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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4965 Posts
February 26 2021 15:51 GMT
#281
On February 27 2021 00:47 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 00:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:41 Durnuu wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:40 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:38 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
Did the casters even mention once that this was pretty much Stat's last tournament before his military service?

Reynor is the protagonist why would they

God damn faceless koreans

And then they wonder why Rogue sends them message like - nope, going to bed, no interview, i don't have camera anyway


Casters biased towards foreigners? Forums biased towards koreans.
Don't you see how balanced this is?



Tbf i am only biased against a bias, i guess to compensate? When I came to this game I was rotting hard for Scarlett, but then the overlooking of great players in favour of geographically more related people was quite disgusting...
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
February 26 2021 15:51 GMT
#282
HeRoMaRinE upsetting Maru would be pretty hype.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
February 26 2021 15:52 GMT
#283
On February 27 2021 00:51 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
HeRoMaRinE upsetting Maru would be pretty hype.


That would put us into the third 'death of Korean starcraft' era in the past 4 years
Year of MaxPax
atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1711 Posts
February 26 2021 15:53 GMT
#284
On February 27 2021 00:50 Nakajin wrote:
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On February 27 2021 00:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Hopefully Maru wins vs. HM.


Honestly I think HM-Rogue wouldn't be a bad match up, he looks like his tvz his on point, I'm just afraid he tend to be someone who need to play a lot against someone before playing to his best.


HM vs Rogue - only a sadist wants to watch that
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26269 Posts
February 26 2021 15:53 GMT
#285
On February 27 2021 00:33 geokilla wrote:
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On February 27 2021 00:30 Darkhorse wrote:
It is funny that it takes one tournament for the consensus to go from 2 SG openers are unbeatable to 2 SG openers are garbage and easy to counter

I think if this was played on LAN, it'll be a lot different. Stargate openers are very strong. Don't forget that Ling runby did quite a bit of damage. I don't think Stats would have let that happen if it was on LAN.

I'm unsure, quite a lot could just be nerves or genuine errors from Statsu.

I still think it's tough for Protoss given how much mileage they have to get out of fragile units like Oracles or prisms to a lesser extent to keep the Zerg from growing exponentially. Compared to when Stats and Serral were trading blows for a period when LANs were still a thing, it certainly seems like Stats is way more conservative with units like Oracles. Not sure if that's an adjustment for cross-server play or just the newer styles we're seeing these days.

Hey it's the best we can hope for and we're still getting some good Starcraft, so can only complain so much!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1711 Posts
February 26 2021 15:54 GMT
#286
On February 27 2021 00:53 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 00:33 geokilla wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:30 Darkhorse wrote:
It is funny that it takes one tournament for the consensus to go from 2 SG openers are unbeatable to 2 SG openers are garbage and easy to counter

I think if this was played on LAN, it'll be a lot different. Stargate openers are very strong. Don't forget that Ling runby did quite a bit of damage. I don't think Stats would have let that happen if it was on LAN.

I'm unsure, quite a lot could just be nerves or genuine errors from Statsu.

I still think it's tough for Protoss given how much mileage they have to get out of fragile units like Oracles or prisms to a lesser extent to keep the Zerg from growing exponentially. Compared to when Stats and Serral were trading blows for a period when LANs were still a thing, it certainly seems like Stats is way more conservative with units like Oracles. Not sure if that's an adjustment for cross-server play or just the newer styles we're seeing these days.

Hey it's the best we can hope for and we're still getting some good Starcraft, so can only complain so much!


can you still attribute nerves to such an experienced, credited and storied player?
Poaktree
Profile Joined January 2017
165 Posts
February 26 2021 15:55 GMT
#287
Why are people doubting Maru? This is going to be EZ 3-0.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
February 26 2021 15:56 GMT
#288
On February 27 2021 00:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Hopefully Maru wins vs. HM.

Rogue is the next opponent, so it should be Maru victory, but then who knows in what condition is he.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 26 2021 15:57 GMT
#289
On February 27 2021 00:51 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 00:47 Xain0n wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:41 Durnuu wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:40 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:38 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
Did the casters even mention once that this was pretty much Stat's last tournament before his military service?

Reynor is the protagonist why would they

God damn faceless koreans

And then they wonder why Rogue sends them message like - nope, going to bed, no interview, i don't have camera anyway


Casters biased towards foreigners? Forums biased towards koreans.
Don't you see how balanced this is?



Tbf i am only biased against a bias, i guess to compensate? When I came to this game I was rotting hard for Scarlett, but then the overlooking of great players in favour of geographically more related people was quite disgusting...

Yeah, it's easy to be a fan of any player but when the casters or community go way overboard hyping one person (lets be honest, foreigners) it becomes hard to not just automatically root for the opposing player.

Knowing casters will keep going on about it for the next 18 months if one player wins makes you root against them.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 26 2021 15:58 GMT
#290
On February 27 2021 00:55 Poaktree wrote:
Why are people doubting Maru? This is going to be EZ 3-0.

I don't think anyone is betting against Maru but you can't expect everyone to be all "lol this isn't worth watching" before a high profile match.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3531 Posts
February 26 2021 15:59 GMT
#291
On February 27 2021 00:57 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 00:51 Argonauta wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:47 Xain0n wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:41 Durnuu wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:40 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:38 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
Did the casters even mention once that this was pretty much Stat's last tournament before his military service?

Reynor is the protagonist why would they

God damn faceless koreans

And then they wonder why Rogue sends them message like - nope, going to bed, no interview, i don't have camera anyway


Casters biased towards foreigners? Forums biased towards koreans.
Don't you see how balanced this is?



Tbf i am only biased against a bias, i guess to compensate? When I came to this game I was rotting hard for Scarlett, but then the overlooking of great players in favour of geographically more related people was quite disgusting...

Yeah, it's easy to be a fan of any player but when the casters or community go way overboard hyping one person (lets be honest, foreigners) it becomes hard to not just automatically root for the opposing player.

Knowing casters will keep going on about it for the next 18 months if one player wins makes you root against them.

Actually this is what amde me root against neeb/scarlett in the past alot of times, as i felt they were getting way too much hype (even tho they were obv rly good at times).
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-26 16:00:19
February 26 2021 15:59 GMT
#292
On February 27 2021 00:57 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 00:51 Argonauta wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:47 Xain0n wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:41 Durnuu wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:40 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:38 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
Did the casters even mention once that this was pretty much Stat's last tournament before his military service?

Reynor is the protagonist why would they

God damn faceless koreans

And then they wonder why Rogue sends them message like - nope, going to bed, no interview, i don't have camera anyway


Casters biased towards foreigners? Forums biased towards koreans.
Don't you see how balanced this is?



Tbf i am only biased against a bias, i guess to compensate? When I came to this game I was rotting hard for Scarlett, but then the overlooking of great players in favour of geographically more related people was quite disgusting...

Yeah, it's easy to be a fan of any player but when the casters or community go way overboard hyping one person (lets be honest, foreigners) it becomes hard to not just automatically root for the opposing player.

Knowing casters will keep going on about it for the next 18 months if one player wins makes you root against them.

yea definitely, you're right about the 18 months thing, or more lol
"Expert" mods4ever.com
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26269 Posts
February 26 2021 16:00 GMT
#293
On February 27 2021 00:54 atrox_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 00:53 WombaT wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:33 geokilla wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:30 Darkhorse wrote:
It is funny that it takes one tournament for the consensus to go from 2 SG openers are unbeatable to 2 SG openers are garbage and easy to counter

I think if this was played on LAN, it'll be a lot different. Stargate openers are very strong. Don't forget that Ling runby did quite a bit of damage. I don't think Stats would have let that happen if it was on LAN.

I'm unsure, quite a lot could just be nerves or genuine errors from Statsu.

I still think it's tough for Protoss given how much mileage they have to get out of fragile units like Oracles or prisms to a lesser extent to keep the Zerg from growing exponentially. Compared to when Stats and Serral were trading blows for a period when LANs were still a thing, it certainly seems like Stats is way more conservative with units like Oracles. Not sure if that's an adjustment for cross-server play or just the newer styles we're seeing these days.

Hey it's the best we can hope for and we're still getting some good Starcraft, so can only complain so much!


can you still attribute nerves to such an experienced, credited and storied player?

Absolutely, look at Trap earlier this week. Rare is the person who has completely conquered nerves and shows their best game every time they come out.

I do think ping is a debilitating factor that impacts particular styles and races more than others, but some mistakes just aren't attributable to it. Reynor let adepts in one game, Stats let lings in in the final game and those were just outright mistakes, not something they couldn't react to with 1/200ms added on.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
February 26 2021 16:01 GMT
#294
On February 27 2021 00:57 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 00:51 Argonauta wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:47 Xain0n wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:41 Durnuu wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:40 Fango wrote:
On February 27 2021 00:38 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
Did the casters even mention once that this was pretty much Stat's last tournament before his military service?

Reynor is the protagonist why would they

God damn faceless koreans

And then they wonder why Rogue sends them message like - nope, going to bed, no interview, i don't have camera anyway


Casters biased towards foreigners? Forums biased towards koreans.
Don't you see how balanced this is?



Tbf i am only biased against a bias, i guess to compensate? When I came to this game I was rotting hard for Scarlett, but then the overlooking of great players in favour of geographically more related people was quite disgusting...

Yeah, it's easy to be a fan of any player but when the casters or community go way overboard hyping one person (lets be honest, foreigners) it becomes hard to not just automatically root for the opposing player.

Knowing casters will keep going on about it for the next 18 months if one player wins makes you root against them.

The last straw for me with these casters was when Dark 4-0ed Serral at TSL6 and they decided to talk about how superior Serral is mechanically.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 26 2021 16:02 GMT
#295
Man, the people in this thread would have completely stopped watching StarCraft if they'd been around during the Tastosis Nestea days.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7160 Posts
February 26 2021 16:03 GMT
#296
On February 27 2021 01:02 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Man, the people in this thread would have completely stopped watching StarCraft if they'd been around during the Tastosis Nestea days.

No it's different because Nestea is korean and he was just superior /s
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-26 16:03:51
February 26 2021 16:03 GMT
#297
On February 27 2021 01:02 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Man, the people in this thread would have completely stopped watching StarCraft if they'd been around during the Tastosis Nestea days.

I feel like that was different though, idk, because it was compared more directly to his peers I guess, and it was partially played as a joke
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
February 26 2021 16:03 GMT
#298
On February 27 2021 01:02 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Man, the people in this thread would have completely stopped watching StarCraft if they'd been around during the Tastosis Nestea days.

No, they would stop if there was no mute button. Thankfully there is
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33559 Posts
February 26 2021 16:04 GMT
#299
On February 27 2021 01:03 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2021 01:02 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Man, the people in this thread would have completely stopped watching StarCraft if they'd been around during the Tastosis Nestea days.

No it's different because Nestea is korean and he was just superior /s


no u mean Flash
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
February 26 2021 16:04 GMT
#300
Considering the amount of times that Zergs have died to scouted all-ins, soul trains and other strats from the Big Book throughout SC2's history, it's kind of ironic to see the tables turned.
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