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On July 06 2021 00:22 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2021 23:44 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 05 2021 22:23 Swisslink wrote:
Rogue will reach G5L before Maru just to kill all the dreams and all the hype. Mark my words! I can actually see that happening Rogue still has two or three seasons left for him to reach G5L before the military enlistment date unless he manages to delay another two years more by using BTS and Faker law. Despite that he has won 1 WCS championship and two IEM Katowice, I am not sure whether these may count into consideration for him to apply the law.
hmmmm yeah maybe that's a bit short then I guess. But you never know, mustering two motivation surges is not something Rogue is incapable of, especially with that new format in which the elimination phase happens very quickly.
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Special has a descent shot vs. Solar and less against Parting. Trap is gonna be hard.
As much a fan i am of DRG, im kinda cheering for Bunny to make it to the semi finals.
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On July 05 2021 23:07 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2021 22:31 swarminfestor wrote:
Damn, it is hard day for Maru though. The reason I did not favor a tournament a day or 12 hours before was because of the lesser time to prepare for any tournament ahead. Maru just used whatever experiences he got without much preparatory builds, ended up him getting smashed.
Congrats to sOs and Zoun though. I did note that ESL and GSL was going to screw Maru up with the timing of the tournament.
Yes you did, and I think his plays were not the best because of that. There's a notable lack of preparation on his part, in particular studying how Zoun would have approached the game. There were times when he completely misread what Zoun would do. He just had four days of intense, high level SC2, with completely different setups, players, and maps. Of course his preparation won't be the best.
On July 05 2021 23:07 tigera6 wrote:
Especially on that last game, knowing Zoun was making Disruptor, Maru marched the units through the choke points anyway.
I don't think so. I think Maru thought that he would go Colossus, hence he made vikings. It was a complete misread of the situation, and those two disruptor hits lost him the game. Otherwise I think he would have won that game easily.
As I mentioned in a previous comment, games at this high level are decided by these minor things. For example, I think Maru losing his one BC in Romanticide in Game 7 against Reynor (because of ping/latency/lack of attention/whatever), cost him the game. If he would have kept it, he could have kept his mech momentum going and I think he would have an even greater control over the game.
Oh well, can't be helped now. Maru just has to try again in the next season. (This also means that he won't be in the Season Finals in Season 2... )
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Question: would terran players trade not using ghosts for the protoss player not being able to use disruptors? Basically, is it preferable to deal with storm (without emp) as opposed to disruptor?
In pro matches, I feel like disruptor gets a little boring to watch since so many fights are essentially decided by whether it lands or not.
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On July 06 2021 00:46 buzz_bender wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2021 23:07 tigera6 wrote:On July 05 2021 22:31 swarminfestor wrote:
Damn, it is hard day for Maru though. The reason I did not favor a tournament a day or 12 hours before was because of the lesser time to prepare for any tournament ahead. Maru just used whatever experiences he got without much preparatory builds, ended up him getting smashed.
Congrats to sOs and Zoun though. I did note that ESL and GSL was going to screw Maru up with the timing of the tournament. Yes you did, and I think his plays were not the best because of that. There's a notable lack of preparation on his part, in particular studying how Zoun would have approached the game. There were times when he completely misread what Zoun would do. He just had four days of intense, high level SC2, with completely different setups, players, and maps. Of course his preparation won't be the best. Show nested quote +On July 05 2021 23:07 tigera6 wrote:
Especially on that last game, knowing Zoun was making Disruptor, Maru marched the units through the choke points anyway. I don't think so. I think Maru thought that he would go Colossus, hence he made vikings. It was a complete misread of the situation, and those two disruptor hits lost him the game. Otherwise I think he would have won that game easily. As I mentioned in a previous comment, games at this high level are decided by these minor things. For example, I think Maru losing his one BC in Romanticide in Game 7 against Reynor (because of ping/latency/lack of attention/whatever), cost him the game. If he would have kept it, he could have kept his mech momentum going and I think he would have an even greater control over the game. Oh well, can't be helped now. Maru just has to try again in the next season. (This also means that he won't be in the Season Finals in Season 2... )
Dude, Maru literally scanned the base of Zoun and saw a Disruptor coming out of the Robotics with another one in the making. It was very careless of him, and there should be no excuse other than mental fatigue. And yes, what really piss me off more is Maru gonna miss the next DH Season as well. Right where we seeing Maru picking up his TvZ game, its the darn TvP that knock him out again.
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Sad to have Maru out so soon. Definitely feel like this is related to him playing Dreamhack at ungodly hours for the last 4 days. With this result and assuming Special doesn't advance from the last group each race has had a tournament where there was only 1 or 0 players remaining in the ro8 recently. Zerg in GSL season 1 and super tournament 1, Protoss in season finals, and now Terran here. There is a high level of variance right now for race distribution in tournaments.
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Just watched the video and need to state for the record that Sos is just the coolest.
After the lack of Protoss this weekend, this group got me really excited for the future.
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Does anyone have a rough BO/writeup for sOs' DT/Zeal build?
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The Maru Fanboys Train...
His last win in a tournament was King of Battles 2020-10-11 were he fought so so in the Group Stage (2nd place) and went to win beating only terrans in the playoffs.
His last big tournament win was AfreecaTV GSL ST1 2020-03-28 with a good run against the usual "old" Korean players (half of them are at military service).
Then you've got to go GSL S1 Spring 2019 to see another victory in a big tournament.
Maru in 2021 has played 48 matches: Serral (who doesn't play so much outside big tournaments) has played 65 matches in 2021, Reynor 143 matches !!!
With all the respect for Maru, he is still a great player and being able to reach a couple of big finals in the last months is very good, but he lacks a lot of practice in tournaments and at the moment his winning chances are overvalued.
And here you can insert fanboys lag, poorly sleep, bad wrist and all the usual whining stuff :D
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On July 06 2021 20:21 Blastmally wrote:
The Maru Fanboys Train...
His last win in a tournament was King of Battles 2020-10-11 were he fought so so in the Group Stage (2nd place) and went to win beating only terrans in the playoffs.
His last big tournament win was AfreecaTV GSL ST1 2020-03-28 with a good run against the usual "old" Korean players (half of them are at military service).
Then you've got to go GSL S1 Spring 2019 to see another victory in a big tournament.
Maru in 2021 has played 48 matches: Serral (who doesn't play so much outside big tournaments) has played 65 matches in 2021, Reynor 143 matches !!!
With all the respect for Maru, he is still a great player and being able to reach a couple of big finals in the last months is very good, but he lacks a lot of practice in tournaments and at the moment his winning chances are overvalued.
And here you can insert fanboys lag, poorly sleep, bad wrist and all the usual whining stuff :D
I am a Maru fan, but have always been critical of his losses when they are flawed. But you are just plain WRONG in many of the points you made, or you just want to rub the salt to the wound of Terran "fanboy".
Terran has been unable to win many international events for the last 3 years since Inno victory in WESG. Other than TY dominant run in 2020 in GSL and Clem in DH EU, everything else has been quiet. Maru was not winning as much as he was in 2018, but he was still among one of the top Terran in the world in ANY tournament. He won the ST1 in 2020, the only Terran to EVER won it, against a top form Dark who was coming from his Blizzcon victory in 2019 was not a lucky run.
In 2021, Maru has been the most successful Terran in term of tournament run, and prize money earned. He was VERY CONSISTENT in TvT and TvP much more than everyone else in the pro. Despite his struggle in TvZ, Maru still made it very deep in any tournament that he played in.
Lastly, the amount of the matches played is not as important as the TIMING of those matches. If you think playing at late hour for 4 days straight, and then switch to an afternoon event, especially after the gruesome 7-games Final series is NOT taxing to the body and the mind of the player, you may try to go pro and try it yourself. Maybe you havent heard it, but mental fatigue is A THING. Remember before this GSL losses, Maru was losing a SINGLE series in TvP and TvT in 2021, that includes IEM, ST2, GSL1, DH Global and NeXT which are plenty of matches to show his dominance over the matchup.
I get that Maru was still going to play anway, he and his fan should make no excuse, that still doesnt mean we can deny that ESL and GSL screw him up this time with the schedule.
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On July 06 2021 00:55 angry_maia wrote:
Question: would terran players trade not using ghosts for the protoss player not being able to use disruptors? Basically, is it preferable to deal with storm (without emp) as opposed to disruptor?
In pro matches, I feel like disruptor gets a little boring to watch since so many fights are essentially decided by whether it lands or not.
Would make mech or hybrid builds better in TvP since Mech don't care much about storm
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Northern Ireland27403 Posts
It’s annoying. I think the scheduling here wasn’t ideal but it’s literally every tournament Maru loses there’s some kind of excuse.
Was a great group for entertainment. For me it was tough for Maru in that sOs and Zoun had completely different game plans against him, that said if he didn’t eat that Disruptor hit he probably still gets out.
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Maru is still rank5 on Aligulac, and outside of Serral Reynor Trap he's probably the strongest performing player overall for the past year or so.
Clem gets a lot of points due to his wins on Serral&Reynor, but doesnt find as much success against KR Protoss it seems.
He just had a bad performance, I think you guys throw players under the bus way too fucking fast.
Maru is IMO the top Terran and a contender on any tournament.
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On July 06 2021 20:21 Blastmally wrote:
The Maru Fanboys Train...
His last win in a tournament was King of Battles 2020-10-11 were he fought so so in the Group Stage (2nd place) and went to win beating only terrans in the playoffs.
His last big tournament win was AfreecaTV GSL ST1 2020-03-28 with a good run against the usual "old" Korean players (half of them are at military service).
Then you've got to go GSL S1 Spring 2019 to see another victory in a big tournament.
Maru in 2021 has played 48 matches: Serral (who doesn't play so much outside big tournaments) has played 65 matches in 2021, Reynor 143 matches !!!
With all the respect for Maru, he is still a great player and being able to reach a couple of big finals in the last months is very good, but he lacks a lot of practice in tournaments and at the moment his winning chances are overvalued.
And here you can insert fanboys lag, poorly sleep, bad wrist and all the usual whining stuff :D
Maru is still the best performing terran this year by a good margin. Top 4 IEM, top 2 gsl, top 3 NeXT, and top 2 dh summer finals. The only terran even close to him in results is clem, who won dh europe, but then showed how vulnerable he is in non tvz matchups (top 6 iem, top 6 tsl, top 8 NeXT, didn't make it out of groups in dh summer finals). Maru could bomb out of every tournament from here on out til the next IEM and he still would likely be the top terran performer
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France13018 Posts
On July 07 2021 00:04 WombaT wrote:
It’s annoying. I think the scheduling here wasn’t ideal but it’s literally every tournament Maru loses there’s some kind of excuse.
Was a great group for entertainment. For me it was tough for Maru in that sOs and Zoun had completely different game plans against him, that said if he didn’t eat that Disruptor hit he probably still gets out.
Well he is the best Terran by far now that TY is gone, so if he loses everybody knows there is no hope of a Terran winner. Therefore, people probably prefer having « excuses » for his losses than thinking about balance and the likes.
But maybe Bunny and SpeCial will prove us wrong and win the whole thing.
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On July 07 2021 00:43 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2021 00:04 WombaT wrote:
It’s annoying. I think the scheduling here wasn’t ideal but it’s literally every tournament Maru loses there’s some kind of excuse.
Was a great group for entertainment. For me it was tough for Maru in that sOs and Zoun had completely different game plans against him, that said if he didn’t eat that Disruptor hit he probably still gets out. Well he is the best Terran by far now that TY is gone, so if he loses everybody knows there is no hope of a Terran winner. Therefore, people probably prefer having « excuses » for his losses than thinking about balance and the likes. But maybe Bunny and SpeCial will prove us wrong and win the whole thing.
It is a bit shame that 4 horsemen of Terran now reduced to only Maru as the beholder of the title.
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Mexico2170 Posts
Maru was in a loss loss situation. He can't miss dreamhack due to the prize pool, but he can't miss GSl either. In dream back he had ping and terrible hours, and in gsl he was exhausted. What is that about him missing season2? I'm guessing to qualify to DH you need to get to the round of 8 gsl?
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SC2 is a high variance game, that's why the 'best' player is always losing tournaments. In the ESL open cups yesterday Cure won 2 of them, but got knocked out 2-0 by uthermal. Shit happens fast in SC2
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France13018 Posts
On July 07 2021 01:44 [Phantom] wrote:
Maru was in a loss loss situation. He can't miss dreamhack due to the prize pool, but he can't miss GSl either. In dream back he had ping and terrible hours, and in gsl he was exhausted. What is that about him missing season2? I'm guessing to qualify to DH you need to get to the round of 8 gsl?
I think only top 4 from GSL have a direct seed to DH:Finals, and the 4 players from 5-8 battle for 2 spots iirc?
So yeah the finalist of DH:EU Finals is not qualified for the next one only a day later
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Northern Ireland27403 Posts
On July 07 2021 00:43 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2021 00:04 WombaT wrote:
It’s annoying. I think the scheduling here wasn’t ideal but it’s literally every tournament Maru loses there’s some kind of excuse.
Was a great group for entertainment. For me it was tough for Maru in that sOs and Zoun had completely different game plans against him, that said if he didn’t eat that Disruptor hit he probably still gets out. Well he is the best Terran by far now that TY is gone, so if he loses everybody knows there is no hope of a Terran winner. Therefore, people probably prefer having « excuses » for his losses than thinking about balance and the likes. But maybe Bunny and SpeCial will prove us wrong and win the whole thing.
Bunny looks to have exited the Bunny zone, interested to see if he can keep up his recent breakthroughs.
He is clearly the Terran hope now is Maru but the excuses for him any time he loses have long been a thing even back when Inno, TY and others were legitimate championship contenders
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