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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 18 2020 16:57 GMT
#621
Lets go TIME !!!!
I want that Inno - Time Kaizi team kill
MaxPax
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-18 16:58:41
September 18 2020 16:57 GMT
#622
On September 19 2020 01:53 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2020 01:52 StasisField wrote:
I must be watching a different game than all of you because game 2 really didn't look that close to me? I felt like Serral was winning basically the entire time. He wasn't always ahead by a large margin but I didn't ever feel like Serral had to make plays happen or he would lose in the next minute or 2.


He was definitely starting to fall behind until he did the counterattack with the Mutas- at that point he regained control the rest of the game

It didn't really feel like that to me. He didn't really lose any engagements. At worst they were slightly more cost efficient for Innovation but Serral's higher economy evens that out. Innovation was also doing pretty much zero economic damage with his pushes. Plus, Serral's ling counterattacks kept catching handfuls of Marauders and Thors out which made the Mutas pretty much uncontested aside from the widow mines that Innovation had spread out all over the map and the banelings were getting soaked by less Marauder sponges at the front. The big muta counterattack just made Serral's slight edge jump to a much wider margin in my opinion.

EDIT: Marauder sponges
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-18 16:59:33
September 18 2020 16:59 GMT
#623
On September 19 2020 01:57 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2020 01:53 Pandain wrote:
On September 19 2020 01:52 StasisField wrote:
I must be watching a different game than all of you because game 2 really didn't look that close to me? I felt like Serral was winning basically the entire time. He wasn't always ahead by a large margin but I didn't ever feel like Serral had to make plays happen or he would lose in the next minute or 2.


He was definitely starting to fall behind until he did the counterattack with the Mutas- at that point he regained control the rest of the game

It didn't really feel like that to me. He didn't really lose any engagements. At worst they were slightly more cost efficient for Innovation but Serral's higher economy evens that out. Innovation was also doing pretty much zero economic damage with his pushes. Plus, Serral's ling counterattacks kept catching handfuls of Marauders and Thors out which made the Mutas pretty much uncontested aside from the widow mines that Innovation had spread out all over the map. The big muta counterattack just made Serral's slight edge jump to a much wider margin in my opinion.

Ling counter attacks only started catching marauders and thors when Serral actually got to counter attack with mutas, at least if we watched the same game. Make no mistake, Serral was probably slightly favored in game before that counter attack, but it's the kind of edge he had in first game as well.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2663 Posts
September 18 2020 17:00 GMT
#624
On September 19 2020 01:57 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2020 01:53 Pandain wrote:
On September 19 2020 01:52 StasisField wrote:
I must be watching a different game than all of you because game 2 really didn't look that close to me? I felt like Serral was winning basically the entire time. He wasn't always ahead by a large margin but I didn't ever feel like Serral had to make plays happen or he would lose in the next minute or 2.


He was definitely starting to fall behind until he did the counterattack with the Mutas- at that point he regained control the rest of the game

It didn't really feel like that to me. He didn't really lose any engagements. At worst they were slightly more cost efficient for Innovation but Serral's higher economy evens that out. Innovation was also doing pretty much zero economic damage with his pushes. Plus, Serral's ling counterattacks kept catching handfuls of Marauders and Thors out which made the Mutas pretty much uncontested aside from the widow mines that Innovation had spread out all over the map and the banelings were getting soaked by less Marauder sponges at the front. The big muta counterattack just made Serral's slight edge jump to a much wider margin in my opinion.

EDIT: Marauder sponges


Thats just the tempo nature of the MU, game 1 was basically the same, Inno taking slightly more cost efficient trades until the difference gets big enough, game 2 was very similar but Inno didn't take was too slow and the mutas stopped him dead in his tracks, you can't allow a single slip with a style like that (or in TvZ at all or the 80 drones bury you in units)
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 18 2020 17:03 GMT
#625
So it's series 4 and we're about to pass the time we needed for the entirety of group C?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 18 2020 17:04 GMT
#626
On September 19 2020 02:03 Elentos wrote:
So it's series 4 and we're about to pass the time we needed for the entirety of group C?

Well, group C was brutal after all.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 18 2020 17:04 GMT
#627
On September 19 2020 02:04 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2020 02:03 Elentos wrote:
So it's series 4 and we're about to pass the time we needed for the entirety of group C?

Well, group C was brutal after all.

Brutally underwhelming
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 18 2020 17:05 GMT
#628
On September 19 2020 02:04 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2020 02:04 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 19 2020 02:03 Elentos wrote:
So it's series 4 and we're about to pass the time we needed for the entirety of group C?

Well, group C was brutal after all.

Brutally underwhelming

True, it even denied us the only match-up we could truly enjoy.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 18 2020 17:08 GMT
#629
On September 19 2020 02:05 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2020 02:04 Elentos wrote:
On September 19 2020 02:04 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 19 2020 02:03 Elentos wrote:
So it's series 4 and we're about to pass the time we needed for the entirety of group C?

Well, group C was brutal after all.

Brutally underwhelming

True, it even denied us the only match-up we could truly enjoy.

key word being could. since rogue may well have played the same two games against Clem and destroyed him just like he did Special and we may never know
Faker is the GOAT!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 18 2020 17:08 GMT
#630
On September 19 2020 02:08 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2020 02:05 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 19 2020 02:04 Elentos wrote:
On September 19 2020 02:04 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 19 2020 02:03 Elentos wrote:
So it's series 4 and we're about to pass the time we needed for the entirety of group C?

Well, group C was brutal after all.

Brutally underwhelming

True, it even denied us the only match-up we could truly enjoy.

key word being could. since rogue may well have played the same two games against Clem and destroyed him just like he did Special and we may never know

So let's just pretend we missed the best series of the tournament and be sad.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 18 2020 17:10 GMT
#631
I swear, walling in 3rd on Eternal Empire is the most annoying thing ever.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-18 17:12:09
September 18 2020 17:11 GMT
#632
On September 19 2020 02:08 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2020 02:08 AzAlexZ wrote:
On September 19 2020 02:05 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 19 2020 02:04 Elentos wrote:
On September 19 2020 02:04 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 19 2020 02:03 Elentos wrote:
So it's series 4 and we're about to pass the time we needed for the entirety of group C?

Well, group C was brutal after all.

Brutally underwhelming

True, it even denied us the only match-up we could truly enjoy.

key word being could. since rogue may well have played the same two games against Clem and destroyed him just like he did Special and we may never know

So let's just pretend we missed the best series of the tournament and be sad.

don't think clem vs rogue would have been the best given the stacked round of 8 but whatever, I'm just saying there's a possibility that the match of the day disappoints everyone especially because Rogue is the one playing
Faker is the GOAT!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
September 18 2020 17:13 GMT
#633
TIME the Turret Terran
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 18 2020 17:15 GMT
#634
Don't call it the "Worm from Down Under"
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
September 18 2020 17:17 GMT
#635
On September 19 2020 01:59 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2020 01:57 StasisField wrote:
On September 19 2020 01:53 Pandain wrote:
On September 19 2020 01:52 StasisField wrote:
I must be watching a different game than all of you because game 2 really didn't look that close to me? I felt like Serral was winning basically the entire time. He wasn't always ahead by a large margin but I didn't ever feel like Serral had to make plays happen or he would lose in the next minute or 2.


He was definitely starting to fall behind until he did the counterattack with the Mutas- at that point he regained control the rest of the game

It didn't really feel like that to me. He didn't really lose any engagements. At worst they were slightly more cost efficient for Innovation but Serral's higher economy evens that out. Innovation was also doing pretty much zero economic damage with his pushes. Plus, Serral's ling counterattacks kept catching handfuls of Marauders and Thors out which made the Mutas pretty much uncontested aside from the widow mines that Innovation had spread out all over the map. The big muta counterattack just made Serral's slight edge jump to a much wider margin in my opinion.

Ling counter attacks only started catching marauders and thors when Serral actually got to counter attack with mutas, at least if we watched the same game. Make no mistake, Serral was probably slightly favored in game before that counter attack, but it's the kind of edge he had in first game as well.

Yeah you're right the ling counterattacks came after the muta counterattack. Serral was definitely ahead though. You don't send ~half of your army supply across the map for a counterattack with your opponent at your 4th/5th base unless you're absolutely desperate and trying to force a base trade or if you're ahead enough to feel comfortable with defending a push with half your army somewhere else.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 18 2020 17:20 GMT
#636
TIME killing the widow mine to make sure Scarlett doesn't. Every little win counts.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-18 17:22:19
September 18 2020 17:22 GMT
#637
I actually see why Inno vetoed Eternal Empire now. Way too easy to get into production.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 18 2020 17:23 GMT
#638
On September 19 2020 02:22 lolfail9001 wrote:
I actually see why Inno vetoed Eternal Empire now. Way too easy to get into production.


That's not really a sufficient reason to play the three worst TvZ maps in the pool in a bo3 though.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 18 2020 17:24 GMT
#639
On September 19 2020 02:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2020 02:22 lolfail9001 wrote:
I actually see why Inno vetoed Eternal Empire now. Way too easy to get into production.


That's not really a sufficient reason to play the three worst TvZ maps in the pool in a bo3 though.

I mean, watching this game Eternal Empire definitely is worse than Ice and Chrome for what Inno was doing in particular.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2020 17:27 GMT
#640
To be honest its pretty impressive that Time stayed in for so long when he was so behind. If he can get into the mid game even, I think he can bring it back!
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