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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45705 Posts
February 26 2021 18:22 GMT
#681
ZG: On a scale from 1 to 10, how excited are you?
CatZ: Way more than 10... Like, 11.

I love CatZ.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
February 26 2021 18:23 GMT
#682
Serral 3-1 methinks, but Clem could bring it.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 26 2021 18:23 GMT
#683
On February 27 2021 03:21 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Nathanias: Serral is the GOAT, the greatest player in StarCraft history.

wtf?

He's white


Don't be ridicolous. Serral's accomplishments as for 2021 are pretty relevant, it's not a joke claim anymore as it was three years ago; notice that I am not saying he is the GOAT.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45705 Posts
February 26 2021 18:23 GMT
#684
On February 27 2021 03:21 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Nathanias: Serral is the GOAT, the greatest player in StarCraft history.

wtf?

He's white


Confirmed that Thorzain is the real goat.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
February 26 2021 18:23 GMT
#685
oh no. the goat discussion is back 🙈
~~~~~
egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1199 Posts
February 26 2021 18:24 GMT
#686
On February 27 2021 03:16 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 03:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 27 2021 03:03 sneakyfox wrote:
On February 27 2021 03:01 Nakajin wrote:
On February 27 2021 02:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:
glorious series.

In all seriousness TY should win vs this PartinG


You know, if Clem or Zest can beat Serral, TY can probably get to the final fairly easily


Why is it so many people think TY has good TvP? It went downhill when he started playing BW and we haven't seen it back yet.

I don't know. But he has good TvPartinG and this should suffice to break the great wall of bullshit

He doesn't really have good TvPartinG (seriously check head to head PartinG had his number in every other year than 2020), it's just that his bullshit builds time out to hit faster than PartinG's bullshit builds.

It feels like TY workarounded his weakness to PartinG by hitting him faster with some hilarious proxy play
sOs TY PartinG
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
February 26 2021 18:24 GMT
#687
On February 27 2021 03:21 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 03:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I don't really like to say it but I feel this is a series to know who is going to be Zest's toy in the quarterfinals


Serral's ZvP record(and his h2h vs Zest) says otherwise; even Clem has the upper hand on Zest, historically, but I'd agree to see Zest as favored against him.

I agree we haven't seen Serral's vP since the loss vs Trap and he's bound to have worked on the mu. Does Clem have a positive h2h vs Zest ? That surprises me. But if he qualifies, I really don't see any other result than a 3-0 for Zest, too much experience and muscles for Clem to handle atm (and the pressure of having won vs Serral in the previous round, I don't think he'd be able to deal with that ; we saw something similar in the group stage where he kinda crumbled under pressure and exhaustion after the fantastic start)
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 26 2021 18:25 GMT
#688
On February 27 2021 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Nathanias: Serral is the GOAT, the greatest player in StarCraft history.

wtf?

Clem also has the best TvZ bar none so I think you've forgotten what universe casters live in.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
February 26 2021 18:25 GMT
#689
On February 27 2021 03:23 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 03:21 Durnuu wrote:
On February 27 2021 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Nathanias: Serral is the GOAT, the greatest player in StarCraft history.

wtf?

He's white


Don't be ridicolous. Serral's accomplishments as for 2021 are pretty relevant, it's not a joke claim anymore as it was three years ago; notice that I am not saying he is the GOAT.

You're the biggest Serral fanboy known to man, don't consider him to be the GOAT, but think it's not ridiculous to call him that?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45705 Posts
February 26 2021 18:26 GMT
#690
On February 27 2021 03:23 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 03:21 Durnuu wrote:
On February 27 2021 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Nathanias: Serral is the GOAT, the greatest player in StarCraft history.

wtf?

He's white


Don't be ridicolous. Serral's accomplishments as for 2021 are pretty relevant, it's not a joke claim anymore as it was three years ago; notice that I am not saying he is the GOAT.


Serral having solid accomplishments doesn't mean that "Serral is the GOAT" is no longer a joke claim.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
February 26 2021 18:26 GMT
#691
On February 27 2021 03:22 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 03:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 27 2021 03:16 Elentos wrote:
On February 27 2021 03:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 27 2021 03:03 sneakyfox wrote:
On February 27 2021 03:01 Nakajin wrote:
On February 27 2021 02:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:
glorious series.

In all seriousness TY should win vs this PartinG


You know, if Clem or Zest can beat Serral, TY can probably get to the final fairly easily


Why is it so many people think TY has good TvP? It went downhill when he started playing BW and we haven't seen it back yet.

I don't know. But he has good TvPartinG and this should suffice to break the great wall of bullshit

He doesn't really have good TvPartinG (seriously check head to head PartinG had his number in every other year than 2020), it's just that his bullshit builds time out to hit faster than PartinG's bullshit builds.

yeah talking about this year where his bullshit skills have improved rather drastically. If he dances that kind of tango with PartinG (and if PartinG complies, but as I said before I'm pretty sure he'll keep that "Protoss artist" attitude) I'm pretty confident he wins again.

I mean it's not like TY has much time to prepare for PartinG. It's hours compared to the week+ of GSL. But I do agree that TY probably has better odds when the games go to shit as opposed to playing a normal game. On the upside TY hasn't lost a game on the Korean server in this tournament

TY definitely would have preferred Inno every day of the year.

oh ofc he'd rather have played INno, especially current INno. But he still has very fine chances to get another year finals ro4
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 26 2021 18:26 GMT
#692
On February 27 2021 03:25 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 03:23 Xain0n wrote:
On February 27 2021 03:21 Durnuu wrote:
On February 27 2021 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Nathanias: Serral is the GOAT, the greatest player in StarCraft history.

wtf?

He's white


Don't be ridicolous. Serral's accomplishments as for 2021 are pretty relevant, it's not a joke claim anymore as it was three years ago; notice that I am not saying he is the GOAT.

You're the biggest Serral fanboy known to man, don't consider him to be the GOAT, but think it's not ridiculous to call him that?


I mean he has a fair shot in an argument
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45705 Posts
February 26 2021 18:27 GMT
#693
On February 27 2021 03:25 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Nathanias: Serral is the GOAT, the greatest player in StarCraft history.

wtf?

Clem also has the best TvZ bar none so I think you've forgotten what universe casters live in.


Now I want to see Clem beat Serral in this series, just for the caster tears.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26718 Posts
February 26 2021 18:28 GMT
#694
Goat discussion in the LR thread folks aye? Yesss

I swear to god... Are there any hellbat builds that are actually good? Serral almost got no notice there whatsoever and held without horrific losses.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 26 2021 18:28 GMT
#695
Who's this good for?
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45705 Posts
February 26 2021 18:28 GMT
#696
Serral with a very sizable lead in game one.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
February 26 2021 18:28 GMT
#697
The Serral goat discussion really depends on what you value, total lifetime achievement Serral is definitely still behind Maru, Inno, and Rogue but I also think he's had the highest peak of any player. If he wins another super major and some more big premier tournaments I'd consider him the GOAT, but not yet.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
February 26 2021 18:29 GMT
#698
On February 27 2021 03:28 Nakajin wrote:
Who's this good for?

I'd say Serral, but this remains playable
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 26 2021 18:29 GMT
#699
On February 27 2021 03:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 03:21 Xain0n wrote:
On February 27 2021 03:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I don't really like to say it but I feel this is a series to know who is going to be Zest's toy in the quarterfinals


Serral's ZvP record(and his h2h vs Zest) says otherwise; even Clem has the upper hand on Zest, historically, but I'd agree to see Zest as favored against him.

I agree we haven't seen Serral's vP since the loss vs Trap and he's bound to have worked on the mu. Does Clem have a positive h2h vs Zest ? That surprises me. But if he qualifies, I really don't see any other result than a 3-0 for Zest, too much experience and muscles for Clem to handle atm (and the pressure of having won vs Serral in the previous round, I don't think he'd be able to deal with that ; we saw something similar in the group stage where he kinda crumbled under pressure and exhaustion after the fantastic start)


Trap's PvZ was by far the best in the world when he defeated Serral, even if Serral didn't work on it I'd see him favored over Zest. Clem is 17-12 in maps against Zest and won their last three encounters.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45705 Posts
February 26 2021 18:31 GMT
#700
Great splits by Clem there.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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