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LTCM
174 Posts
On October 05 2020 00:39 Argonauta wrote: wait..... Do you think HeroMarine has a chance vs Zoun or ShowTime? Aligulac gives heromarine equal odds against showtime and a 75% chance against zoun - in a bo5. Not a ton of cross region data for these players so hard to predict, but heromarine certainly isn't an underdog to either | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 05 2020 07:12 LTCM wrote: Aligulac gives heromarine equal odds against showtime and a 75% chance against zoun - in a bo5. Not a ton of cross region data for these players so hard to predict, but heromarine certainly isn't an underdog to either We have to add to that the fact Protoss players aren't having a great time either. So I believe Heromarine has a chance to win a BO5 against both of them. Technically everything can go south with Rogue considering he's the most chaotic player and probably the only pro with 3 WC titles who can play that bad on occassions. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On October 05 2020 07:45 deacon.frost wrote: We have to add to that the fact Protoss players aren't having a great time either. So I believe Heromarine has a chance to win a BO5 against both of them. Technically everything can go south with Rogue considering he's the most chaotic player and probably the only pro with 3 WC titles who can play that bad on occassions. Rogue is that Kind of Player, where both him winning the tournament and getting bopped in the group Stage are absolutly realistic scenarios. | ||
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Vision_
870 Posts
I m pretty sure he has less chance to win KB than DH but he could deserve it. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16008 Posts
On October 05 2020 07:45 deacon.frost wrote: We have to add to that the fact Protoss players aren't having a great time either. So I believe Heromarine has a chance to win a BO5 against both of them. Technically everything can go south with Rogue considering he's the most chaotic player and probably the only pro with 3 WC titles who can play that bad on occassions. Considering the only other player with 3 WC titles is sOs I'm not sure I agree with that statement  | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 05 2020 18:30 Charoisaur wrote: Considering the only other player with 3 WC titles is sOs I'm not sure I agree with that statement But sOs cannot play that good anymore! But yeah, should have been more specific  And now I'm sad because you reminded me how deep has sOs fallen  | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On October 05 2020 18:53 deacon.frost wrote: But sOs cannot play that good anymore! But yeah, should have been more specific And now I'm sad because you reminded me how deep has sOs fallen Yeah, unfortunatly for SOS, you can get rid of the 'occasionally' in your statement :/ He never was my favorite Protoss tbh, but it s still sad to see him playing nowadays, considering how much better he used to be... | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
On October 05 2020 07:45 deacon.frost wrote: We have to add to that the fact Protoss players aren't having a great time either. So I believe Heromarine has a chance to win a BO5 against both of them. Technically everything can go south with Rogue considering he's the most chaotic player and probably the only pro with 3 WC titles who can play that bad on occassions. Well, he‘d have to lose a Bo5 to get kicked out. And eventhough INnoVation kind of destroyed him a few weeks back in a Bo5, I don‘t see that happening in a groupstage. Especially in what I would consider to be the weakest group in this tournament. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6995 Posts
Can't wait until tomorrow | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 05 2020 21:47 Swisslink wrote: Well, he‘d have to lose a Bo5 to get kicked out. And eventhough INnoVation kind of destroyed him a few weeks back in a Bo5, I don‘t see that happening in a groupstage. Especially in what I would consider to be the weakest group in this tournament. It's Rogue we're talking about! He was able to lose in a weak Code S group against builds that he should have known on a map he should have vetoed :D | ||
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
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Zidane
United States1689 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 06 2020 02:51 Zidane wrote: Zoun is probably on the level of top KR pros atm if you watch his games outside of gsl (or very close). Every time I've seen him he's had good moves, but didn't look the most solid. Has anyone seen all the series he played against TIME? I didn't see those, but that's probably the best reference we have to how his PvT is in longer series. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 06 2020 02:51 Zidane wrote: Zoun is probably on the level of top KR pros atm if you watch his games outside of gsl (or very close). Well, considering how dead the Protoss is(overall) there's no big fight. Like he has a bright future if his performance stays on the rising line as it is now. But somehow I cannot trust him enough. Edit> I don't want to say he's bad or shit on him in any way. I just don't know. I've never seen him in a longer series and the map pool isn't exactly the greatest and he's going against a very seasoned players. If he advances, good for him and Protoss, but man, I don't know. Simply doesn't fit with him and advancing in thsi group, sum wrong gut feeling. (maybe it's the dinner, who knows? ) | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6995 Posts
 Rogue 2:0  ShoWTimEZoun 1:2  HeRoMaRinERogue 3:1 HeRoMaRinEZoun 2:3 ShoWTimEShoWTimE 3:1 HeRoMaRinERogue and ShoWTimE advance | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4955 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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irvnasty
United States211 Posts
On October 06 2020 04:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Every time I've seen him he's had good moves, but didn't look the most solid. Has anyone seen all the series he played against TIME? I didn't see those, but that's probably the best reference we have to how his PvT is in longer series. Yes. He and TIME went the distance, and TIME himself has looked excellent recently. I think Zoun is at least on par with Showtime and Heromarine at the moment, but I guess we'll see shortly. | ||
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