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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-15 12:13:18
May 11 2021 18:14 GMT
#1

World Team League 2021 Summer


Thursday, May 13 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
Saturday, May 15 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Sunday, May 16 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

(Wiki)World Team League/2021/Summer/Regular Season

Streams


cn SCBoy
uk WardiTV | uk CreightonOlsen
kr CrankTV | fr Legendk


Format


  • Proleague Format
  • 3 sets of Bo2
  • Bo1 ace match if needed
Points distribution:
  • 3 points for a regular win
  • 2 points for an ace match win
  • 1 point for an ace match loss

Map rules

In each Bo2:
  • Map 1 is picked by the organisers
  • Map 2 is picked by the loser of map 1
In case of an ace match:
  • Map picked by the organisers

Organiser's Map Picks


Match 1
(Wiki)Oxide

Match 2
(Wiki)Beckett Industries

Match 3
(Wiki)Jagannatha

ACE
(Wiki)Romanticide

Week 7



Team LaoPaoer vs. Invictus Gaming
(Z)wanted vs (T)Coffee
mymy vs (T)XY
(P)Jieshi vs (P)MacSed

Team eXoN vs. KaiZi Gaming
(P)Gerald vs (Z)Solar
(T)SpeCial vs (T)INnoVation
MaxPax vs (T)TIME

Afreeca Freecs vs. Good Game Gaming
(P)Trap vs (T)Dream
(T)TY vs (P)Patience
(Z)Armani vs (P)Cyan

Team GP vs. Dragon Phoenix Gaming
(P)Prince vs (Z)Rogue
(T)Ryung vs (Z)Dark
(Z)Rex vs (P)Zest

Alpha X vs. Shopify Rebellion
(Z)RagnaroK vs (Z)Lambo
(P)Astrea vs (T)ByuN
(P)Zoun vs (Z)Scarlett

Team NV vs. Team Liquid
(T)Maru vs (T)Clem
(T)Bunny vs (T)uThermal
(P)sOs vs (P)Harstem


Standings


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"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-11 18:18:38
May 11 2021 18:14 GMT
#2
Poll: Team LaoPaoer vs. Invictus Gaming winner?

Invictus Gaming (8)
 
80%

Team LaoPaoer (2)
 
20%

10 total votes

Your vote: Team LaoPaoer vs. Invictus Gaming winner?

(Vote): Team LaoPaoer
(Vote): Invictus Gaming



Poll: Team eXoN vs. KaiZi Gaming winner?

KaiZi Gaming (7)
 
58%

Team eXoN (5)
 
42%

12 total votes

Your vote: Team eXoN vs. KaiZi Gaming winner?

(Vote): Team eXoN
(Vote): KaiZi Gaming



Poll: Afreeca Freecs vs. Good Game Gaming winner?

Afreeca Freecs (5)
 
56%

Good Game Gaming (4)
 
44%

9 total votes

Your vote: Afreeca Freecs vs. Good Game Gaming winner?

(Vote): Afreeca Freecs
(Vote): Good Game Gaming



Poll: Team GP vs. Dragon Phoenix Gaming winner?

Dragon Phoenix Gaming (7)
 
70%

Team GP (3)
 
30%

10 total votes

Your vote: Team GP vs. Dragon Phoenix Gaming winner?

(Vote): Team GP
(Vote): Dragon Phoenix Gaming



Poll: Alpha X vs. Shopify Rebellion winner?

Shopify Rebellion (6)
 
55%

Alpha X (5)
 
45%

11 total votes

Your vote: Alpha X vs. Shopify Rebellion winner?

(Vote): Alpha X
(Vote): Shopify Rebellion



Poll: Team NV vs. Team Liquid winner?

Team NV (9)
 
69%

Team Liquid (4)
 
31%

13 total votes

Your vote: Team NV vs. Team Liquid winner?

(Vote): Team NV
(Vote): Team Liquid



"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
May 11 2021 18:15 GMT
#3
Note that this week the first matches are on Thursday. No matches Friday, and then Saturday + Sunday as usual.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33374 Posts
May 11 2021 19:54 GMT
#4
Those sunday games
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
710 Posts
May 11 2021 20:14 GMT
#5
alphax vs shopify looks really good on paper
"Code S > IEM > Super Tournament > Homestory Cup > Blizzcon/WESG > GSL vs The World > Invitational tournaments in China with Koreans > WCS events" - Rodya
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-12 17:10:31
May 12 2021 17:10 GMT
#6
No Liquibets this week? We really need these to inflate all our percentages (while not changing the standings at all).
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
May 12 2021 17:21 GMT
#7
On May 13 2021 02:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
No Liquibets this week? We really need these to inflate all our percentages (while not changing the standings at all).

Personally I think the Liquibet Season should end right at this moment. Stop the count!
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
May 12 2021 17:29 GMT
#8
On May 13 2021 02:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
No Liquibets this week? We really need these to inflate all our percentages (while not changing the standings at all).

I bet 10 liquibet points Seeker didn't realize the first match is on Thursday tomorrow
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 12 2021 18:02 GMT
#9
On May 13 2021 02:29 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2021 02:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
No Liquibets this week? We really need these to inflate all our percentages (while not changing the standings at all).

I bet 10 liquibet points Seeker didn't realize the first match is on Thursday tomorrow


Seeker plz.

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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
May 12 2021 21:22 GMT
#10
Clem-Maru is on!

Those sunday matches are something else, every match up is super interesting.

My prediction:
- 4-2 AlphaX
- 4-3 Liquid
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
May 13 2021 12:27 GMT
#11
Here I thought LP would resist a bit more against Invictus.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
May 13 2021 12:29 GMT
#12
On May 13 2021 21:27 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Here I thought LP would resist a bit more against Invictus.

But what about that 10/10 recall by Jieshi? He's losing in the main, he's losing in the 3rd, he recalls from the main to the 3rd
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
May 13 2021 12:40 GMT
#13
And Byun retains his position as the only player to drop a game against LP
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3396 Posts
May 13 2021 13:04 GMT
#14
Gerald tried really hard to make the Toss ground army work against Lurker, but I think its too micro-intensive to work against that composition.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
May 13 2021 13:05 GMT
#15
Disgusting "glhf" and "gl" being thrown around in this match
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
May 13 2021 13:31 GMT
#16
Judging from the auras, this is Super Saiyan vs farmer with shotgun.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
May 13 2021 13:59 GMT
#17
The theme of this day of WTL is apparently "Confidently jumping on armies you can't actually defeat"
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
May 13 2021 14:09 GMT
#18
On May 13 2021 22:59 Elentos wrote:
The theme of this day of WTL is apparently "Confidently jumping on armies you can't actually defeat"

Fake it 'till you make it, I guess? :D
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-13 14:24:11
May 13 2021 14:21 GMT
#19
WTL will be moved an hour back to 9pm KST/8pm CST/2pm CEST starting this Saturday.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
May 15 2021 13:20 GMT
#20
In all my years of Starcraft 2, I've never seen a game quite like TY vs Patience on Romanticide.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4406 Posts
May 15 2021 15:15 GMT
#21
How was Ryung vs Dark? Very surprised to see he took a map.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
May 15 2021 15:39 GMT
#22
On May 16 2021 00:15 JJH777 wrote:
How was Ryung vs Dark? Very surprised to see he took a map.

Dark went for a roach based (into lurker) macro game on the best Terran map and Ryung slowly wittled him down with bio/tank. Pretty straightforward. 2nd game was even more one-sided in Dark's favor.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
May 16 2021 08:12 GMT
#23
sOs vs Harstem is played first today for NV vs TL btw, on the original 3rd set map.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
seopthi
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
391 Posts
May 16 2021 12:13 GMT
#24
is Creighton not casting these anymore?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
May 16 2021 12:40 GMT
#25
Great start by AX, is Astrea can steal a map here, they are in prime position.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
May 16 2021 12:56 GMT
#26
On May 16 2021 21:40 Nakajin wrote:
Great start by AX, is Astrea can steal a map here, they are in prime position.

As opposed to Team LP who are in PRIME position
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-16 13:41:13
May 16 2021 13:36 GMT
#27
Crucial win by AlphaX

Edit: Clem-Maru being last makes me worry TL are gonna 4-0 before it
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
May 16 2021 13:37 GMT
#28
I wonder how many people voted for Shopify out of bias for Scarlett
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
May 16 2021 14:21 GMT
#29
Well that was rough for Liquid.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
May 16 2021 14:25 GMT
#30
On May 16 2021 23:21 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Well that was rough for Liquid.

Can't blame them for losing to the team with the best player on earth
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
May 16 2021 14:26 GMT
#31
On May 16 2021 23:25 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2021 23:21 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Well that was rough for Liquid.

Can't blame them for losing to the team with the best player on earth

Yeah, love WTL for bringing us more sOs matches.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
May 16 2021 14:27 GMT
#32
On May 16 2021 23:26 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2021 23:25 Durnuu wrote:
On May 16 2021 23:21 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Well that was rough for Liquid.

Can't blame them for losing to the team with the best player on earth

Yeah, love WTL for bringing us more sOs matches.

Glad to see neither of us thought about Maru
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-16 14:32:07
May 16 2021 14:30 GMT
#33
It's not over by any mean for TL going to the playoff but they just missed a good chance to at least go grab a point.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12840 Posts
May 16 2021 14:43 GMT
#34
How can Team NV be at fourth place with 7-0 record and even +22 maps w/l compared to a team at 6-1 and only +17?
This seems like this weird format is kinda bad :/. Hopefully they still get a decent seed by the end
WriterMaru
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-16 14:47:16
May 16 2021 14:46 GMT
#35
On May 16 2021 23:43 Poopi wrote:
How can Team NV be at fourth place with 7-0 record and even +22 maps w/l compared to a team at 6-1 and only +17?
This seems like this weird format is kinda bad :/. Hopefully they still get a decent seed by the end

Standings are decided in order of:

Points
Map-score differential
Head-to-head record
Additional tie-breaker matches if teams are still tied after 1, 2, & 3
Points are awarded as follows:

3 points for a 'normal' victory in a series that does not require an ace match
2 points for a victory in a series that requires an ace-match
1 point for a loss in a series that requires an ace-match
0 points for a loss in a series that does not require an ace match

Yeah, this ranking system makes no sense, but that's how it is
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
May 16 2021 14:47 GMT
#36
On May 16 2021 23:43 Poopi wrote:
How can Team NV be at fourth place with 7-0 record and even +22 maps w/l compared to a team at 6-1 and only +17?
This seems like this weird format is kinda bad :/. Hopefully they still get a decent seed by the end

Pretty sure the points are simply not updated yet. They should have 19 now, tied with Afreeca.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
May 16 2021 14:47 GMT
#37
On May 16 2021 23:43 Poopi wrote:
How can Team NV be at fourth place with 7-0 record and even +22 maps w/l compared to a team at 6-1 and only +17?
This seems like this weird format is kinda bad :/. Hopefully they still get a decent seed by the end

The points on Liquipedia aren't updated yet, they're 2nd not 4th.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
May 16 2021 14:51 GMT
#38
Nice warming first game between Goat Maru and the rising Clem.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12840 Posts
May 16 2021 15:02 GMT
#39
On May 16 2021 23:47 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2021 23:43 Poopi wrote:
How can Team NV be at fourth place with 7-0 record and even +22 maps w/l compared to a team at 6-1 and only +17?
This seems like this weird format is kinda bad :/. Hopefully they still get a decent seed by the end

The points on Liquipedia aren't updated yet, they're 2nd not 4th.

Oh alright, that makes more sense. Still a weird format, but the good thing is that losing teams are rewarded if they at least make the match close.
WriterMaru
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
May 16 2021 15:08 GMT
#40
Lord of ravens = Maru
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-16 15:10:54
May 16 2021 15:09 GMT
#41
And here we are, sOs finding a way to ruin the day.

The Maru-Clem games definitely delivered at least
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4915 Posts
May 16 2021 15:15 GMT
#42
Maru is just too good at TvT
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-16 15:25:23
May 16 2021 15:23 GMT
#43
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote:
Maru is just too good at TvT


The first game was too close. It just that Clem's proxy starport gave him some time advantage and Maru react slowly to spread his SCVs at the beginning of game when dropping his helions at the same time. Even behind by the shortage of SCVs, Maru still can catch up to Clem' air & upgrade advantages later.

The 2nd game was pretty forward on Maru's capitalizing his massive Ravens to counter Clem's air controls.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
May 16 2021 15:42 GMT
#44
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote:
Maru is just too good at TvT


TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT.
Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.

Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.

tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3396 Posts
May 16 2021 15:53 GMT
#45
On May 17 2021 00:42 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote:
Maru is just too good at TvT


TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT.
Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.

Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.


It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense.
TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about.
And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
May 16 2021 16:29 GMT
#46
On May 17 2021 00:53 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2021 00:42 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote:
Maru is just too good at TvT


TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT.
Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.

Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.


It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense.
TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about.
And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.


Maru's fanbois...
Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?

Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.

Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4915 Posts
May 16 2021 16:40 GMT
#47
On May 17 2021 00:42 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote:
Maru is just too good at TvT


TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT.
Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.

Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.




True, TY is a really smart player and really good in TvT. He exploits much better knowing how a player plays than any other programer, which shows a lot vs korean terrans, including maru , and not so much vs any other terrans. Problem for TY is that he falls flatter than Maru in any other category but in the head to head record.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3396 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-16 17:13:51
May 16 2021 17:12 GMT
#48
On May 17 2021 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2021 00:53 tigera6 wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:42 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote:
Maru is just too good at TvT


TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT.
Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.

Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.


It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense.
TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about.
And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.


Maru's fanbois...
Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?

Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.

Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.


And you are not a Clem/Serral fanboy? Lets keep name-calling each other because that REALLY help our case, damn kid are sensitive.
Game 1 was a close one DESPITE Clem took a huge lead, and it should not be that close if Clem is that good in TvT like you are making him to be.
And you were the one who bring up "he shine more in TvT", so can I consider that as sleight to Maru TvP? Damn right I can. If you dont want other to mis-understand what you wrote, clear it up.
TY TvT is the best overall, but his late game is not matching Maru, both can be true. His GSL Final and IEM victory over Maru was mostly on mid-game advantage, and he kept that advatage to the end rather nicely. If both sides head into lategame with the same position, I would still favor Maru. If you dont agree with that, maybe just show me TY late game TvT prowress with superior compostion and micro-ability.
tennisl
Profile Joined March 2018
United Kingdom44 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-16 17:42:11
May 16 2021 17:41 GMT
#49
@Xain0n calm down, there is a discussion between Clem and Maru, nothing to do with TY. Even thought TY has only 56% of maps against Maru (1-1 in GSL finals), saying that "TY heavily disagree" is incorrect.

Back to today series: In game 1, Clem cheesed and took a huge lead, even there playing from behind Maru was very close to end the game .

In game 2 Maru just outplayed Clem
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
May 16 2021 17:46 GMT
#50
On May 17 2021 02:12 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2021 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:53 tigera6 wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:42 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote:
Maru is just too good at TvT


TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT.
Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.

Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.


It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense.
TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about.
And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.


Maru's fanbois...
Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?

Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.

Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.


And you are not a Clem/Serral fanboy? Lets keep name-calling each other because that REALLY help our case, damn kid are sensitive.
Game 1 was a close one DESPITE Clem took a huge lead, and it should not be that close if Clem is that good in TvT like you are making him to be.
And you were the one who bring up "he shine more in TvT", so can I consider that as sleight to Maru TvP? Damn right I can. If you dont want other to mis-understand what you wrote, clear it up.
TY TvT is the best overall, but his late game is not matching Maru, both can be true. His GSL Final and IEM victory over Maru was mostly on mid-game advantage, and he kept that advatage to the end rather nicely. If both sides head into lategame with the same position, I would still favor Maru. If you dont agree with that, maybe just show me TY late game TvT prowress with superior compostion and micro-ability.


I, for sure, don't claim Serral or Clem to be too good in a certain matchup when they go 1-1 in a bo2.

Clem's TvT results in 2021 seem to indicate that's he is either the 3rd or the 4th in the matchup, roughly on par with Cure and above Byun and Dream; stylistically, also, he's extremely aggressive and strong in the early-mid game so I confirm that, while Maru is better in TvT and stronger in the lategame, Clem is too good to effectively waste an advantage like the one he had in that game.

You can understand whatever you want or can but it I have clearly written that MAYBE Maru's lategame prowess shines MORE in TvT because of the matchup favoring comebacks more than the others; Maru has been plain steamrolling people in TvP this year just as you said, there was no reason to assume the lack of mention of Maru's TvP was indicative of anything.

I am pretty sure TY beat Maru in their last Code S finals in at least one game with Raven/Vikings or BCs/Vikings.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
May 16 2021 17:59 GMT
#51
On May 17 2021 02:46 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2021 02:12 tigera6 wrote:
On May 17 2021 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:53 tigera6 wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:42 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote:
Maru is just too good at TvT


TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT.
Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.

Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.


It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense.
TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about.
And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.


Maru's fanbois...
Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?

Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.

Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.


And you are not a Clem/Serral fanboy? Lets keep name-calling each other because that REALLY help our case, damn kid are sensitive.
Game 1 was a close one DESPITE Clem took a huge lead, and it should not be that close if Clem is that good in TvT like you are making him to be.
And you were the one who bring up "he shine more in TvT", so can I consider that as sleight to Maru TvP? Damn right I can. If you dont want other to mis-understand what you wrote, clear it up.
TY TvT is the best overall, but his late game is not matching Maru, both can be true. His GSL Final and IEM victory over Maru was mostly on mid-game advantage, and he kept that advatage to the end rather nicely. If both sides head into lategame with the same position, I would still favor Maru. If you dont agree with that, maybe just show me TY late game TvT prowress with superior compostion and micro-ability.


I, for sure, don't claim Serral or Clem to be too good in a certain matchup when they go 1-1 in a bo2.

Clem's TvT results in 2021 seem to indicate that's he is either the 3rd or the 4th in the matchup, roughly on par with Cure and above Byun and Dream; stylistically, also, he's extremely aggressive and strong in the early-mid game so I confirm that, while Maru is better in TvT and stronger in the lategame, Clem is too good to effectively waste an advantage like the one he had in that game.

You can understand whatever you want or can but it I have clearly written that MAYBE Maru's lategame prowess shines MORE in TvT because of the matchup favoring comebacks more than the others; Maru has been plain steamrolling people in TvP this year just as you said, there was no reason to assume the lack of mention of Maru's TvP was indicative of anything.

I am pretty sure TY beat Maru in their last Code S finals in at least one game with Raven/Vikings or BCs/Vikings.


Y'all are sleeping on INno tvt!
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4406 Posts
May 16 2021 18:20 GMT
#52
On May 17 2021 02:46 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2021 02:12 tigera6 wrote:
On May 17 2021 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:53 tigera6 wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:42 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote:
Maru is just too good at TvT


TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT.
Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.

Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.


It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense.
TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about.
And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.


Maru's fanbois...
Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?

Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.

Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.


And you are not a Clem/Serral fanboy? Lets keep name-calling each other because that REALLY help our case, damn kid are sensitive.
Game 1 was a close one DESPITE Clem took a huge lead, and it should not be that close if Clem is that good in TvT like you are making him to be.
And you were the one who bring up "he shine more in TvT", so can I consider that as sleight to Maru TvP? Damn right I can. If you dont want other to mis-understand what you wrote, clear it up.
TY TvT is the best overall, but his late game is not matching Maru, both can be true. His GSL Final and IEM victory over Maru was mostly on mid-game advantage, and he kept that advatage to the end rather nicely. If both sides head into lategame with the same position, I would still favor Maru. If you dont agree with that, maybe just show me TY late game TvT prowress with superior compostion and micro-ability.


I, for sure, don't claim Serral or Clem to be too good in a certain matchup when they go 1-1 in a bo2.

Clem's TvT results in 2021 seem to indicate that's he is either the 3rd or the 4th in the matchup, roughly on par with Cure and above Byun and Dream; stylistically, also, he's extremely aggressive and strong in the early-mid game so I confirm that, while Maru is better in TvT and stronger in the lategame, Clem is too good to effectively waste an advantage like the one he had in that game.

You can understand whatever you want or can but it I have clearly written that MAYBE Maru's lategame prowess shines MORE in TvT because of the matchup favoring comebacks more than the others; Maru has been plain steamrolling people in TvP this year just as you said, there was no reason to assume the lack of mention of Maru's TvP was indicative of anything.

I am pretty sure TY beat Maru in their last Code S finals in at least one game with Raven/Vikings or BCs/Vikings.


Clem did waste his advantage in game 1 today though. Maru just didn't realize how good his position was and didn't back off. If after the initial part of the base trade where Maru was up like 50 supply he had just went back home with everything and cleared his natural then Clem was totally dead. Maru would have had an upgrade lead, 40+ scv lead, and roughly equal army. Which is insane considering how that game was going before the base trade.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4915 Posts
May 17 2021 12:49 GMT
#53
On May 17 2021 02:59 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2021 02:46 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 02:12 tigera6 wrote:
On May 17 2021 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:53 tigera6 wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:42 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote:
Maru is just too good at TvT


TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT.
Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.

Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.


It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense.
TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about.
And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.


Maru's fanbois...
Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?

Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.

Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.


And you are not a Clem/Serral fanboy? Lets keep name-calling each other because that REALLY help our case, damn kid are sensitive.
Game 1 was a close one DESPITE Clem took a huge lead, and it should not be that close if Clem is that good in TvT like you are making him to be.
And you were the one who bring up "he shine more in TvT", so can I consider that as sleight to Maru TvP? Damn right I can. If you dont want other to mis-understand what you wrote, clear it up.
TY TvT is the best overall, but his late game is not matching Maru, both can be true. His GSL Final and IEM victory over Maru was mostly on mid-game advantage, and he kept that advatage to the end rather nicely. If both sides head into lategame with the same position, I would still favor Maru. If you dont agree with that, maybe just show me TY late game TvT prowress with superior compostion and micro-ability.


I, for sure, don't claim Serral or Clem to be too good in a certain matchup when they go 1-1 in a bo2.

Clem's TvT results in 2021 seem to indicate that's he is either the 3rd or the 4th in the matchup, roughly on par with Cure and above Byun and Dream; stylistically, also, he's extremely aggressive and strong in the early-mid game so I confirm that, while Maru is better in TvT and stronger in the lategame, Clem is too good to effectively waste an advantage like the one he had in that game.

You can understand whatever you want or can but it I have clearly written that MAYBE Maru's lategame prowess shines MORE in TvT because of the matchup favoring comebacks more than the others; Maru has been plain steamrolling people in TvP this year just as you said, there was no reason to assume the lack of mention of Maru's TvP was indicative of anything.

I am pretty sure TY beat Maru in their last Code S finals in at least one game with Raven/Vikings or BCs/Vikings.


Y'all are sleeping on INno tvt!



with the power of hindsight... no we dont.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
May 17 2021 15:52 GMT
#54
On May 17 2021 21:49 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2021 02:59 Nakajin wrote:
On May 17 2021 02:46 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 02:12 tigera6 wrote:
On May 17 2021 01:29 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:53 tigera6 wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:42 Xain0n wrote:
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote:
Maru is just too good at TvT


TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT.
Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.

Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.


It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense.
TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about.
And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.


Maru's fanbois...
Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?

Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.

Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.


And you are not a Clem/Serral fanboy? Lets keep name-calling each other because that REALLY help our case, damn kid are sensitive.
Game 1 was a close one DESPITE Clem took a huge lead, and it should not be that close if Clem is that good in TvT like you are making him to be.
And you were the one who bring up "he shine more in TvT", so can I consider that as sleight to Maru TvP? Damn right I can. If you dont want other to mis-understand what you wrote, clear it up.
TY TvT is the best overall, but his late game is not matching Maru, both can be true. His GSL Final and IEM victory over Maru was mostly on mid-game advantage, and he kept that advatage to the end rather nicely. If both sides head into lategame with the same position, I would still favor Maru. If you dont agree with that, maybe just show me TY late game TvT prowress with superior compostion and micro-ability.


I, for sure, don't claim Serral or Clem to be too good in a certain matchup when they go 1-1 in a bo2.

Clem's TvT results in 2021 seem to indicate that's he is either the 3rd or the 4th in the matchup, roughly on par with Cure and above Byun and Dream; stylistically, also, he's extremely aggressive and strong in the early-mid game so I confirm that, while Maru is better in TvT and stronger in the lategame, Clem is too good to effectively waste an advantage like the one he had in that game.

You can understand whatever you want or can but it I have clearly written that MAYBE Maru's lategame prowess shines MORE in TvT because of the matchup favoring comebacks more than the others; Maru has been plain steamrolling people in TvP this year just as you said, there was no reason to assume the lack of mention of Maru's TvP was indicative of anything.

I am pretty sure TY beat Maru in their last Code S finals in at least one game with Raven/Vikings or BCs/Vikings.


Y'all are sleeping on INno tvt!



with the power of hindsight... no we dont.


God damn reality, always proving me wrong.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
pelinore
Profile Joined February 2020
4 Posts
May 18 2021 10:05 GMT
#55
@tigera6 I mean no offense but you do come as pretty aggressive. how does "damn maru is so good at late game in every match-up" become "his mid-game is mediocre" for you and "maybe he shine even more in TvT because of the come-back potentials" is somehow perceived by you as a sleight to maru's TvP? chill down a bit, maru is great, no need to be insecure about it and see disrespect to him everywhere like you do.
thickertom
Profile Joined December 2014
China612 Posts
May 19 2021 08:18 GMT
#56
https://www.scboy.com/?thread-235648.htm

According to the message, Clan SLT may equal to the academy of GGG.
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meysonraxxton
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3 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-29 10:44:49
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