. I don’t think he’s playing that badly but he’s misjudging the fine lines in terms of army movement and aggression slightly Yeah, he really defend widow mines drop in Game 1 and Game 2 as well. That lack of presence of Oracles in his base in Game 4 hit Trap badly. I don't think Trap played bad today, it just that Cure played better today. | ||
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Elentos
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tigera6
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swarminfestor
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On September 30 2021 19:34 Charoisaur wrote: he already is but he will cement his status I think one more push (by winning third GSL title) in order for his career achievement to be along with Maru, Inno and Rogue. It is indisputable then. | ||
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tigera6
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On September 30 2021 19:45 Poopi wrote: Well I don’t like Cure I am a Maru fanboy, is not that logical that I don’t want other terrans to be more successful than him? I cheer for Maru over Clem (but mostly because he is just better) Well, as a Maru fan, I just think Cure, and previously HM, play Trap better than Maru did in GSL. Funny enough, I think Maru style is capable of beating every other Protoss in the world but Trap. | ||
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Zaros
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Elentos
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stilt
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On September 30 2021 19:45 Poopi wrote: Well I don’t like Cure I am a Maru fanboy, is not that logical that I don’t want other terrans to be more successful than him? I cheer for Maru over Clem (but mostly because he is just better) Got it ! Tbh I tend do cheer against Serral/Reynor over Clem, my race fanboyism being bigger than my chauvinism | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
"Cure is playing some of the cleanest early-midgame TvP we have ever seen" Every time I manage to catch GSL it's the best thing ever. How lucky I am! | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On September 30 2021 19:53 Olli wrote: Tune in. "Cure is playing some of the cleanest early-midgame TvP we have ever seen" Every time I manage to catch GSL it's the best thing ever. How lucky I am! At least they said "some of the best" and not "the best". I think it's tolerable | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 30 2021 19:53 Olli wrote: Tune in. "Cure is playing some of the cleanest early-midgame TvP we have ever seen" Every time I manage to catch GSL it's the best thing ever. How lucky I am! Tbh, you only need to add "from him" at the end of the sentence and I'd agree with it | ||
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Durnuu
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AzAlexZ
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-understatement of the century btw (but is it really?) | ||
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royalroadweed
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LennX
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CURE!!!! What a way to start improving his TvP win% | ||
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swarminfestor
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On September 30 2021 20:00 royalroadweed wrote: Cure vs Zest. Can anyone say this the finals they expected? sounds like an Olimoleague finals | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On September 30 2021 20:00 royalroadweed wrote: Cure vs Zest. Can anyone say this the finals they expected? Most unpredictable GSL final in ages, should be cool to watch, Zest PvT usually is quite flashy | ||
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parksonsc
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On September 30 2021 20:01 swarminfestor wrote: This was major upset because Trap's PvT win rates was around 70% while Cure's TvP win rates was just around 25%. Congrats Cure. This is the beauty of GSL, the long prep time creates so many upset potential. In a weekend tournament, I think Trap would dominate hard. | ||
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tigera6
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SamirDuran
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more like weekly EPT cup finals. Dunno how many Cure vs Zest I've watched on EPT Weeklies. | ||
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stilt
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I have the feeling that for once protoss fans gonna whine way more if their representant doesn't win this haha | ||
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yoshi245
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Crocolisk Dundee
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Elentos
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machinus
United States291 Posts
It's great to see a Terran that prepares well for Protoss and makes the games fair. Great series! | ||
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buzz_bender
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On September 30 2021 19:40 WombaT wrote: Trap’s PvT is usually super scary because he’s very active on the map and counter-pushing, you don’t get much room to breathe when he’s at his best. I don’t think he’s playing that badly but he’s misjudging the fine lines in terms of army movement and aggression slightly Trap operates in that razorthin margins in his army engagements and quantities against Terrans. One small mistake and he would lose games easily, which is what we saw today. Against Maru, he was super clean and on point. Maru himself did very well too, but Trap was just too good on that day. Today, Cure played well, but Trap made small mistakes here and there, and that tilted him, and lost him the series. | ||
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leublix
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Poopi
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Schelim
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Ciaus_Dronu
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Well deserved win. | ||
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tigera6
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On September 30 2021 21:13 buzz_bender wrote: Trap operates in that razorthin margins in his army engagements and quantities against Terrans. One small mistake and he would lose games easily, which is what we saw today. Against Maru, he was super clean and on point. Maru himself did very well too, but Trap was just too good on that day. Today, Cure played well, but Trap made small mistakes here and there, and that tilted him, and lost him the series. There was no game where Trap went for Robo units (Immortal-Disrutor/Colossus), it was mostly Adept - Stalker - Archon and Stargate. It looks to me that he doesnt want to use Robo unit for their lack of mobility and micro-ability. But most PvT success in mid-game rely on the Robo unit as a backbone for other Gateway units. Somehow Trap completely ignore that part of the game is a bit weird to see. | ||
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Garbo1
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I'm not a massive fan of either Cure or Zest but seeing Trap get so tilted after game 3 and lose so much to widow mines which he never normally does, was oh so sweet. | ||
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Powerpill
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swarminfestor
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Elentos
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On October 01 2021 02:50 swarminfestor wrote: When are the last time we had mirror TvT, PvP and ZvZ finals? TvT was Maru vs TY last year, ZvZ was RorO vs Symbol in 2013 and MC vs Seed in 2012 is still the only PvP final in Code S history. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Whatever, at least theres some mild small chance Protoss can break its infinity year long drought of GSL success. | ||
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Obamarauder
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WombaT
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On October 01 2021 04:33 Obamarauder wrote: Traps PvT is overrated. I take Zest over Trap any day for PvT Outrageous | ||
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aNoPHeLeS
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Topin
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Gescom
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
Cure played very well--and most importantly, he played with an early-midgame style deliberately designed to capitalize on small mistakes by the opponent and turn them into wins. he didn't seem god-like or untouchable though. Zest is a very strong mindset player and definitely has a shot at this. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
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RKC
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Anyway, unexpected but exciting finals ahead. Hope Zest clinches the win, for nostalgia sake. | ||
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