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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:01 mierin wrote: It's more like Reynor>Serral>Top Players>Reynor Yes. Korean Starcraft does not exist. And Katowice 2020 never happened. Also Blizzcon 2019 never happened. And Katowice 2019. And Katowice 2018. etc | ||
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Elentos
55568 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:02 TentativePanda wrote: Yeah, for example I would expect Serral to have a higher chance of beating Clem than Reynor does Depends on how the Zergs show up, last season Clem almost beat Serral and then got destroyed by Reynor. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:06 Luolis wrote: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/ESL_Pro_Tour/2020/21/Masters/Summer Yes, let's use high-ping online tournaments as the measurement for who's best. | ||
Waxangel
United States33581 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:08 sneakyfox wrote: Yes. Korean Starcraft does not exist. And Katowice 2020 never happened. Also Blizzcon 2019 never happened. And Katowice 2019. And Katowice 2018. etc I mean in a bubble, who would you expect to win vs. top Koreans? I'm betting the farm on Serral. I wasn't trying to create a Korean vs. foreigner debate, just saying it's not as simple as Reynor > Serral. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:09 sneakyfox wrote: Yes, let's use high-ping online tournaments as the measurement for who's best. Yes, let's use a very specific mirror match-up as general statement of who's the best player of their race. We all know Rogue inherited $o$ spirit anyway, so he wins, but sure, let's have fun. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7162 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:09 sneakyfox wrote: Yes, let's use high-ping online tournaments as the measurement for who's best. When you don't have other statistics, how are you supposed to do measurement  | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:10 mierin wrote: I mean in a bubble, who would you expect to win vs. top Koreans? I'm betting the farm on Serral. I wasn't trying to create a Korean vs. foreigner debate, just saying it's not as simple as Reynor > Serral. Yeah I'm betting the farm on the Koreans, because betting on a bunch of top players is better than better on a single top player. That should be painfully obvious. Other than that, I agree that it's not as simple as Reynor > Serral. | ||
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Penev
28524 Posts
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kottbullar
Australia490 Posts
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Elentos
55568 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:12 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah I'm betting the farm on the Koreans, because betting on a bunch of top players is better than better on a single top player. That should be painfully obvious. Other than that, I agree that it's not as simple as Reynor > Serral. You do you! Reynor/Serral have at least an even chance versus any top Korean you could name in any tournament. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:08 sneakyfox wrote: Yes. Korean Starcraft does not exist. And Katowice 2020 never happened. Also Blizzcon 2019 never happened. And Katowice 2019. And Katowice 2018. etc Serral's Blizzcon 2018 win has given him so much mileage, everyone still talks as if its relevant when we have 3 more world champions. At the end of the day its the only big tournament he hans't choked at. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:11 Luolis wrote: When you don't have other statistics, how are you supposed to do measurement I guess we can't do them at all  In particular when the last top online tournament showed something very different. And fuck you corona, gives us back our premier online Starcraft! | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:13 kottbullar wrote: I would like to see Clem flip the switch and go turtle mechs every game this time. Wishful thinking. Yeah, 6 40 minute long turtle mech games is what we need for this final. Too bad it's not late HotS turtle mech or it could actually come to fruition. | ||
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Zzzapper
1797 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:14 mierin wrote: You do you! Reynor/Serral have at least an even chance versus any top Korean you could name in any tournament. That doesn't sound wrong in my ears but they still have to do it. Reynor failed completely at IEM Katowice. And top players tend to have these flukes every once in a while. Conversely, players who are sort-of-elite but maybe not all the time sometimes still have great results, like Zest taking out Serral at Katowice. My point is: let's judge players on their results, not on how we think of their potential. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:14 Morbidius wrote: Serral's Blizzcon 2018 win has given him so much mileage, everyone still talks as if its relevant when we have 3 more world champions. At the end of the day its the only big tournament he hans't choked at. LOL | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:14 Elentos wrote: So did Clem get to pick which map he has the def win on? Based on the fact that it's Deathaura it looks like both players just pick maps, and whichever is left over is treated as the default win. | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On September 14 2020 05:06 Luolis wrote: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/ESL_Pro_Tour/2020/21/Masters/Summer A unique loss to Trap while he beats Maru ? That's disappointing. Doyou cup and the warchest teamleague definetely invalidates this silly reasonning. Reynor is doing as well as Serral lately. | ||
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