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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 13 2020 19:36 GMT
#901
On September 14 2020 04:26 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 04:25 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:23 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:20 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:19 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:18 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:18 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:14 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
[quote]
Should be nothing outside of the fact that series score would be 3-3 without WB advantage.

I'd argue that there should be more controversy if there was no WB advantage.

Playing only 1 match is considered advantage about anywhere.

Comparing that to the advantage of being able to lose an entire series in the rest of the tournament is laughable.

Losing an entire series is often a question of losing 1 game, cough Reynor, cough Serral.

Either you severely misunderstand how double elimination works or you just dont care.

Oh, i perfectly understand. I am just stating facts, both Reynor and Serral are in lower bracket over losing a single game in a series.

Yep, but they're not out of the tournament even though they lost one series. It would be unfair for Clem in the finals to not have atleast a one map advantage after making it to the finals from upper bracket.


As i said, elsewhere not having to play 2 matches in a day is considered an advantage of it's own.

I believe that anyone who thinks that is advantage enough is an idiot.


That very much depends on the tournament schedule. In this tourmanent, yes you can argue that. But in a densely packed schedule like HSC it means a lot to have a few hours off while your opponent has to grind it out in a series.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-13 19:40:39
September 13 2020 19:38 GMT
#902
On September 14 2020 04:36 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 04:26 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:25 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:23 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:20 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:19 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:18 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:18 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:14 Luolis wrote:
[quote]
I'd argue that there should be more controversy if there was no WB advantage.

Playing only 1 match is considered advantage about anywhere.

Comparing that to the advantage of being able to lose an entire series in the rest of the tournament is laughable.

Losing an entire series is often a question of losing 1 game, cough Reynor, cough Serral.

Either you severely misunderstand how double elimination works or you just dont care.

Oh, i perfectly understand. I am just stating facts, both Reynor and Serral are in lower bracket over losing a single game in a series.

Yep, but they're not out of the tournament even though they lost one series. It would be unfair for Clem in the finals to not have atleast a one map advantage after making it to the finals from upper bracket.


As i said, elsewhere not having to play 2 matches in a day is considered an advantage of it's own.

I believe that anyone who thinks that is advantage enough is an idiot.


That very much depends on the tournament schedule. In this tourmanent, yes you can argue that. But in a densely packed schedule like HSC it means a lot to have a few hours off while your opponent has to grind it out in a series.


That's inconsistent though. Throughout the entire tournament players in the lower bracket have to deal with the selfsame minor disadvantage when facing people dropping from the winner's bracket who played fewer games. But now suddenly for the finals that small disadvantage is 'enough' leaving the person in the winner's bracket as the only person who doesn't get two opportunities.

edit: I'm amazed that this is still going on with how badly Serral lost the build order matchup ending up down ten workers with basically the same comps. The late third snipe was really really big.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-13 19:43:14
September 13 2020 19:42 GMT
#903
Yet another game where Serral attempts a hydra all-in and dies on lack of hydra speed. It's kinda funny but at least it's not game 5. Anyhow, i am fairly confident Reynor should take game 5 as well, but with my jinx abilities you never know.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
t5Fab
Profile Joined July 2018
183 Posts
September 13 2020 19:42 GMT
#904
jeez, these guys are so damn good you can't call the games as you would with normal ZvZ situations
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
September 13 2020 19:42 GMT
#905
Would be great if we actually used Gameheart to have different skins for improved visibility. That one ravager/ling vs roach fight on Serral's side of the map was awful to watch.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 13 2020 19:43 GMT
#906
On September 14 2020 04:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 04:36 sneakyfox wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:26 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:25 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:23 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:20 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:19 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:18 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:18 lolfail9001 wrote:
[quote]
Playing only 1 match is considered advantage about anywhere.

Comparing that to the advantage of being able to lose an entire series in the rest of the tournament is laughable.

Losing an entire series is often a question of losing 1 game, cough Reynor, cough Serral.

Either you severely misunderstand how double elimination works or you just dont care.

Oh, i perfectly understand. I am just stating facts, both Reynor and Serral are in lower bracket over losing a single game in a series.

Yep, but they're not out of the tournament even though they lost one series. It would be unfair for Clem in the finals to not have atleast a one map advantage after making it to the finals from upper bracket.


As i said, elsewhere not having to play 2 matches in a day is considered an advantage of it's own.

I believe that anyone who thinks that is advantage enough is an idiot.


That very much depends on the tournament schedule. In this tourmanent, yes you can argue that. But in a densely packed schedule like HSC it means a lot to have a few hours off while your opponent has to grind it out in a series.


That's inconsistent though. Throughout the entire tournament players in the lower bracket have to deal with the selfsame minor disadvantage when facing people dropping from the winner's bracket who played fewer games. But now suddenly for the finals that small disadvantage is 'enough' leaving the person in the winner's bracket as the only person who doesn't get two opportunities.


The inconsistency lies in the scheduling. If every match (regardless of LB or UB) has plenty of downtime before it to prepare and recover, then yes.

But if they play a tight schedule where players a playing almost non-stop and there is virtually no downtime between series at the end of the bracket, then it can be a big advantage to have a couple of hours off to relax and prepare for the finals.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 13 2020 19:44 GMT
#907
On September 14 2020 04:42 Elentos wrote:
Would be great if we actually used Gameheart to have different skins for improved visibility. That one ravager/ling vs roach fight on Serral's side of the map was awful to watch.


Preach brother!
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 13 2020 19:47 GMT
#908
Game 5, Submarine, deja vu?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
September 13 2020 19:48 GMT
#909
Or we just pretend that "classic" is a different set of skins from the normal ones even though it results in almost every unit still looking the same.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-13 19:50:30
September 13 2020 19:49 GMT
#910
On September 14 2020 04:48 Elentos wrote:
Or we just pretend that "classic" is a different set of skins from the normal ones even though it results in almost every unit still looking the same.

Wait there, i definitely never confuse classic hydras and ultras from normal ones, what do you mean.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
September 13 2020 19:50 GMT
#911
On September 14 2020 04:49 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 04:48 Elentos wrote:
Or we just pretend that "classic" is a different set of skins from the normal ones even though it results in almost every unit still looking the same.

Wait there, i definitely never confuse classic hydras and ultras from normal ones.

Well yeah but the classic "set" changes like 3 units so if it's none of those that are fighting you didn't change anything.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-13 19:52:32
September 13 2020 19:51 GMT
#912
On September 14 2020 04:50 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 04:49 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:48 Elentos wrote:
Or we just pretend that "classic" is a different set of skins from the normal ones even though it results in almost every unit still looking the same.

Wait there, i definitely never confuse classic hydras and ultras from normal ones.

Well yeah but the classic "set" changes like 3 units so if it's none of those that are fighting you didn't change anything.

True, we need classic mutas and classic lings... except they are identical between 2 games anyways.

EDIT: Yup, deja vu.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 13 2020 19:57 GMT
#913
Serral vs Reynor always has such a great breadth of compositions.
t5Fab
Profile Joined July 2018
183 Posts
September 13 2020 19:58 GMT
#914
california hands gg
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 13 2020 19:58 GMT
#915
Man, Reynor lives in Serral's head, holy crap it was a hell of out-positioning.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
September 13 2020 19:58 GMT
#916
NOOOO. GG to Reynor though
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
September 13 2020 19:58 GMT
#917
ggs. Reynor simply has Serral's number atm.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 13 2020 19:58 GMT
#918
Wow

A EU grand finals without Serral. First time since 2017.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
September 13 2020 19:58 GMT
#919
Reynor owns serral now apparently.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
ShAd_1337
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany1042 Posts
September 13 2020 19:58 GMT
#920
Serral is Malding haahahahaa
I like Dark
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