On May 13 2021 02:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote: No Liquibets this week? We really need these to inflate all our percentages (while not changing the standings at all).
Personally I think the Liquibet Season should end right at this moment. Stop the count!
On May 13 2021 02:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote: No Liquibets this week? We really need these to inflate all our percentages (while not changing the standings at all).
I bet 10 liquibet points Seeker didn't realize the first match is on Thursday tomorrow
On May 13 2021 02:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote: No Liquibets this week? We really need these to inflate all our percentages (while not changing the standings at all).
I bet 10 liquibet points Seeker didn't realize the first match is on Thursday tomorrow
On May 16 2021 00:15 JJH777 wrote: How was Ryung vs Dark? Very surprised to see he took a map.
Dark went for a roach based (into lurker) macro game on the best Terran map and Ryung slowly wittled him down with bio/tank. Pretty straightforward. 2nd game was even more one-sided in Dark's favor.
How can Team NV be at fourth place with 7-0 record and even +22 maps w/l compared to a team at 6-1 and only +17? This seems like this weird format is kinda bad :/. Hopefully they still get a decent seed by the end
On May 16 2021 23:43 Poopi wrote: How can Team NV be at fourth place with 7-0 record and even +22 maps w/l compared to a team at 6-1 and only +17? This seems like this weird format is kinda bad :/. Hopefully they still get a decent seed by the end
Standings are decided in order of:
Points Map-score differential Head-to-head record Additional tie-breaker matches if teams are still tied after 1, 2, & 3 Points are awarded as follows:
3 points for a 'normal' victory in a series that does not require an ace match 2 points for a victory in a series that requires an ace-match 1 point for a loss in a series that requires an ace-match 0 points for a loss in a series that does not require an ace match
Yeah, this ranking system makes no sense, but that's how it is
On May 16 2021 23:43 Poopi wrote: How can Team NV be at fourth place with 7-0 record and even +22 maps w/l compared to a team at 6-1 and only +17? This seems like this weird format is kinda bad :/. Hopefully they still get a decent seed by the end
Pretty sure the points are simply not updated yet. They should have 19 now, tied with Afreeca.
On May 16 2021 23:43 Poopi wrote: How can Team NV be at fourth place with 7-0 record and even +22 maps w/l compared to a team at 6-1 and only +17? This seems like this weird format is kinda bad :/. Hopefully they still get a decent seed by the end
The points on Liquipedia aren't updated yet, they're 2nd not 4th.
On May 16 2021 23:43 Poopi wrote: How can Team NV be at fourth place with 7-0 record and even +22 maps w/l compared to a team at 6-1 and only +17? This seems like this weird format is kinda bad :/. Hopefully they still get a decent seed by the end
The points on Liquipedia aren't updated yet, they're 2nd not 4th.
Oh alright, that makes more sense. Still a weird format, but the good thing is that losing teams are rewarded if they at least make the match close.
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote: Maru is just too good at TvT
The first game was too close. It just that Clem's proxy starport gave him some time advantage and Maru react slowly to spread his SCVs at the beginning of game when dropping his helions at the same time. Even behind by the shortage of SCVs, Maru still can catch up to Clem' air & upgrade advantages later.
The 2nd game was pretty forward on Maru's capitalizing his massive Ravens to counter Clem's air controls.
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote: Maru is just too good at TvT
TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT. Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.
Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote: Maru is just too good at TvT
TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT. Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.
Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.
It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense. TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about. And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote: Maru is just too good at TvT
TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT. Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.
Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.
It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense. TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about. And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.
Maru's fanbois... Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?
Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.
Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote: Maru is just too good at TvT
TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT. Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.
Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.
True, TY is a really smart player and really good in TvT. He exploits much better knowing how a player plays than any other programer, which shows a lot vs korean terrans, including maru , and not so much vs any other terrans. Problem for TY is that he falls flatter than Maru in any other category but in the head to head record.
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote: Maru is just too good at TvT
TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT. Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.
Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.
It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense. TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about. And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.
Maru's fanbois... Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?
Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.
Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.
And you are not a Clem/Serral fanboy? Lets keep name-calling each other because that REALLY help our case, damn kid are sensitive. Game 1 was a close one DESPITE Clem took a huge lead, and it should not be that close if Clem is that good in TvT like you are making him to be. And you were the one who bring up "he shine more in TvT", so can I consider that as sleight to Maru TvP? Damn right I can. If you dont want other to mis-understand what you wrote, clear it up. TY TvT is the best overall, but his late game is not matching Maru, both can be true. His GSL Final and IEM victory over Maru was mostly on mid-game advantage, and he kept that advatage to the end rather nicely. If both sides head into lategame with the same position, I would still favor Maru. If you dont agree with that, maybe just show me TY late game TvT prowress with superior compostion and micro-ability.
@Xain0n calm down, there is a discussion between Clem and Maru, nothing to do with TY. Even thought TY has only 56% of maps against Maru (1-1 in GSL finals), saying that "TY heavily disagree" is incorrect.
Back to today series: In game 1, Clem cheesed and took a huge lead, even there playing from behind Maru was very close to end the game .
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote: Maru is just too good at TvT
TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT. Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.
Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.
It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense. TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about. And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.
Maru's fanbois... Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?
Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.
Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.
And you are not a Clem/Serral fanboy? Lets keep name-calling each other because that REALLY help our case, damn kid are sensitive. Game 1 was a close one DESPITE Clem took a huge lead, and it should not be that close if Clem is that good in TvT like you are making him to be. And you were the one who bring up "he shine more in TvT", so can I consider that as sleight to Maru TvP? Damn right I can. If you dont want other to mis-understand what you wrote, clear it up. TY TvT is the best overall, but his late game is not matching Maru, both can be true. His GSL Final and IEM victory over Maru was mostly on mid-game advantage, and he kept that advatage to the end rather nicely. If both sides head into lategame with the same position, I would still favor Maru. If you dont agree with that, maybe just show me TY late game TvT prowress with superior compostion and micro-ability.
I, for sure, don't claim Serral or Clem to be too good in a certain matchup when they go 1-1 in a bo2.
Clem's TvT results in 2021 seem to indicate that's he is either the 3rd or the 4th in the matchup, roughly on par with Cure and above Byun and Dream; stylistically, also, he's extremely aggressive and strong in the early-mid game so I confirm that, while Maru is better in TvT and stronger in the lategame, Clem is too good to effectively waste an advantage like the one he had in that game.
You can understand whatever you want or can but it I have clearly written that MAYBE Maru's lategame prowess shines MORE in TvT because of the matchup favoring comebacks more than the others; Maru has been plain steamrolling people in TvP this year just as you said, there was no reason to assume the lack of mention of Maru's TvP was indicative of anything.
I am pretty sure TY beat Maru in their last Code S finals in at least one game with Raven/Vikings or BCs/Vikings.
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote: Maru is just too good at TvT
TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT. Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.
Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.
It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense. TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about. And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.
Maru's fanbois... Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?
Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.
Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.
And you are not a Clem/Serral fanboy? Lets keep name-calling each other because that REALLY help our case, damn kid are sensitive. Game 1 was a close one DESPITE Clem took a huge lead, and it should not be that close if Clem is that good in TvT like you are making him to be. And you were the one who bring up "he shine more in TvT", so can I consider that as sleight to Maru TvP? Damn right I can. If you dont want other to mis-understand what you wrote, clear it up. TY TvT is the best overall, but his late game is not matching Maru, both can be true. His GSL Final and IEM victory over Maru was mostly on mid-game advantage, and he kept that advatage to the end rather nicely. If both sides head into lategame with the same position, I would still favor Maru. If you dont agree with that, maybe just show me TY late game TvT prowress with superior compostion and micro-ability.
I, for sure, don't claim Serral or Clem to be too good in a certain matchup when they go 1-1 in a bo2.
Clem's TvT results in 2021 seem to indicate that's he is either the 3rd or the 4th in the matchup, roughly on par with Cure and above Byun and Dream; stylistically, also, he's extremely aggressive and strong in the early-mid game so I confirm that, while Maru is better in TvT and stronger in the lategame, Clem is too good to effectively waste an advantage like the one he had in that game.
You can understand whatever you want or can but it I have clearly written that MAYBE Maru's lategame prowess shines MORE in TvT because of the matchup favoring comebacks more than the others; Maru has been plain steamrolling people in TvP this year just as you said, there was no reason to assume the lack of mention of Maru's TvP was indicative of anything.
I am pretty sure TY beat Maru in their last Code S finals in at least one game with Raven/Vikings or BCs/Vikings.
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote: Maru is just too good at TvT
TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT. Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.
Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.
It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense. TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about. And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.
Maru's fanbois... Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?
Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.
Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.
And you are not a Clem/Serral fanboy? Lets keep name-calling each other because that REALLY help our case, damn kid are sensitive. Game 1 was a close one DESPITE Clem took a huge lead, and it should not be that close if Clem is that good in TvT like you are making him to be. And you were the one who bring up "he shine more in TvT", so can I consider that as sleight to Maru TvP? Damn right I can. If you dont want other to mis-understand what you wrote, clear it up. TY TvT is the best overall, but his late game is not matching Maru, both can be true. His GSL Final and IEM victory over Maru was mostly on mid-game advantage, and he kept that advatage to the end rather nicely. If both sides head into lategame with the same position, I would still favor Maru. If you dont agree with that, maybe just show me TY late game TvT prowress with superior compostion and micro-ability.
I, for sure, don't claim Serral or Clem to be too good in a certain matchup when they go 1-1 in a bo2.
Clem's TvT results in 2021 seem to indicate that's he is either the 3rd or the 4th in the matchup, roughly on par with Cure and above Byun and Dream; stylistically, also, he's extremely aggressive and strong in the early-mid game so I confirm that, while Maru is better in TvT and stronger in the lategame, Clem is too good to effectively waste an advantage like the one he had in that game.
You can understand whatever you want or can but it I have clearly written that MAYBE Maru's lategame prowess shines MORE in TvT because of the matchup favoring comebacks more than the others; Maru has been plain steamrolling people in TvP this year just as you said, there was no reason to assume the lack of mention of Maru's TvP was indicative of anything.
I am pretty sure TY beat Maru in their last Code S finals in at least one game with Raven/Vikings or BCs/Vikings.
Clem did waste his advantage in game 1 today though. Maru just didn't realize how good his position was and didn't back off. If after the initial part of the base trade where Maru was up like 50 supply he had just went back home with everything and cleared his natural then Clem was totally dead. Maru would have had an upgrade lead, 40+ scv lead, and roughly equal army. Which is insane considering how that game was going before the base trade.
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote: Maru is just too good at TvT
TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT. Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.
Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.
It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense. TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about. And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.
Maru's fanbois... Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?
Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.
Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.
And you are not a Clem/Serral fanboy? Lets keep name-calling each other because that REALLY help our case, damn kid are sensitive. Game 1 was a close one DESPITE Clem took a huge lead, and it should not be that close if Clem is that good in TvT like you are making him to be. And you were the one who bring up "he shine more in TvT", so can I consider that as sleight to Maru TvP? Damn right I can. If you dont want other to mis-understand what you wrote, clear it up. TY TvT is the best overall, but his late game is not matching Maru, both can be true. His GSL Final and IEM victory over Maru was mostly on mid-game advantage, and he kept that advatage to the end rather nicely. If both sides head into lategame with the same position, I would still favor Maru. If you dont agree with that, maybe just show me TY late game TvT prowress with superior compostion and micro-ability.
I, for sure, don't claim Serral or Clem to be too good in a certain matchup when they go 1-1 in a bo2.
Clem's TvT results in 2021 seem to indicate that's he is either the 3rd or the 4th in the matchup, roughly on par with Cure and above Byun and Dream; stylistically, also, he's extremely aggressive and strong in the early-mid game so I confirm that, while Maru is better in TvT and stronger in the lategame, Clem is too good to effectively waste an advantage like the one he had in that game.
You can understand whatever you want or can but it I have clearly written that MAYBE Maru's lategame prowess shines MORE in TvT because of the matchup favoring comebacks more than the others; Maru has been plain steamrolling people in TvP this year just as you said, there was no reason to assume the lack of mention of Maru's TvP was indicative of anything.
I am pretty sure TY beat Maru in their last Code S finals in at least one game with Raven/Vikings or BCs/Vikings.
On May 17 2021 00:15 Argonauta wrote: Maru is just too good at TvT
TY heavily disagrees, he's the real master of TvT. Maru is insanely good with lategame Terran armies in every matchup, he shines maybe more in TvT but I guess that's because it's more likely to allow comebacks.
Clem is no Heromarine, he won't lose from such a significant advantage.
It was a pretty damn close game 1, and Clem could have lost it as well. Acting like Clem was in no way of losing after taking that huge lead, is just simply non-sense. TY is more into the mid-game, and even when he beat Maru it was mostly base on the mid-game. And you acting like Maru mid-game is a joke or something, lol. He might not have the strongest mid-game but he almost never die except to all-in that he didnt know about. And Maru was not just about TvT, the man havent lost a single TvP series in 2021, yet you dont say anything about that is also funny as well.
Maru's fanbois... Where do you get that I think Maru's midgame is a joke? Also, why should I speak about Maru's TvP when I am replying to "Maru's TvT is too good"?
Game 1 was closer than it should have been because of how good Maru is but Clem won it nevertheless because, guess what, he's incredibly strong as well.
Maru will be the best TvT player around once TY is in the army; it's also not like TY couldn't beat Maru in a lategame scenario, it has happened more than once.
And you are not a Clem/Serral fanboy? Lets keep name-calling each other because that REALLY help our case, damn kid are sensitive. Game 1 was a close one DESPITE Clem took a huge lead, and it should not be that close if Clem is that good in TvT like you are making him to be. And you were the one who bring up "he shine more in TvT", so can I consider that as sleight to Maru TvP? Damn right I can. If you dont want other to mis-understand what you wrote, clear it up. TY TvT is the best overall, but his late game is not matching Maru, both can be true. His GSL Final and IEM victory over Maru was mostly on mid-game advantage, and he kept that advatage to the end rather nicely. If both sides head into lategame with the same position, I would still favor Maru. If you dont agree with that, maybe just show me TY late game TvT prowress with superior compostion and micro-ability.
I, for sure, don't claim Serral or Clem to be too good in a certain matchup when they go 1-1 in a bo2.
Clem's TvT results in 2021 seem to indicate that's he is either the 3rd or the 4th in the matchup, roughly on par with Cure and above Byun and Dream; stylistically, also, he's extremely aggressive and strong in the early-mid game so I confirm that, while Maru is better in TvT and stronger in the lategame, Clem is too good to effectively waste an advantage like the one he had in that game.
You can understand whatever you want or can but it I have clearly written that MAYBE Maru's lategame prowess shines MORE in TvT because of the matchup favoring comebacks more than the others; Maru has been plain steamrolling people in TvP this year just as you said, there was no reason to assume the lack of mention of Maru's TvP was indicative of anything.
I am pretty sure TY beat Maru in their last Code S finals in at least one game with Raven/Vikings or BCs/Vikings.
@tigera6 I mean no offense but you do come as pretty aggressive. how does "damn maru is so good at late game in every match-up" become "his mid-game is mediocre" for you and "maybe he shine even more in TvT because of the come-back potentials" is somehow perceived by you as a sleight to maru's TvP? chill down a bit, maru is great, no need to be insecure about it and see disrespect to him everywhere like you do.
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