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irvnasty
Profile Joined July 2019
United States211 Posts
December 19 2020 19:58 GMT
#61
There's a true irony to seeing the best zerg players trying insane midgame strategies because they don't feel comfortable heading into lategame on even footing.

How far we've come from 2018-2019.
GuMiho | TY | TIME | AqueroN | Rogue | RagnaroK | Scarlett | sOs | Astrea
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
December 19 2020 20:00 GMT
#62
Great games today, and it's really nice to see Day9 again
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 19 2020 20:00 GMT
#63
On December 20 2020 04:58 irvnasty wrote:
There's a true irony to seeing the best zerg players trying insane midgame strategies because they don't feel comfortable heading into lategame on even footing.

How far we've come from 2018-2019.


How far we've come from six months ago.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
December 19 2020 20:01 GMT
#64
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power". That being said, Serral messed that up pretty bad lol
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
December 19 2020 20:03 GMT
#65
On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power".

can you please elaborate what that is supposed to mean
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 19 2020 20:04 GMT
#66
On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power". That being said, Serral messed that up pretty bad lol


It's amazing that we hear this nonsense any time Zerg isn't by far the best race.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
December 19 2020 20:05 GMT
#67
On December 20 2020 05:03 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power".

can you please elaborate what that is supposed to mean


Zerg has the weakest all-ins, weakest cheeses, and is least capable of timing attacks. So when Zerg lategame is the worst lategame of the three races (I really think Terran is slightly better lategame right now), it's reallyyyy bad for them.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
December 19 2020 20:05 GMT
#68
On December 20 2020 05:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power". That being said, Serral messed that up pretty bad lol


It's amazing that we hear this nonsense any time Zerg isn't by far the best race.


It's not nonsense at all.
irvnasty
Profile Joined July 2019
United States211 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-19 20:06:52
December 19 2020 20:06 GMT
#69
On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power". That being said, Serral messed that up pretty bad lol


I agree completely.

BUT, I think protoss's current advantage late is pretty trivial compared to where we were a year or two years ago. But I think the current void is too fast which makes it too easy for protoss to "take a shortcut" to skytoss.
GuMiho | TY | TIME | AqueroN | Rogue | RagnaroK | Scarlett | sOs | Astrea
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 19 2020 20:09 GMT
#70
On December 20 2020 05:05 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2020 05:03 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power".

can you please elaborate what that is supposed to mean


Zerg has the weakest all-ins, weakest cheeses, and is least capable of timing attacks. So when Zerg lategame is the worst lategame of the three races (I really think Terran is slightly better lategame right now), it's reallyyyy bad for them.


It's been a month since Zerg has won a premier tournament--clearly the race is in a hopeless spot.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
December 19 2020 20:11 GMT
#71
On December 20 2020 05:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2020 05:05 TentativePanda wrote:
On December 20 2020 05:03 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power".

can you please elaborate what that is supposed to mean


Zerg has the weakest all-ins, weakest cheeses, and is least capable of timing attacks. So when Zerg lategame is the worst lategame of the three races (I really think Terran is slightly better lategame right now), it's reallyyyy bad for them.


It's been a month since Zerg has won a premier tournament--clearly the race is in a hopeless spot.


You're the one doing the exaggerating not me. All-in-all I think balance is in a pretty good spot right now, and I'm happy Protoss is doing well again. The game is practically impossible to perfectly balance, and there will always be issues (some minor) to point out
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
December 19 2020 20:11 GMT
#72
What IS the German taxi?
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10122 Posts
December 19 2020 20:12 GMT
#73
i want a buff to the orange cloud ><

im getting afraid for showtime now, Serral is defending well
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10122 Posts
December 19 2020 20:13 GMT
#74
On December 20 2020 05:11 Heartland wrote:
What IS the German taxi?

queens on overlords
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
December 19 2020 20:13 GMT
#75
On December 20 2020 05:11 Heartland wrote:
What IS the German taxi?

3 base roach ravager queen all in where you ferry 8 queens in 2 overlords with speed to kill void ray openers
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-19 20:14:42
December 19 2020 20:13 GMT
#76
On December 20 2020 05:11 Heartland wrote:
What IS the German taxi?


Queen-dropperlord all-in to counter void ray openings.

On December 20 2020 05:13 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2020 05:11 Heartland wrote:
What IS the German taxi?

3 base roach ravager queen all in where you ferry 8 queens in 2 overlords with speed to kill void ray openers


Six queens for the original version I think. Maybe Elazer's variation has 8 queens--I don't remember.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
December 19 2020 20:15 GMT
#77
It's gonna be looooooong night. Poor byun.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13325 Posts
December 19 2020 20:16 GMT
#78
Good old 3 hours ZvP series, never change European starcraft
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
December 19 2020 20:16 GMT
#79
Thanks for the reply everyone. Weird that I haven't seen it in M3
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
December 19 2020 20:17 GMT
#80
On December 20 2020 05:16 Durnuu wrote:
Good old 3 hours ZvP series, never change European starcraft


mana vs firecake never forget
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