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Surprised Serral is already out. Would love to have seen Maru in this tournament. I feel Innovation will win it all, he's in God mode now.
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Sad that the hype is kinda low. So many games, but so few pages (even less than GSL RO8 LR with only 2 games per day). Also, this is being streamed at a NA/EU-friendly time zone. And the Korean-foreigner storylines. Do the pros not treat this tourney seriously? So what tier is this tourney - similar to HSC?
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On May 25 2020 12:44 RKC wrote:
Sad that the hype is kinda low. So many games, but so few pages (even less than GSL RO8 LR with only 2 games per day). Also, this is being streamed at a NA/EU-friendly time zone. And the Korean-foreigner storylines. Do the pros not treat this tourney seriously? So what tier is this tourney - similar to HSC?
This is a premier tournament, a very important one as not only the prize point pool is 30k but also a lot of EPT points up for grabs. The viewership has been great with 15k+ just on the main stream while last week we had 1000+ comments just for the matches on saturday. (https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/559843-tsl5-loser-bracket-round-1)
But not every day can be spectacular, and yesterday that was just the case. It can happen
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Didn't watch games but that comeback by Reynor was awesome! Kid is trying to take the throne. Gogo Reynor vs. Elazer finals!
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I don't get why Serral is playing proactively instead of reactively - has the meta moved to only favour the aggressive player?
What happened to scout and counter w/e the opponent is doing?
As a fanboy it what super frustrating to watch.
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On May 25 2020 19:22 Lazzarus wrote:
I don't get why Serral is playing proactively instead of reactively - has the meta moved to only favour the aggressive player?
What happened to scout and counter w/e the opponent is doing?
As a fanboy it what super frustrating to watch.
He said he "didnt want to play like a simp" and try another playstyle. Early days to say it doesnt work but early signs are not great for sure.
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On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance.
I don't even...
Serral made some mistakes and lost. Happens
+ Show Spoiler +was thinking of reporting this post but someone else was faster anyway
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On May 25 2020 10:39 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 09:41 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else? Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here. I knew that Serral irremediably shattered your dreams of eternal korean domination over Sc2 and that you'll never recover from that... in Sc2.
I mean, Scarlett, Rogue and Serral won global events that year, Reynor reached finals and so did Dark. You may not like it but Zerg is the very best race in premier tournaments since half 2017. And overall it's the race with the greatest diversity of premier champions on LoTV.
Serral is still a very good player though, and what he accomplished is really impressive.
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On May 25 2020 09:41 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else? Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind, since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here.
I can grasp what is happening here. What's happening here is that you're conflating correlation with causation. Serral lost a tournament after a patch, therefore he lost *because* of the patch. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy:
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On May 25 2020 22:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 09:41 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else? Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind, since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here. I can grasp what is happening here. What's happening here is that you're conflating correlation with causation. Serral lost a tournament after a patch, therefore he lost *because* of the patch. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy: + Show Spoiler +
The patch isn t even live yet guys 
Reynor has his own explanation on why Serral loses more often right now:
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On May 25 2020 23:11 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 22:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 09:41 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else? Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind, since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here. I can grasp what is happening here. What's happening here is that you're conflating correlation with causation. Serral lost a tournament after a patch, therefore he lost *because* of the patch. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy: + Show Spoiler + The patch isn t even live yet guys
Well, I was assuming that Morbidius was referring to the last patch, obviously. It wouldn't make sense to blame tournament results on a future patch.
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On May 25 2020 23:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 23:11 dbRic1203 wrote:On May 25 2020 22:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 09:41 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else? Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind, since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here. I can grasp what is happening here. What's happening here is that you're conflating correlation with causation. Serral lost a tournament after a patch, therefore he lost *because* of the patch. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy: + Show Spoiler + The patch isn t even live yet guys Well, I was assuming that Morbidius was referring to the last patch, obviously. It wouldn't make sense to blame tournament results on a future patch.
It sounded like you were assuming the patch allready went live..
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If it wasn't for serral getting knocked out we wouldn't get 10 pages on this thread. Wp reynor
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On May 25 2020 23:25 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 23:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 23:11 dbRic1203 wrote:On May 25 2020 22:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 09:41 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else? Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind, since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here. I can grasp what is happening here. What's happening here is that you're conflating correlation with causation. Serral lost a tournament after a patch, therefore he lost *because* of the patch. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy: + Show Spoiler + The patch isn t even live yet guys Well, I was assuming that Morbidius was referring to the last patch, obviously. It wouldn't make sense to blame tournament results on a future patch. It sounded like you were assuming the patch allready went live..
Edit: When someone asserts that a patch has affected a player, I think it's reasonable to assume that the patch they're referring to is one that has already affected the game, as opposed to a future patch that has not yet gone live. Maybe it's unreasonable to assume such a thing; I don't know for sure. If you think Morbidius is referring to a future patch, then I think it would make more sense for you to ask him which patch he's referring to.
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When are next games? I can't seem to find more info. The weekend again?
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On May 26 2020 00:34 SC-Shield wrote:
When are next games? I can't seem to find more info. The weekend again?
Yeah continues Saturday/Sunday.
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Is it harder to ask the LR or just go to liquipedia ? 
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On May 25 2020 12:44 RKC wrote:
Sad that the hype is kinda low. So many games, but so few pages (even less than GSL RO8 LR with only 2 games per day). Also, this is being streamed at a NA/EU-friendly time zone. And the Korean-foreigner storylines. Do the pros not treat this tourney seriously? So what tier is this tourney - similar to HSC?
Online tournaments that are cross server will always have a different feel. Some pros have been vocal on the preparation or lack of for this tournament.
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Man, did Serral steal Morbidius's girlfriend or something? I get being vindictive and poisonous online is all the rage in 2020, but damn--he takes the cake!
Great tourney so far, bit surprised at how well Elazer fared against Hero, but seems to be playing really well atm.
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My feeling is that Serral is outthinking himself. Basically, he's trying to meta the meta. Not sure if that's the correct way, especially in ZvZ. Throwing in some aggressive builds is important, but I really didn't understand his long term goal in game 5 vs. Reynor. His mid game was very strong, he almost broke Reynor twice, but then he was basically forced to play that shitty composition vs. lurkers. Even the snipe on the lurker den didn't really help in the long term. Reynor defended insanely well, though, most lesser zerg players simply die to what Serral was doing.
But who am I to judge, I'm over 2k MMR below Serral. Maybe he's actively trying to evolve his playstyle. This leads to some losses, naturally. Other players also are improving. The god mode form from 2018 was cool while it lasted.
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