On February 27 2021 03:16 [PkF] Wire wrote: I don't really like to say it but I feel this is a series to know who is going to be Zest's toy in the quarterfinals
Serral's ZvP record(and his h2h vs Zest) says otherwise; even Clem has the upper hand on Zest, historically, but I'd agree to see Zest as favored against him.
I agree we haven't seen Serral's vP since the loss vs Trap and he's bound to have worked on the mu. Does Clem have a positive h2h vs Zest ? That surprises me. But if he qualifies, I really don't see any other result than a 3-0 for Zest, too much experience and muscles for Clem to handle atm (and the pressure of having won vs Serral in the previous round, I don't think he'd be able to deal with that ; we saw something similar in the group stage where he kinda crumbled under pressure and exhaustion after the fantastic start)
Trap's PvZ was by far the best in the world when he defeated Serral, even if Serral didn't work on it I'd see him favored over Zest. Clem is 17-12 in maps against Zest and won their last three encounters.
thanks for the Clem stat, didn't know that. So we should get an interesting match whoever advances, I'm glad if I was wrong
On February 27 2021 03:28 dysenterymd wrote: The Serral goat discussion really depends on what you value, total lifetime achievement Serral is definitely still behind Maru, Inno, and Rogue but I also think he's had the highest peak of any player. If he wins another super major and some more big premier tournaments I'd consider him the GOAT, but not yet.
The Highest Skill Level hypothesis proposes that past StarCraft was terrible and all modern play is superior. One could extrapolate from this that the GOAT is the most recent and therefore highest skilled player to have won a StarCraft series. I therefore propose that, at least until the end of this series, Parting is the GOAT.
On February 27 2021 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Nathanias: Serral is the GOAT, the greatest player in StarCraft history.
wtf?
He's white
Don't be ridicolous. Serral's accomplishments as for 2021 are pretty relevant, it's not a joke claim anymore as it was three years ago; notice that I am not saying he is the GOAT.
Serral having solid accomplishments doesn't mean that "Serral is the GOAT" is no longer a joke claim.
Serral's accomplishments are not simply solid, they are outstanding. By the way, this is not the place to indulge in this discussion.
On February 27 2021 03:16 [PkF] Wire wrote: I don't really like to say it but I feel this is a series to know who is going to be Zest's toy in the quarterfinals
Serral's ZvP record(and his h2h vs Zest) says otherwise; even Clem has the upper hand on Zest, historically, but I'd agree to see Zest as favored against him.
I agree we haven't seen Serral's vP since the loss vs Trap and he's bound to have worked on the mu. Does Clem have a positive h2h vs Zest ? That surprises me. But if he qualifies, I really don't see any other result than a 3-0 for Zest, too much experience and muscles for Clem to handle atm (and the pressure of having won vs Serral in the previous round, I don't think he'd be able to deal with that ; we saw something similar in the group stage where he kinda crumbled under pressure and exhaustion after the fantastic start)
Trap's PvZ was by far the best in the world when he defeated Serral, even if Serral didn't work on it I'd see him favored over Zest. Clem is 17-12 in maps against Zest and won their last three encounters.
thanks for the Clem stat, didn't know that. So we should get an interesting match whoever advances, I'm glad if I was wrong
I think that Zest is indeed favored but I would be surprised if we got a stomp.
On February 27 2021 03:33 WombaT wrote: The level of play we're getting to see without latency is really quite noticeable, Clem's micro was really on point that game.
yeah, we saw that in PartinG vs INno as well. Wait...
On February 27 2021 03:28 dysenterymd wrote: The Serral goat discussion really depends on what you value, total lifetime achievement Serral is definitely still behind Maru, Inno, and Rogue but I also think he's had the highest peak of any player. If he wins another super major and some more big premier tournaments I'd consider him the GOAT, but not yet.
The Highest Skill Level hypothesis proposes that past StarCraft was terrible and all modern play is superior. One could extrapolate from this that the GOAT is the most recent and therefore highest skilled player to have won a StarCraft series. I therefore propose that, at least until the end of this series, Parting is the GOAT.
Haha so satisfying seeing a dirty Zerg screw himself over with those stupid counter backstabs. If he had the banes at home he would have easily defended
On February 27 2021 03:33 WombaT wrote: The level of play we're getting to see without latency is really quite noticeable, Clem's micro was really on point that game.
yeah, we saw that in PartinG vs INno as well. Wait...
On February 27 2021 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Nathanias: Serral is the GOAT, the greatest player in StarCraft history.
wtf?
He's white
Don't be ridicolous. Serral's accomplishments as for 2021 are pretty relevant, it's not a joke claim anymore as it was three years ago; notice that I am not saying he is the GOAT.
Serral having solid accomplishments doesn't mean that "Serral is the GOAT" is no longer a joke claim.
Serral's accomplishments are not simply solid, they are outstanding. By the way, this is not the place to indulge in this discussion.
Agreed they are outstanding. That's why he is for sure in the top 10 goat. But nowhere near top3 yet.
EPT
