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Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
July 01 2020 18:46 GMT
#141
On July 02 2020 03:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2020 03:43 phodacbiet wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:25 Acrofales wrote:
On July 02 2020 02:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Baneling drops are such a killjoy. I wonder if Blizzard ever considered increasing baneling cargo size to 3.

As opposed to adepts? Or widow mines?

All races have ways to kill large numbers of workers fast. Banelings are no better or worse than other races' methods.


Banelings are more instantaneous and involve less micro.


Dropping adepts/widow mines/banelings is all just d + click on the wp/medivac/overlord.


Remind me the last time an adept drop cleared the mineral line in half a second.


A drop won't, but a big shade during an adept push will kill an entire mineral line if it lands before you pull workers.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 01 2020 18:49 GMT
#142
On July 02 2020 03:46 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2020 03:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:43 phodacbiet wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:25 Acrofales wrote:
On July 02 2020 02:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Baneling drops are such a killjoy. I wonder if Blizzard ever considered increasing baneling cargo size to 3.

As opposed to adepts? Or widow mines?

All races have ways to kill large numbers of workers fast. Banelings are no better or worse than other races' methods.


Banelings are more instantaneous and involve less micro.


Dropping adepts/widow mines/banelings is all just d + click on the wp/medivac/overlord.


Remind me the last time an adept drop cleared the mineral line in half a second.


A drop won't, but a big shade during an adept push will kill an entire mineral line if it lands before you pull workers.


And is both a much more significant commitment, and much easier seen coming than a +2 baneling drop.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
July 01 2020 18:57 GMT
#143
On July 02 2020 03:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2020 03:46 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:43 phodacbiet wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:25 Acrofales wrote:
On July 02 2020 02:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Baneling drops are such a killjoy. I wonder if Blizzard ever considered increasing baneling cargo size to 3.

As opposed to adepts? Or widow mines?

All races have ways to kill large numbers of workers fast. Banelings are no better or worse than other races' methods.


Banelings are more instantaneous and involve less micro.


Dropping adepts/widow mines/banelings is all just d + click on the wp/medivac/overlord.


Remind me the last time an adept drop cleared the mineral line in half a second.


A drop won't, but a big shade during an adept push will kill an entire mineral line if it lands before you pull workers.


And is both a much more significant commitment, and much easier seen coming than a +2 baneling drop.


It's also a threat much earlier in the game.

The point is, banelings are hardly the only instant erasers of mineral lines. How are they more of a killjoy than any of the other mechanics that do this? Mines are still definitely worse, given they arrive sooner and the medivac can fly straight over multiple pieces of static D / defending AA units and still get a ton of kills.

kmh
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland351 Posts
July 01 2020 18:57 GMT
#144
Serral is just making it look too easy.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 01 2020 18:58 GMT
#145
On July 02 2020 03:57 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2020 03:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:46 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:43 phodacbiet wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:25 Acrofales wrote:
On July 02 2020 02:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Baneling drops are such a killjoy. I wonder if Blizzard ever considered increasing baneling cargo size to 3.

As opposed to adepts? Or widow mines?

All races have ways to kill large numbers of workers fast. Banelings are no better or worse than other races' methods.


Banelings are more instantaneous and involve less micro.


Dropping adepts/widow mines/banelings is all just d + click on the wp/medivac/overlord.


Remind me the last time an adept drop cleared the mineral line in half a second.


A drop won't, but a big shade during an adept push will kill an entire mineral line if it lands before you pull workers.


And is both a much more significant commitment, and much easier seen coming than a +2 baneling drop.


It's also a threat much earlier in the game.

The point is, banelings are hardly the only instant erasers of mineral lines. How are they more of a killjoy than any of the other mechanics that do this? Mines are still definitely worse, given they arrive sooner and the medivac can fly straight over multiple pieces of static D / defending AA units and still get a ton of kills.



Fair enough. Of course nerfing mine drops would probably make PvT balance worse whereas nerfing baneling drops can only help PvZ balance.
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-01 19:07:06
July 01 2020 19:06 GMT
#146
On July 02 2020 03:57 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2020 03:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:46 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:43 phodacbiet wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 02 2020 03:25 Acrofales wrote:
On July 02 2020 02:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Baneling drops are such a killjoy. I wonder if Blizzard ever considered increasing baneling cargo size to 3.

As opposed to adepts? Or widow mines?

All races have ways to kill large numbers of workers fast. Banelings are no better or worse than other races' methods.


Banelings are more instantaneous and involve less micro.


Dropping adepts/widow mines/banelings is all just d + click on the wp/medivac/overlord.


Remind me the last time an adept drop cleared the mineral line in half a second.


A drop won't, but a big shade during an adept push will kill an entire mineral line if it lands before you pull workers.


And is both a much more significant commitment, and much easier seen coming than a +2 baneling drop.


It's also a threat much earlier in the game.

The point is, banelings are hardly the only instant erasers of mineral lines. How are they more of a killjoy than any of the other mechanics that do this? Mines are still definitely worse, given they arrive sooner and the medivac can fly straight over multiple pieces of static D / defending AA units and still get a ton of kills.



Are mines worse? They take some time to burrow, they are expected and more important most terrans dont use them after 4-6 minute mark while with bane drops they could come any time. More importantly you can queue multiple bane drops in different mineral lines without really having too look. Thats not the same with widow mines. Hell even Serral admitted they are busted, but what can ya do
Lucasmus
Profile Joined September 2015
35 Posts
July 01 2020 19:33 GMT
#147
Against terran you always expect drops so mines are less surprising.

Maybe zerg would still be fine if banelings could not be loaded into dropperlords, because of their volatility lorewise.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7006 Posts
July 02 2020 07:59 GMT
#148
I think this Serral guy is pretty good
Hope we get at least a bit of hype going when he plays Lambo tomorrow

Group A is going as planned
Group B I expected Harstem to be way better. Like 1-4: Gabe, Thermy, Harstem, Drogo in this order
Group C Top 3 as expected, 4th is open for grabs
Group D ehh Elazer? My predictions were Reynor, Elazer, Mana, Vanya in this order
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
July 02 2020 11:02 GMT
#149
On July 02 2020 16:59 Harris1st wrote:
I think this Serral guy is pretty good
Hope we get at least a bit of hype going when he plays Lambo tomorrow

Group A is going as planned
Group B I expected Harstem to be way better. Like 1-4: Gabe, Thermy, Harstem, Drogo in this order
Group C Top 3 as expected, 4th is open for grabs
Group D ehh Elazer? My predictions were Reynor, Elazer, Mana, Vanya in this order


Absolutly agree with that
In Group C Denver is doing better than I thought, but that s pretty much only down to the Showtime - Denver match.
MaxPax
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24237 Posts
July 02 2020 14:32 GMT
#150
(don't know if it's the right place to post but I have to mention it)
Silky - Firefly g1 is hilarious !!!!!! Highly recommended ^^
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
July 02 2020 14:35 GMT
#151
On July 02 2020 23:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:
(don't know if it's the right place to post but I have to mention it)
Silky - Firefly g1 is hilarious !!!!!! Highly recommended ^^

It's the most Chinese macro game of all time
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18143 Posts
July 02 2020 14:35 GMT
#152
On July 02 2020 23:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:
(don't know if it's the right place to post but I have to mention it)
Silky - Firefly g1 is hilarious !!!!!! Highly recommended ^^

It is, and doesn't make ANY SENSE. Hilarious.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24237 Posts
July 02 2020 14:36 GMT
#153
I'm literally rolling on the floor laughing. That game was pure gold.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18143 Posts
July 02 2020 14:41 GMT
#154
The cast is a bit awkward tho. Maynarde basically hogging the microphone and Zeph not getting much opportunity to co-cast. First I've heard of her, but it'd be nice if Maynarde gave her some space.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24237 Posts
July 02 2020 14:47 GMT
#155
the winrate of ling floods has to be insane. I never see that strategy lose.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
July 02 2020 14:51 GMT
#156
On July 02 2020 23:41 Acrofales wrote:
The cast is a bit awkward tho. Maynarde basically hogging the microphone and Zeph not getting much opportunity to co-cast. First I've heard of her, but it'd be nice if Maynarde gave her some space.

They've been casting ANZ events together for many years, I think this is just how things work out the best between them.

I'm underwhelmed by Firefly's performance in this tournament so far. He's put on some way better performances in various other events to the point where I'd have called him the #2 Chinese player without question but this ain't it.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24237 Posts
July 02 2020 14:52 GMT
#157
On July 02 2020 23:51 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2020 23:41 Acrofales wrote:
The cast is a bit awkward tho. Maynarde basically hogging the microphone and Zeph not getting much opportunity to co-cast. First I've heard of her, but it'd be nice if Maynarde gave her some space.

I'm underwhelmed by Firefly's performance in this tournament so far. He's put on some way better performances in various other events to the point where I'd have called him the #2 Chinese player without question but this ain't it.

Same. I'm quite puzzled by this too.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-02 14:56:23
July 02 2020 14:54 GMT
#158
On July 02 2020 23:41 Acrofales wrote:
The cast is a bit awkward tho. Maynarde basically hogging the microphone and Zeph not getting much opportunity to co-cast. First I've heard of her, but it'd be nice if Maynarde gave her some space.


Maynarde and Zeph actually started as a casting archon, I think they won some amateur casting competition back in the day
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24237 Posts
July 02 2020 14:56 GMT
#159
well, deserved from Silky even if he messed up hilariously that g1. Just not the best version of Firefly in that competition.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24237 Posts
July 02 2020 15:40 GMT
#160
surprisingly good straight TvP from MLord, who historically abhors the mu
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