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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7160 Posts
February 26 2021 16:12 GMT
#321
TvT lategame man
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 26 2021 16:13 GMT
#322
I keep forgetting that the upgraded Bunkers were folded into the Structure Armour upgrade.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45294 Posts
February 26 2021 16:14 GMT
#323
On February 27 2021 01:08 Waxangel wrote:
As long as we're here, here's my top X list of players i've cheered against SOLELY because of caster/fan bias

1: Scarlett
2: Flash
3: Stephano
4: Serral
5: TaeJa
6: Reynor
7: MKP
8: Mvp


I find that the bias towards some foreign players triggers me the most, especially when they don't have the results or are just playing decently well and not out-of-this-world.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
February 26 2021 16:14 GMT
#324
Well at least Heromarine is looking good while losing, which is how things should be.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4965 Posts
February 26 2021 16:14 GMT
#325
Maru is like: FINE if HM doesnt do the ByuN I will do the ByuN then
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 26 2021 16:14 GMT
#326
On February 27 2021 01:01 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 00:57 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:51 Argonauta wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:47 Xain0n wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:41 Durnuu wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:40 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:38 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
Did the casters even mention once that this was pretty much Stat's last tournament before his military service?

Reynor is the protagonist why would they

God damn faceless koreans

And then they wonder why Rogue sends them message like - nope, going to bed, no interview, i don't have camera anyway


Casters biased towards foreigners? Forums biased towards koreans.
Don't you see how balanced this is?



Tbf i am only biased against a bias, i guess to compensate? When I came to this game I was rotting hard for Scarlett, but then the overlooking of great players in favour of geographically more related people was quite disgusting...

Yeah, it's easy to be a fan of any player but when the casters or community go way overboard hyping one person (lets be honest, foreigners) it becomes hard to not just automatically root for the opposing player.

Knowing casters will keep going on about it for the next 18 months if one player wins makes you root against them.

The last straw for me with these casters was when Dark 4-0ed Serral at TSL6 and they decided to talk about how superior Serral is mechanically.

When Stats convincingly beat Serral at ASUS ROG but if you were listening with audio only you might have not realised he was even playing.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7160 Posts
February 26 2021 16:15 GMT
#327
On February 27 2021 01:14 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 01:01 Morbidius wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:57 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:51 Argonauta wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:47 Xain0n wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:41 Durnuu wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:40 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:38 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
Did the casters even mention once that this was pretty much Stat's last tournament before his military service?

Reynor is the protagonist why would they

God damn faceless koreans

And then they wonder why Rogue sends them message like - nope, going to bed, no interview, i don't have camera anyway


Casters biased towards foreigners? Forums biased towards koreans.
Don't you see how balanced this is?



Tbf i am only biased against a bias, i guess to compensate? When I came to this game I was rotting hard for Scarlett, but then the overlooking of great players in favour of geographically more related people was quite disgusting...

Yeah, it's easy to be a fan of any player but when the casters or community go way overboard hyping one person (lets be honest, foreigners) it becomes hard to not just automatically root for the opposing player.

Knowing casters will keep going on about it for the next 18 months if one player wins makes you root against them.

The last straw for me with these casters was when Dark 4-0ed Serral at TSL6 and they decided to talk about how superior Serral is mechanically.

When Stats convincingly beat Serral at ASUS ROG but if you were listening with audio only you might have not realised he was even playing.

Your fault for not listening to the Finnish cast (2-3 series btw, not "convincingly").
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
February 26 2021 16:15 GMT
#328
On February 27 2021 01:14 dysenterymd wrote:
Well at least Heromarine is looking good while losing, which is how things should be.

exactly the expected outcome yeah
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33560 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-26 16:16:54
February 26 2021 16:16 GMT
#329
On February 27 2021 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 01:08 Waxangel wrote:
As long as we're here, here's my top X list of players i've cheered against SOLELY because of caster/fan bias

1: Scarlett
2: Flash
3: Stephano
4: Serral
5: TaeJa
6: Reynor
7: MKP
8: Mvp


I find that the bias towards some foreign players triggers me the most, especially when they don't have the results or are just playing decently well and not out-of-this-world.


all of the players above were/are legitimately great for certain periods of time

but as snarky internet contrarians, it's our responsibility to throw cold water on ppl's hype the instant anyone becomes slightly overrated
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45294 Posts
February 26 2021 16:16 GMT
#330
This first TvT game is way more interesting than any of the Stats vs. Reynor games... and I really don't like watching TvT lol
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 26 2021 16:17 GMT
#331
On February 27 2021 01:15 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 01:14 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 01:01 Morbidius wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:57 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:51 Argonauta wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:47 Xain0n wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:41 Durnuu wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:40 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:38 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
Did the casters even mention once that this was pretty much Stat's last tournament before his military service?

Reynor is the protagonist why would they

God damn faceless koreans

And then they wonder why Rogue sends them message like - nope, going to bed, no interview, i don't have camera anyway


Casters biased towards foreigners? Forums biased towards koreans.
Don't you see how balanced this is?



Tbf i am only biased against a bias, i guess to compensate? When I came to this game I was rotting hard for Scarlett, but then the overlooking of great players in favour of geographically more related people was quite disgusting...

Yeah, it's easy to be a fan of any player but when the casters or community go way overboard hyping one person (lets be honest, foreigners) it becomes hard to not just automatically root for the opposing player.

Knowing casters will keep going on about it for the next 18 months if one player wins makes you root against them.

The last straw for me with these casters was when Dark 4-0ed Serral at TSL6 and they decided to talk about how superior Serral is mechanically.

When Stats convincingly beat Serral at ASUS ROG but if you were listening with audio only you might have not realised he was even playing.

Your fault for not listening to the Finnish cast (2-3 series btw, not "convincingly").

Zest vs Serral at Katowice was less convincing (also 2-3) and was the same
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
February 26 2021 16:17 GMT
#332
Warm-Up for maru.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26269 Posts
February 26 2021 16:17 GMT
#333
On February 27 2021 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 01:08 Waxangel wrote:
As long as we're here, here's my top X list of players i've cheered against SOLELY because of caster/fan bias

1: Scarlett
2: Flash
3: Stephano
4: Serral
5: TaeJa
6: Reynor
7: MKP
8: Mvp


I find that the bias towards some foreign players triggers me the most, especially when they don't have the results or are just playing decently well and not out-of-this-world.

If the bias was across the board it would make more sense.

Scarlett and Heromarine hype for example >>>>>>> caster hype for say, Elazer or Showtime when I think those players all are pretty comparable in level/historic results.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45294 Posts
February 26 2021 16:17 GMT
#334
Solid game number one for both players.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7160 Posts
February 26 2021 16:17 GMT
#335
On February 27 2021 01:17 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 01:15 Luolis wrote:
On February 27 2021 01:14 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 01:01 Morbidius wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:57 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:51 Argonauta wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:47 Xain0n wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:41 Durnuu wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:40 Fango wrote:
[quote]
Reynor is the protagonist why would they

God damn faceless koreans

And then they wonder why Rogue sends them message like - nope, going to bed, no interview, i don't have camera anyway


Casters biased towards foreigners? Forums biased towards koreans.
Don't you see how balanced this is?



Tbf i am only biased against a bias, i guess to compensate? When I came to this game I was rotting hard for Scarlett, but then the overlooking of great players in favour of geographically more related people was quite disgusting...

Yeah, it's easy to be a fan of any player but when the casters or community go way overboard hyping one person (lets be honest, foreigners) it becomes hard to not just automatically root for the opposing player.

Knowing casters will keep going on about it for the next 18 months if one player wins makes you root against them.

The last straw for me with these casters was when Dark 4-0ed Serral at TSL6 and they decided to talk about how superior Serral is mechanically.

When Stats convincingly beat Serral at ASUS ROG but if you were listening with audio only you might have not realised he was even playing.

Your fault for not listening to the Finnish cast (2-3 series btw, not "convincingly").

Zest vs Serral at Katowice was less convincing (also 2-3) and was the same

Sure. Again i'll counter with "Your fault for not listening to the Finnish cast" )
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 26 2021 16:17 GMT
#336
On February 27 2021 01:16 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 27 2021 01:08 Waxangel wrote:
As long as we're here, here's my top X list of players i've cheered against SOLELY because of caster/fan bias

1: Scarlett
2: Flash
3: Stephano
4: Serral
5: TaeJa
6: Reynor
7: MKP
8: Mvp


I find that the bias towards some foreign players triggers me the most, especially when they don't have the results or are just playing decently well and not out-of-this-world.


all of the players above were/are legitimately great for certain periods of time

but as snarky internet contrarians, it's our responsibility to throw cold water on ppl's hype the instant anyone becomes slightly overrated


You could just support Protoss then.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-26 16:18:27
February 26 2021 16:18 GMT
#337
On February 27 2021 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 01:08 Waxangel wrote:
As long as we're here, here's my top X list of players i've cheered against SOLELY because of caster/fan bias

1: Scarlett
2: Flash
3: Stephano
4: Serral
5: TaeJa
6: Reynor
7: MKP
8: Mvp


I find that the bias towards some foreign players triggers me the most, especially when they don't have the results or are just playing decently well and not out-of-this-world.

A lot of the time they have results, they just get blown out of proportion. When Neeb had a 15% winrate against Koreans one year but won one match against Rogue (despite being swept by soO and Rogue again right after) they still talk about it 4 years later.

It was the same when Showtime beat ByuN at blizzcon despite losing every other match he ever played against korean terrans.

They don't do this kind of stuff when a C tier korean wins 1/10 matches against one of the champions.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
February 26 2021 16:18 GMT
#338
Oh it's that time I need to remind everyone how awfully ugly Heromarine's teamshirt is
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26269 Posts
February 26 2021 16:18 GMT
#339
On February 27 2021 01:17 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 01:16 Waxangel wrote:
On February 27 2021 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 27 2021 01:08 Waxangel wrote:
As long as we're here, here's my top X list of players i've cheered against SOLELY because of caster/fan bias

1: Scarlett
2: Flash
3: Stephano
4: Serral
5: TaeJa
6: Reynor
7: MKP
8: Mvp


I find that the bias towards some foreign players triggers me the most, especially when they don't have the results or are just playing decently well and not out-of-this-world.


all of the players above were/are legitimately great for certain periods of time

but as snarky internet contrarians, it's our responsibility to throw cold water on ppl's hype the instant anyone becomes slightly overrated


You could just support Protoss then.

I would not recommend dooming yourself to about 11 months of pain a year and then a promising month that reintroduces hope into your life only to be crushed post-haste.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 26 2021 16:19 GMT
#340
On February 27 2021 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 01:08 Waxangel wrote:
As long as we're here, here's my top X list of players i've cheered against SOLELY because of caster/fan bias

1: Scarlett
2: Flash
3: Stephano
4: Serral
5: TaeJa
6: Reynor
7: MKP
8: Mvp


I find that the bias towards some foreign players triggers me the most, especially when they don't have the results or are just playing decently well and not out-of-this-world.


Right now there is no bias toward foreign players that don't have the results or are just playing decently.
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