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Go Reynor, Rogue, Maru, Stats, Elazer and Serral!
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Where's Day J and the trumpets? :/
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3/4 of the winner's semis side is foreigners, which is impressive! and the losers' side is all Koreans + Reynor, which'll be super hyped too!
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Hypothesis: the LR2 is the most stacked losers bracket round in history
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o come on... 6:30am match for Byun vs Elazer. This TSL6 just hasn't been ideal for Byun fans in SEA. Almost all his matches have been at ungodly hours for us.
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Hope the racial distribution evens out a little bit closer to the finals.
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Cool play by RagnaroK, but the position Reynor found with the two spores between the nat and third was just too perfect.
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so many matches today! putting the zvzs first so the view count can build up is pretty smart :p
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wow that was a beautiful hold
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On December 20 2020 02:07 sneakyfox wrote:
Day9 hype
^^
cool muta skin for Dark!
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Did the mutas kill anything other than changelings? O.o
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On December 20 2020 02:13 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Did the mutas kill anything other than changelings? O.o
they killed one overlord 
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I don't like Dark going for mutas here. It seems like he was just plain ahead in an otherwise straightforward game.
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korean zvz ... why did Rogue attack there as if he was super all-in
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I need few longer zvz games
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Looking at Showtime's road... Neeb, Ty, Zest and next Serral, if he wins against Serral oh man what a climb.
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On December 20 2020 02:45 whiterabbit wrote:
Looking at Showtime's road... Neeb, Ty, Zest and next Serral, if he wins against Serral oh man what a climb.
I am happy if he does. Now it is time for him to shine.
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How many time lasted these two series combined ? 1h25/30 right ?
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On December 20 2020 03:09 stilt wrote:
How many time lasted these two series combined ? 1h25/30 right ?
Harstem's prediction is alive
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Muta wars utterly incomprehensible for a noob non-zerg.
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On December 20 2020 03:09 stilt wrote:
How many time lasted these two series combined ? 1h25/30 right ?
Hoping for no long games from showtime vs serral...
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This should be interesting. Both players really seem to want to play mutas in ZvZ just about as much as they can get away with.
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Oh sick, I didn't realize this was the first rematch between Dark and Reynor since the BlizzCon finals :0
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Wow.
While my heart picks for both these series were not Dark, he really is playing out of his mind recently.
In case anyone has not seen it, I highly recommend his series (both of them) vs Maru from the recent Theatre of Dreams tournament.
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Has Dark finally got top zvz again :o
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On December 20 2020 03:14 habeck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 03:09 stilt wrote:
How many time lasted these two series combined ? 1h25/30 right ? Hoping for no long games from showtime vs serral...
Haha same
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Is my boy Dark good again?
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Day9 was pretty bad at assessing the situation.
Gg dark !
That said, Reynor threw, what a terrible game by him.
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Damn, Dark's ZvZ is on point today!
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Holy shit, what a game. Dark is back.
He must be itching to beat Serral now.
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Reynor lost by being the one not getting lurkers, the irony!
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Hype for Dark winning TSL6.
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Man Reynor overdroned, damn!
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Oh my god Dark.
He was behind in like every game he won. Borderline dead.
Between this series and Theatre of Dreams, Dark is looking on top of the SC2 world right now.
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day9's analysis is so off, oh well, at least he's passionate
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Reynor played like he has the same mental block against Dark that Serral has against Reynor this year.
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On December 20 2020 04:37 Xain0n wrote:
Reynor lost by being the one not getting lurkers, the irony!
The way the game panned out he didn't really have a way to get into lurkers.
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Seem to remember Serral saying Lightshade isn't the place to go mutas.
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Dark didn't realize that he nearly won when Reynor lost his queens and had no larvae. When Dark decided to retreat and play for a longer game... things got really, really crazy. One of the best ZvZs of the year.
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Really glad that they changed Serral game to be played earlier.
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On December 20 2020 04:42 Weavel wrote:
Really glad that they changed Serral game to be played earlier.
Yeah, wouldn't want players to play at 3 am 
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gogo ShoWTimE. Need to keep some toss alive in this thing.
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time to build a wall around suomi if you catch my drift go showtime!!
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On December 20 2020 04:38 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Oh my god Dark.
He was behind in like every game he won. Borderline dead.
Between this series and Theatre of Dreams, Dark is looking on top of the SC2 world right now.
Aren't you exaggerating a little?
After six months of obscurity, Dark is back to a very good level.
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On December 20 2020 04:43 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 04:42 Weavel wrote:
Really glad that they changed Serral game to be played earlier. Yeah, wouldn't want players to play at 3 am
ByuN rip
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On December 20 2020 04:45 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 04:38 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Oh my god Dark.
He was behind in like every game he won. Borderline dead.
Between this series and Theatre of Dreams, Dark is looking on top of the SC2 world right now. Aren't you exaggerating a little? After six months of obscurity, Dark is back to a very good level.
In my opinion, after seeing his recent games, I think his form is better than anyone else's right now.
Given that he is literally the world champion, and has beaten Maru, Byun, Rogue and Reynor in the last few days, that hardly seems like it would be an exaggeration.
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ngl this build is a bit stronger if you dont lose 5 queens in ur dropships
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Cool carjacking defense to the German taxi. At the very least you buy yourself a lot of time by sending the void rays to intercept, and sometimes you get a lot more like here.
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There's a true irony to seeing the best zerg players trying insane midgame strategies because they don't feel comfortable heading into lategame on even footing.
How far we've come from 2018-2019.
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Great games today, and it's really nice to see Day9 again
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On December 20 2020 04:58 irvnasty wrote:
There's a true irony to seeing the best zerg players trying insane midgame strategies because they don't feel comfortable heading into lategame on even footing.
How far we've come from 2018-2019.
How far we've come from six months ago.
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Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power". That being said, Serral messed that up pretty bad lol
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On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power".
can you please elaborate what that is supposed to mean
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On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power". That being said, Serral messed that up pretty bad lol
It's amazing that we hear this nonsense any time Zerg isn't by far the best race.
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On December 20 2020 05:03 Andi_Goldberger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power". can you please elaborate what that is supposed to mean
Zerg has the weakest all-ins, weakest cheeses, and is least capable of timing attacks. So when Zerg lategame is the worst lategame of the three races (I really think Terran is slightly better lategame right now), it's reallyyyy bad for them.
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On December 20 2020 05:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power". That being said, Serral messed that up pretty bad lol It's amazing that we hear this nonsense any time Zerg isn't by far the best race.
It's not nonsense at all.
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On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power". That being said, Serral messed that up pretty bad lol
I agree completely.
BUT, I think protoss's current advantage late is pretty trivial compared to where we were a year or two years ago. But I think the current void is too fast which makes it too easy for protoss to "take a shortcut" to skytoss.
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On December 20 2020 05:05 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 05:03 Andi_Goldberger wrote:On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power". can you please elaborate what that is supposed to mean Zerg has the weakest all-ins, weakest cheeses, and is least capable of timing attacks. So when Zerg lategame is the worst lategame of the three races (I really think Terran is slightly better lategame right now), it's reallyyyy bad for them.
It's been a month since Zerg has won a premier tournament--clearly the race is in a hopeless spot.
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On December 20 2020 05:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 05:05 TentativePanda wrote:On December 20 2020 05:03 Andi_Goldberger wrote:On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power". can you please elaborate what that is supposed to mean Zerg has the weakest all-ins, weakest cheeses, and is least capable of timing attacks. So when Zerg lategame is the worst lategame of the three races (I really think Terran is slightly better lategame right now), it's reallyyyy bad for them. It's been a month since Zerg has won a premier tournament--clearly the race is in a hopeless spot.
You're the one doing the exaggerating not me. All-in-all I think balance is in a pretty good spot right now, and I'm happy Protoss is doing well again. The game is practically impossible to perfectly balance, and there will always be issues (some minor) to point out
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i want a buff to the orange cloud ><
im getting afraid for showtime now, Serral is defending well
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On December 20 2020 05:11 Heartland wrote:
What IS the German taxi?
queens on overlords
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On December 20 2020 05:11 Heartland wrote:
What IS the German taxi?
3 base roach ravager queen all in where you ferry 8 queens in 2 overlords with speed to kill void ray openers
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On December 20 2020 05:11 Heartland wrote:
What IS the German taxi?
Queen-dropperlord all-in to counter void ray openings.
On December 20 2020 05:13 Andi_Goldberger wrote:3 base roach ravager queen all in where you ferry 8 queens in 2 overlords with speed to kill void ray openers
Six queens for the original version I think. Maybe Elazer's variation has 8 queens--I don't remember.
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It's gonna be looooooong night. Poor byun.
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Good old 3 hours ZvP series, never change European starcraft
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Thanks for the reply everyone. Weird that I haven't seen it in M3
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On December 20 2020 05:16 Durnuu wrote:
Good old 3 hours ZvP series, never change European starcraft
mana vs firecake never forget
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These guys wanna make Harstem's first prediction right after game 1
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On December 20 2020 05:15 Weavel wrote:
It's gonna be looooooong night. Poor byun.
It will be 8:30 AM for him when his match started, so I'm assuming he will just wake up early for it. Had like a week to adjust his sleep schedule. And it'll be like 12:30 AM for Elazer
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On December 20 2020 05:15 Weavel wrote:
It's gonna be looooooong night. Poor byun.
Thankfully the other maps shouldn't last as long as Romanticide, but yeah poor ByuN.
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What do you call lategame where every single resource on the map is mined out?
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10 Mins from now a million carriers gonna roll Serral in a super anticlimactic way
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On December 20 2020 05:24 TentativePanda wrote:
10 Mins from now a million carriers gonna roll Serral in a super anticlimactic way
Lol nevermind Serral sped up the process
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That fight wasn't even close.
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Wow.
That's kinda disgusting.
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that was one of the best chances for Serral and it wasnt even close 
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Mass corruptor on top of archons. Ouch.
EDIT: I think Serral might be a little tilted from that game. Here comes the ShoWTimE cannon rush.
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I'm so glad for this game, Zergs have gotten away with bullshit in this matchup for too long, as a Toss I am super happy to see Zergs losing to this
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With the void ray offposition that was prolly the best shot but that's rough
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reminder that this game started with failed queen push
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On December 20 2020 05:16 Durnuu wrote:
Good old 3 hours ZvP series, never change European starcraft
Long ZvPs are an NA thing now
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Alright, need a few more games like this for Harstem's prediction
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On December 20 2020 05:28 Zzzapper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 05:16 Durnuu wrote:
Good old 3 hours ZvP series, never change European starcraft Long ZvPs are an NA thing now
It's a foreigner thing, really. But NA is so irrelevant I forgot about them
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No shroud?
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Showtimes PvZ is on a completely different level compared to even msot koreans tosses, you dont want to go lategame v him. But even trying to kill him before iss pretty damn hard
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On December 20 2020 05:28 Durnuu wrote:
Alright, need a few more games like this for Harstem's prediction
Do we have the exact score?
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Yeah, Serral was playing that game from a major deficit after attempting and brutally failing an all-in. It was close enough that he probably would have won if he'd just played standard into the lategame.
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On December 20 2020 05:29 sneakyfox wrote:No shroud?
It's just so useless once storm shows up--also he was mainly going for corruptors.
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On December 20 2020 05:32 AzAlexZ wrote:what's the change?
Interceptors don't draw aggro from the Protoss player.
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On December 20 2020 05:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Interceptors don't draw aggro from the Protoss player.
so they will always attack the capital ship and not the interceptors?
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On December 20 2020 05:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Interceptors don't draw aggro from the Protoss player.
so they made Protoss' AI superior to the AI of the other races?
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On December 20 2020 05:35 Topin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 05:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 20 2020 05:32 AzAlexZ wrote:what's the change? Interceptors don't draw aggro from the Protoss player. so they will always attack the capital ship and not the interceptors?
No. The neuraled unit doesn't draw aggro (and has never done so afaik). It means that the Protoss army will keep on attacking zerg units instead of killing all the interceptors making the carrier useless after neural runs out.
On December 20 2020 05:37 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 05:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 20 2020 05:32 AzAlexZ wrote:what's the change? Interceptors don't draw aggro from the Protoss player. so they made Protoss' AI superior to the AI of the other races?
No the AI's the same for all races--you don't automatically attack your own units that got neuraled--just previously interceptors had been the exception to the rule.
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On December 20 2020 05:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Interceptors don't draw aggro from the Protoss player.
so basically neuralling a carrier just = taking a carrier with 0 interceptors out of the fight?
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apparently zerg doesnt have any game winning moves?
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On December 20 2020 05:40 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
apparently zerg doesnt have any game winning moves?
are we watching the same game?
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On December 20 2020 05:41 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 05:40 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
apparently zerg doesnt have any game winning moves? are we watching the same game?
On December 20 2020 05:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Protoss being way better than Zerg in late game is a design problem, since Zerg is the race with the weakest "kill power". That being said, Serral messed that up pretty bad lol
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Well, the players have now sufficiently aggravated one another with incredibly painful ways to lose...
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On December 20 2020 05:38 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 05:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 20 2020 05:32 AzAlexZ wrote:what's the change? Interceptors don't draw aggro from the Protoss player. so basically neuralling a carrier just = killing a carrier with 0 interceptors?
No? The zerg still controls the carrier and the interceptors still attack the Protoss--it's just that the Protoss player who originally controlled the carrier won't kill all the interceptors (which means they use their DPS against the zerg units and the carrier still has interceptors when neural lapses).
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It's time for a cannon rush
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On December 20 2020 05:38 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 05:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 20 2020 05:32 AzAlexZ wrote:what's the change? Interceptors don't draw aggro from the Protoss player. so basically neuralling a carrier just = taking a carrier with 0 interceptors out of the fight?
No, you still get the carriers to fight with and remove them from your opponent. Basically what used to happen is you could neural around half of the opponent's carriers and every interceptor would die quickly. Even if the infestors were all killed after that, protoss wouldn't really have an army left to fight with.
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zerg timings looking terrible once again
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On December 20 2020 05:51 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
zerg timings looking terrible once again
does zerg need a wristwatch?
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The wall has been broken!
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Helsinki Rickshaw strikes again.
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are Ravagers armored unit?
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Man if only zerg was a viable race :/
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On December 20 2020 05:58 AzAlexZ wrote:
are Ravagers armored unit right?
no just biological
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Can't believe that serral missed that proxy
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So I guess mid game zerg is still pretty good.
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Did harstem prediction win? Anyone counted total time for the series?
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Serral is just the best fucking clutch player.
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Showtime had some good opportunities in the swarm host game and in this last one, but allowed his army to get caught at just the wrong moment and that was that. GGs from both players.
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On December 20 2020 06:00 Weavel wrote:
Can't believe that serral missed that proxy
and still held...
meanwhile, Showtime scouts Serral's all-in as it leaves Serrals base and still loses
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Oh lame, I just realized that before Rogue went out, we had the last four BlizzCon champs alive in the tournament.
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Imo really nice to see that the next three matches are cast from replay. And supposing ByuN was told in advance, he actually gets to have a nights sleep and wake up for the morning game.
Good on the organizers to change the "Koreans don't even care about playing in the middle of the night" approach.
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On December 20 2020 06:08 habeck wrote:
Did harstem prediction win? Anyone counted total time for the series?
Pretty sure Harstem lost 
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Wp to Serral, Showtime achieved too few with that proxy; I hope Die Mauer goes through, he has been doing very well in this tournament.
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Showtime is at a level where I think he could beat Dark, though Dark is probably a poor match stylistically for Showtime because Dark goes for a bunch of weird all ins against protoss even in metas where Zerg late game is dominant.
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WOOOOOO 2 more TSL's announced on stream
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What do i got to search for in the TL store? Can't find anything.
Or was it just to "announce" the tournament?
edit: watched it again, i am stupid.
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That Dario-to-Shopify trade really paying off
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TSL7 + TSL8 announced...
Hype!
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On December 20 2020 06:26 sneakyfox wrote:That Dario-to-Shopify trade really paying off
the old boy's club is a power that should only be used for GOOD 
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27 drones. How does he do it?
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this is worst than DRGs defense
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looks like solar should protoss offrace a bit more :clown:
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I'm having flashbacks to Heart of the Swarm as a zerg with the widowmine kills and I hate it.
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I wonder why Maru didn't do anything like this against Serral?
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Damn, thats a lot of mine drops lol
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This is reminiscent of some of those Maru TvP games from last year where he was just dropping mines constantly and always getting ahead for seemingly no reason
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“Why isnt every terran in the world opening double factory widow mines and start dropping them everywhere” Because you die to roaches Rotti..
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I always get annoyed when a player does something easy and the caster is like "Maru is making it look easy"
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that's Cure's build isn't it? "for the casual eye it looks imbalanced"
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Why isn’t the main stream listed under the Twitch esports section? It hasn’t been listed there any of the days of TSL6.
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On December 20 2020 06:52 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
that's Cure's build isn't it? "for the casual eye it looks imbalanced"
Both Cure and Clem have variations of it that they used to great success.
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On December 20 2020 06:51 JJH777 wrote:
I wonder why Maru didn't do anything like this against Serral?
He did do this against Reynor and it didn't do much (though he didn't control it that well and won the game anyways since Reynor overmade drones).
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On December 20 2020 06:52 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
that's Cure's build isn't it? "for the casual eye it looks imbalanced"
Maru has been doing versions of the never-ending mine drop opener for years, but yeah, I think this specific version was perfected by Cure, at least to my knowledge.
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On December 20 2020 06:54 irvnasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 06:52 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
that's Cure's build isn't it? "for the casual eye it looks imbalanced"
Maru has been doing versions of the never-ending mine drop opener for years, but yeah, I think this specific version was perfected by Cure, at least to my knowledge.
I remember after facing this build from Cure in Battle of Kings both Serral and Reynor said they had no idea what to do against it. I was surprised Cure wasn't very succesful with it after that. Anyway fascinating stuff, let's see how Maru customizes it.
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On December 20 2020 06:57 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 06:54 irvnasty wrote:On December 20 2020 06:52 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
that's Cure's build isn't it? "for the casual eye it looks imbalanced"
Maru has been doing versions of the never-ending mine drop opener for years, but yeah, I think this specific version was perfected by Cure, at least to my knowledge. I remember after facing this build from Cure in Battle of Kings both Serral and Reynor said they had no idea what to do against it. I was surprised Cure wasn't very succesful with it after that. Anyway fascinating stuff, let's see how Maru customizes it.
Years ago, Maru even won a couple games against protoss with the same opening principle, but I believe that was to take advantage of lack of detection when mines didn't decloak.
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I wonder if there's any potential for the same sort of two factory opener but with hellions and blue flame instead of mines and drilling claws to try to catch a zerg making spores and running their drones in a line.
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I love seeing Zergs getting abused by mines haha
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Solar solving the Mine equation
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I guess here comes the 2 rax since mines don't work anymore
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On December 20 2020 07:04 Weavel wrote:
I guess here comes the 2 rax since mines don't work anymore
what about the 40 minute deathaura mech game ?
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lol he just killed his own queen???
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That queen getting fragged was amazing. Her sisters just sitting there "she knows what she did".
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WM a good talent toi have
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Cover your eyes Zerg players. You don't want to watch this.
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Jesus christ maru how are you doing that while injured ?
Did you find the secret stem cell clinic in seoul ?
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Solar's saving grace throughout has been that he has been trading roughly evenly--but it's really hard to get the initiative back after being forced into such a passive position.
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Maru is so good omg. Is he really injured?
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Looking forward to the war of random DT's
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I only wish Maru's recent results were a bit better, so that the hype would be huge and the resulting disappointment even funnier
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We will probably see maru lose now he has to face zest/stats, but that was a good bo5 from him
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On December 20 2020 07:28 ilax30 wrote:
We will probably see maru lose now he has to face zest/stats, but that was a good bo5 from him
I can see Stats being a tough opponent, but against Zest Maru should still be the favourite.
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Korean terrans have been losing to protosses all over the place lately. It will be interesting to see if Maru can overcome whatever it is in the meta that's been tripping them up.
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stats zest g2 this might go to elimination
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Stats completely botched that. He had the game won when his cybernetics core went up so much faster. The follow up cannon rush should have never worked.
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'this game is so stupid, I love it'
-Day9
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On December 20 2020 07:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Stats completely botched that. He had the game won when his cybernetics core went up so much faster. The follow up cannon rush should have never worked.
ye i cant believe zest got up cannons in stats main when the stats was so far ahead.. what a throw but fun to watch
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Cyberpunk 2077 disappointed but this didn't
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These are the PvPs I enjoy. More please.
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Well, that game will be going on the SC2HL youtube channel tomorrow lol
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On December 20 2020 07:53 Andi_Goldberger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 07:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Stats completely botched that. He had the game won when his cybernetics core went up so much faster. The follow up cannon rush should have never worked. ye i cant believe zest got up cannons in stats main when the stats was so far ahead.. what a throw but fun to watch
He also let the third void ray of Zest pop up when he was just on the other side of the stargate.
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I don't care how stupid of a game it is, I love to see a draw in SC2. The only thing better than a draw is a truly down-to-the-wire elimination race or elimination attempt by a player with the much weaker army.
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a high level draw, it had been a long time since the last one I saw. I always enjoy those ^^
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Yikes, Zest. That was winnable.
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Lol Zest what is this defense ahahah
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did Zest held?
edit: well...
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What a brutal Artosis pylon.
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Don't have a lot of confidence with Zest here. He just hasn't looked great in PvP lately.
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That was a pretty good timing to hit for a 30 zealot 15 stalker army.
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I love zealot stalker spam meta, looks so funny to have like 30 zealots just charge in and slice up everything
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Zest is trolling us, those Zealots shouldn't have had Charge.
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Should protoss check adept ID at the door?
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Lmao. What the hell was that.
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PvP always delivers these days
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On December 20 2020 08:29 Xamo wrote:
PvP always delivers these days
Yes, this was a fun series.
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13 minutes in and we are getting lategame ups nice
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nooo stats threw againnn why didnt he go carrier at all?
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Stats only had ~80 workers the entire time. I think if you want to play like this (like Patience basically) you should be at 95 and also expand even more aggressively. But it might still be good enough.
edit: it wasn't good enough.
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when Protoss players don't build high templar anymore because Disruptors are better
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On December 20 2020 08:53 Charoisaur wrote:
when Protoss players don't build high templar anymore because Disruptors are better
Luolis was right
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On December 20 2020 08:53 Charoisaur wrote:
when Protoss players don't build high templar anymore because Disruptors are better
No point, too many ghosts. That said, not a single tempest...
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Patience would have won that.
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Maru is so good but Stats made a huge mistake throwing that army into Liberators. That was a 50 supply swing and gave Maru all the momentum.
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Kinda surprised when Stats decides he doesn't want to be excruciatingly patient
given how long this day of games has been, I'm kinda glad for it tho
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On December 20 2020 08:55 Waxangel wrote:Kinda surprised when Stats decides he doesn't want to be excruciatingly patient given how long this day of games has been, I'm kinda glad for it tho
he wants his sunday breakfast/brunch
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On December 20 2020 08:54 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 08:53 Charoisaur wrote:
when Protoss players don't build high templar anymore because Disruptors are better No point, too many ghosts. That said, not a single tempest...
not saying he should, just think it's sad.
High templar are much more iconic and imo way more fun to watch/play than Disruptors
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On December 20 2020 08:56 Snorkels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2020 08:55 Waxangel wrote:Kinda surprised when Stats decides he doesn't want to be excruciatingly patient given how long this day of games has been, I'm kinda glad for it tho he wants his sunday breakfast/brunch
This is a replay though.
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Disruptors seem to be more reliable than HTs, but I feel that having a couple of Colos would have helped a lot after the shift to range liberators.
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#travelingwithallmybabies :D
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On December 20 2020 08:57 Xamo wrote:
Disruptors seem to be more reliable than HTs, but I feel that having a couple of Colos would have helped a lot after the shift to range liberators.
This entire playstyle is based on holding the center with a small army anchored by disruptors (since disruptors are so good at zoning and preventing a smaller army being dived upon) and using blink dts/zealots to attack the peripheral bases. So colossus or especially high templar aren't as good as they'd be with a different playstyle. That being said a few colossus might have been good too given how much fighting his central army was doing.
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Really surprised to see Stats push in so aggressively immediately after losing most of the interceptors.
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I love how he said "value over time" and maru stims+emps and like 5 tempest instanly die hahah
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I need toss air AoE kill those vikings wowow
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Thanks to all of you guys who wished Stats would make a Tempest.
Now we get to see the 40 minute game
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You really need some ht if you ever want to win a head on engagement against all those vikings. Yeah there's loads of ghosts, but you can zone them with disruptors. With no high templars vikings can fly wherever they want and easily neutralize the tempests and carriers.
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does 3-3-3 carriers do it???
e: 20 marines just came out crap
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If you're going to make Carriers you really need Psionic Storm. I really don't know why Stats keeps ignoring it.
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Seemed like Stats was outplayed positionally and eventually lost his patience. I think he still had some winning chances until that fight in the top middle.
Even if storm is not plan A, having storm to deal with the clustered libs/vikings or against that weak bio once Maru no longer had the gas to keep a high ghost count, would have been good.
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stats playing at 4 am but maru playing at 2 pm?
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its replays apparently which super makes sense for the timezone issue. I was wondering earlier but apparently this week/round isn't live because, you know, 2 am - 7 am tourney for kst
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I'd like to see Stats do something but the collossi wipe sorta did it for hopes
TvZ going to be a good wrap-up to the night
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Congratz Showtime, you're the great Protoss hope.
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Stats seemed to be uncaracteristically impatient, Maru played better. Well done!
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Maru's micro is amazing, his positioning too.
how he manages to be so aware all the time is beside me
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That was an ESL Cup first round sort of game.
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hahahaha nice mind game into win
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Oh shit, I missed game 1, how did Byun win?
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ByuN is playing Elazer like a fiddle.
On December 20 2020 10:01 Husyelt wrote:
Oh shit, I missed game 1, how did Byun win?
He walked across the map with marines earlier than Elazer expected.
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On December 20 2020 10:01 Husyelt wrote:
Oh shit, I missed game 1, how did Byun win?
byun did a weird reactor exp with CC on high ground; Elazer misread as some kind of cheese and got an early spine crawler and lings. That threw him off balance and he lost to a pretty simple marine-medivac follow.
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It looks like Byun accidentally trapped a lot of MM in his main
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On December 20 2020 10:11 Chocolate wrote:
It looks like Byun accidentally trapped a lot of MM in his main
Jaedong'd himself :d
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Elazer looks so thoroughly outclassed. Thinking now, I can remember a lot of great performances he's had against zerg and protoss, but I can't remember a big result recently against terran. Is vT his weakest matchup?
EDIT: He had a 2-1 against Cure in ASUS. Other than that, HeroMarine, uThermal, and Special he's beaten in recent history as slightly lower-tier players, but he's also lost lots of series to those players and similar. Kelazhur seems to be the strongest terran that he consistently defeats.
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On December 20 2020 10:13 irvnasty wrote:
Elazer looks so thoroughly outclassed. Thinking now, I can remember a lot of great performances he's had against zerg and protoss, but I can't remember a big result recently against terran. Is vT his weakest matchup?
Yes, by far I would say.
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Somehow I find myself thinknig back to the GSL RO16 group select when ByuN said he's confident that he's as good as anyone at prepping build orders/strategies. Somehow
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Rotti’s way too tired to keep up with Day9’s philosophical view on things, been a long dayy
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wow ByuN looks like he's definitely top 5 player atm. never thought it would happen ever since 2018.
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Glad to see we're getting a Serral vs ByuN rematch so soon.
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Long day with a lot of fun games. Serral, Dark, Elazer as zergs, ByuN and Maru as terrans, and ShoWTimE as protoss is a solid final 6. All races represented, half KR and half non-KR. No immediate mirror matchups. Should be a great final day.
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wait did Rotti say Waxangel or MaxAngel I was really confused
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On December 20 2020 10:45 AzAlexZ wrote:
wait did Rotti say Waxangel or MaxAngel I was really confused
Wax
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Great day of starcraft. <3 Day9!
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And with the false dawn of ST, Protoss comes crashing back to earth again. What's the odds of Showtime all-killing Dark, Serral, Byun and Maru/Elazer?
Sad zealot aside, epic final day ahead!
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On December 20 2020 10:59 RKC wrote:And with the false dawn of ST, Protoss comes crashing back to earth again. What's the odds of Showtime all-killing Dark, Serral, Byun and Maru/Elazer? Sad zealot aside, epic final day ahead!
ST is always a false dawn for Protoss. Maybe if Trap hadn't been knocked out so early...
The real question is: TvT or ZvZ finals?
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I expect a TvZ finals with either Serral beating down Maru in an extremely disappointing series or Byun coming back from the lower bracket to fight Serral again.
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On December 20 2020 11:30 dysenterymd wrote:
I expect a TvZ finals with either Serral beating down Maru in an extremely disappointing series or Byun coming back from the lower bracket to fight Serral again.
Maru could show up against Serral. His TvZ is all over the place right now. He looked like trash against Solar like 2 weeks ago at ASUS Rog but he beat him easily today.
Though I expect a Dark/Serral finals anyways.
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Day9 is such a force of nature. Even though his predictions mid game are often hilariously wrong, you can see him come back to "starcraft philosophy" in day9 daily mode and it still makes sense after all these years.
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Dark vs Reynor what a series man.
Dark can come back from any situation it seems. Easily the best player playing from behind.
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