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An absolute bop to start the day off always bodes well. Also didn't watch any of yesterday but was day9 only doing the one day?
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On May 24 2020 21:19 atrox_ wrote:
An absolute bop to start the day off always bodes well. Also didn't watch any of yesterday but was day9 only doing the one day?
He'll probably be back for something, he said "i'll be back" at the end of day 2, but we don't know for what!
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is there a way for me to find these guys accounts on the NA server? so i can check out the build order tab
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In other news, roach ravager still trash vs bio.
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in more recent news, roach ravager beats special
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special with the 'bg' yikes
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It was quite poor from soO.
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Canada8989 Posts
Good to know soO still suck vs mech
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F2 for 3 hellions -> lose a base, F2 for 3 BC -> lose the game.
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GG Special we 1-1 now. Got lucky not losing some BC's early on. So clutch at some points.
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I see Special has also mastered TY's secret art of starting the armory too late.
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Special looked terrible that match
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Throw, throw, stomp, stomp. Perfect 3-1 :|
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Let's not take any more time, let's take a break.
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If special had just walked across the map with his army he would have won. You can't let 7 mutas bully you back home especially when you have turrets up. SoO would have had to bring mutas home for defense anyway
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It was weird, super weird, especially considering the strenght of 3 bases play on golden wall.
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I'm expecting this to be a clown fiesta worthy of the music.
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On May 24 2020 22:47 stilt wrote:
It was weird, super weird, especially considering the strenght of 3 bases play on golden wall.
It half looked like an experiment honestly. Him bringing the SCVs and all. That build works on other maps, I wonder if he's ever done it on Golden Wall before.
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The dream scenario for Inno vs Cure is every game being a proxy cheesefest because they're "hiding builds" for GSL and then in GSL every game is a proxy cheesefest.
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On May 24 2020 22:52 Elentos wrote:
The dream scenario for Inno vs Cure is every game being a proxy cheesefest because they're "hiding builds" for GSL and then in GSL every game is a proxy cheesefest.
This isn't a dream scenario, it's inevitable reality
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How did soO look? I missed all the games
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Just realised Obsidian is in the map pool. Have there been any games on it yet?
Actually according to liquipedia.net there was one TvT on Purity & Industry - so which one IS in the map pool, or did it change?
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Unless it's changed for this week it's Purity. I figure whoever made the OPs for TSL just copied the GSL map pool.
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Canada8989 Posts
On May 24 2020 23:03 starkiller123 wrote:
How did soO look? I missed all the games
Not particularly good, but soO never really does, it's part of his superpower
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How did no one notice yet that Cure - Inno and Gabe -Elazer are swapped?
Put those pesky Code S players, where they belong, in the Loseres Breaket
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Cure's Marines had taken a few stims too many, they all vanished instantly when Innovation sieged his tanks  .
Not that it changed the game's results.
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I'm pretty sure Cure in Proleague was rather the opposite of a TvT sniper
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how were the the past games between inno and cure?
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On May 24 2020 23:46 Topin wrote:
how were the the past games between inno and cure?
The first 2 games were pretty one-sided with one player getting an early advantage and just never giving it away, 3rd game was scrappy.
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On May 24 2020 23:48 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2020 23:46 Topin wrote:
how were the the past games between inno and cure? The first 2 games were pretty one-sided with one player getting an early advantage and just never giving it away, 3rd game was scrappy.
And the 4th game?
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Zest channeling HongUn here.
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that game made no sense haha
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Cmon DRG 
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Since when do badly damaged hatcheries burn instead of just bleeding?
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On May 25 2020 00:33 Sent. wrote:
Since when do badly damaged hatcheries burn instead of just bleeding?
It s a skin for buildings introduced about 1 year ago I belive
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Germany339 Posts
check out the updated stream templates on liquipedia, displaying nice statistics for the current match and the bracket right below the stream:  Special:Stream/twitch/Team Liquid
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Germany339 Posts
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Those 4 storms killed like 40banelings omfg
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unlucky a move from drg : (
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On May 25 2020 00:47 hjpalpha wrote:check out the updated stream templates on liquipedia, displaying nice statistics for the current match and the bracket right below the stream: Special:Stream/twitch/Team Liquid
It's really nice, thank you.
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On May 25 2020 00:47 hjpalpha wrote:check out the updated stream templates on liquipedia, displaying nice statistics for the current match and the bracket right below the stream: Special:Stream/twitch/Team Liquid
Sick!
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United States33422 Posts
On May 25 2020 00:47 hjpalpha wrote:check out the updated stream templates on liquipedia, displaying nice statistics for the current match and the bracket right below the stream: Special:Stream/twitch/Team Liquid
cool stuff :O
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On May 25 2020 00:47 hjpalpha wrote:check out the updated stream templates on liquipedia, displaying nice statistics for the current match and the bracket right below the stream: Special:Stream/twitch/Team Liquid
Very cool. Excellent work!
e: what do the percentages next to the maps mean?
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On May 25 2020 00:47 hjpalpha wrote:check out the updated stream templates on liquipedia, displaying nice statistics for the current match and the bracket right below the stream: Special:Stream/twitch/Team Liquid
This is so cool! Kudos!
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lol those ghosts move-commanded through the toss army
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That second game was a very nice TvP.
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They weren't different control groups. That wasn't a flank, they just walked into the Terran.
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Leaving Disruptors alone against stimmed bio seems unlikely to pay off.
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Holding the Nexus against this was pretty impressive!
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Looks like Ty didn't expect the second Disruptor
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Shouldn't he add some ghosts ?
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I don't see games reach this stage often. Wouldn't Tempests be good?
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Very cool lategame TvP, I like it
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I don't think Carriers can kill that many BC's, which isn't a problem I've had while watching a game before.
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Yamato on Archon seems not very useful
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It does seem like ty is starving to death atm
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ha, ty has no orbitals, so that one dt could kill everything
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That was a great game, and this series is surprisingly turning out to be the best of the day so far.
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TY made it oddly close after that bad start. Maybe there's something to his mech-obsession on EE 
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Beautiful play by ShowTime.
I loved the 'snipe orbitals and clean up with DT's at the end to 100% guarantee he could not lose his final army. ShowTime throw-proofing himself well and just crushing the end-game.
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This looks like a WoL all-in.
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Damn all those units of Showtime derpin around really cost him greatly.
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All things said and done this was an impressive series from Showtime even if he can't recover from this.
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I didn't know Vikings can 2 shot Probes, another harass tool for Terran.
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Now TY is just multitasking him to death.
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A well played series from both sides. Showtime just doesn't have the splash now.
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On May 25 2020 02:32 Solar424 wrote:
I didn't know Vikings can 2 shot Probes, another harass tool for Terran.
It has been quite some time.
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On May 25 2020 02:32 Solar424 wrote:
I didn't know Vikings can 2 shot Probes, another harass tool for Terran.
Would still prefer shift clicking tier 1 units in mineral lines than using expensive units tbf that have a good chance of doing nothing
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Great series. It's good to see that TY is back to playing fun styles after also succumbing to the 2-base push meta in TvP
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they should show some footage of stimmed bio with this music
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Honestly for almost 3 am cross server play TY's micro looked mostly really sharp. And Showtime played really well too.
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Reynor's logo is sideways
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The infestor/viper before hydra response to mutas was cool, but Reynor has just lost too many drones now.
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wardi sayd the elazer serral win was even more upset than the heromarine reynor win,,,
but that was no upset at all, heromarine has a all time winning record vs reynor
its no upset at all if anybody of those 2 wins
its a upset when rotti wins vs neeb
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Killing a base with banelings has to be the most satisfying feeling as Zerg
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On May 25 2020 02:59 tilhorizon wrote:
its a upset when rotti wins vs neeb
Well I don't know. Neeb is American.
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On May 25 2020 03:00 Solar424 wrote:
Killing a base with banelings has to be the most satisfying feeling as Zerg
the best feeling in sc2, by far, is killing a medivac carrying a thor with mutalisks
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On May 25 2020 03:00 Solar424 wrote:
Killing a base with banelings has to be the most satisfying feeling as Zerg
Seeing a zerg base killed by banelings has to be the most satisfying thin as a Terran/Protoss
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On May 25 2020 03:00 Solar424 wrote:
Killing a base with banelings has to be the most satisfying feeling as Zerg
Nothing will ever be as satisfying as this tho
+ Show Spoiler +
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On May 25 2020 03:02 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 03:00 Solar424 wrote:
Killing a base with banelings has to be the most satisfying feeling as Zerg Seeing a zerg base killed by banelings has to be the most satisfying thin as a Terran/Protoss
Unless MMA comes back and switches to Zerg you won't see much of that.
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I think Serral is going to win this tournament.
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On May 25 2020 03:06 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 03:02 sneakyfox wrote:On May 25 2020 03:00 Solar424 wrote:
Killing a base with banelings has to be the most satisfying feeling as Zerg Seeing a zerg base killed by banelings has to be the most satisfying thin as a Terran/Protoss Unless MMA comes back and switches to Zerg you won't see much of that.
I just saw it
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On May 25 2020 03:09 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 03:06 Solar424 wrote:On May 25 2020 03:02 sneakyfox wrote:On May 25 2020 03:00 Solar424 wrote:
Killing a base with banelings has to be the most satisfying feeling as Zerg Seeing a zerg base killed by banelings has to be the most satisfying thin as a Terran/Protoss Unless MMA comes back and switches to Zerg you won't see much of that. I just saw it
There is nothing like not watching a game and comment right after !
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On May 25 2020 03:02 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 03:00 Solar424 wrote:
Killing a base with banelings has to be the most satisfying feeling as Zerg the best feeling in sc2, by far, is killing a medivac carrying a thor with mutalisks
Baneling land mines. God, I love that feeling.
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On May 25 2020 03:13 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 03:09 sneakyfox wrote:On May 25 2020 03:06 Solar424 wrote:On May 25 2020 03:02 sneakyfox wrote:On May 25 2020 03:00 Solar424 wrote:
Killing a base with banelings has to be the most satisfying feeling as Zerg Seeing a zerg base killed by banelings has to be the most satisfying thin as a Terran/Protoss Unless MMA comes back and switches to Zerg you won't see much of that. I just saw it There is nothing like not watching a game and comment right after !
You read that wrong. I saw the game live, so I already saw that happen, which was the reply to Solar424
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And mine was also geared toward Solar424.
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What is Serral doing? O.o
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Oof ZvZ ultras. Well time to brace for disaster. I feel like I've seen even brood lords win more often that ultras.
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Little bit of trolling there
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Well he was dead before the ultras popped, so it would be unfair to blame them too much.
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To be fair, the 4000 resource ultra hit squad did manage to kill a spore and a handful of lurkers.
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this is just so disappointing, again :/
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Ultras tried a March in Reynor's city to rally the drones ?
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On May 25 2020 03:05 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 03:00 Solar424 wrote:
Killing a base with banelings has to be the most satisfying feeling as Zerg Nothing will ever be as satisfying as this tho + Show Spoiler +
nah this
www.youtube.com
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Serral's done a really good job with the lower tech army. A lot of his attacks feel like they would have fallen flat if they had been ever so slightly delayed.
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Has anyone ever mined the mineral walls in the middle of this map?
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On May 25 2020 03:51 Solar424 wrote:
Has anyone ever mined the mineral walls in the middle of this map?
I've seen it once or twice by terran (so that tanks and thors can get through), but it's very very rare on Zen.
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On May 25 2020 03:08 dysenterymd wrote:
I think Serral is going to win this tournament.
Nice curse.
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What a disappointment from Serral
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Not getting lurkers wasn't the right call. Good game by both.
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Wow, great series, but Serral shouldn't have lost this game - he had an advantage but threw it away when he tried to force the issue when up 4 bases to 3 and allowed his 4th to get sniped. He just needed to stablise his position at that time.
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Poor Serral losing... Gratz Reynor
I can see Clem vs uThermal nice! Will be super hard for Clem tho, he has troubles in TvT apparently
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That was a very nice game. Serral did really well with the large maneuvers, but the roach harass and the better tech pulled through for Reynor. And playing without the lurkers is the harder position to play (even if the game might be objectively equal).
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Intense game. Lurkers are good
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Gg Reynor, good news for Inno
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what a game, wp Reynor!
Worst result for Serral since he reached the Serral level if you know what I mean :D
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Serral going for Ultras in g4 and skipping Lurkers in g5, RICCARDO deserved to win!
Worst result for Serral since BlizzCon 2017. The most annoying part will be the anti-Serral spam by his many haters...
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Im aware I cannot know how Serral prepares, and he played so much against Elazer and Reynor that there are a lot of mindgames going on but WHY DOES HE FEEL THE NEED TO DO SOME WEIRD SH1T ON EVERY SINGLE MAP?!
I understand cheesing a couple of times, throwing a curve-ball timing here and there, but what the actual hell is up with Serral lately.
Say he wins this last game, if you cover out the nametags, i still couldnt have said that he's the one facing Reynor.
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On May 25 2020 03:58 Xain0n wrote:
Serral going for Ultras in g4 and skipping Lurkers in g5...RICCARDO deserved to win!
Yeah I think we've seen Serral weirdly go for ultras multiple times against Reynor in their match history. Can't name a time it was a good move
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On May 25 2020 03:59 Geo.Rion wrote:
I know I cannt know how Serral perpares, and he played so much against Elazer and Reynor that there are a lot of mindgames going on but WHY DOES HE FEEL THE NEED TO DO SOME WEIRD SH1T ON EVERY SINGLE MAP?!
I understand cheesing a couple of times, throwing a curve-ball timing here and there, but what the actual hell is up with Serral lately.
Say he wins this last game, if you cover out the nametags, i still couldnt have said that he's the one facing Reynor.
ZhuGeLiang got to him. But 12 pooling (without drone pull) on Zen isn't that weird either.
On May 25 2020 03:58 Xain0n wrote:
Serral going for Ultras in g4 and skipping Lurkers in g5, RICCARDO deserved to win!
Worst result for Serral since BlizzCon 2017. The most annoying part will be the anti-Serral spam by his many haters...
He was lost before the ultras popped in game 4, and in game 5 he was trading tech for a timing and momentum given Reynor's quicker fourth. Not going lurker in game 5 might not necessarily be the correct decision, but it's definitely not a crazy decision. Just a very bold one that didn't work out.
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Serral giving me anxiety what is going on here with all the shenanigans.
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especialy when you up 300/400 mmr over the other players
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On May 25 2020 03:59 Geo.Rion wrote:
I know I cannt know how Serral perpares, and he played so much against Elazer and Reynor that there are a lot of mindgames going on but WHY DOES HE FEEL THE NEED TO DO SOME WEIRD SH1T ON EVERY SINGLE MAP?!
I understand cheesing a couple of times, throwing a curve-ball timing here and there, but what the actual hell is up with Serral lately.
Say he wins this last game, if you cover out the nametags, i still couldnt have said that he's the one facing Reynor.
I agree, he has been incredibly aggressive and has gone for questionable builds/decisions.
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It's really strange to see Serral going for so many aggressive builds in tournaments, but maybe he's currently not feeling the "standard" play. Or he sees something that we don't.
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Definitely would like to see Serral play more standard again as well, especially in zvz. Just burrow some roaches, split the army etc. like in the past.
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On May 25 2020 04:05 virpi wrote:
It's really strange to see Serral going for so many aggressive builds in tournaments, but maybe he's currently not feeling the "standard" play. Or he sees something that we don't.
I am starting to think Serral is somehow developing an anti clutch factor opposed to the super clutchness he had in 2018, right now he either stomps or he gets to the ace match and loses…
Can't say why he doesn't play standard in ZvZ, it suits his playstyle much better.
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Does Serral practise on a smurf account? His gm account isn't that active for a pro gamer.
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On May 25 2020 04:12 SC-Shield wrote:
Does Serral practise on a smurf account? His gm account isn't that active for a pro gamer.
Said he mostly plays customs which makes sense, but he actually said he would prefer playing ladder if it didnt take so long, so would make sense if he had a lower mmr acc
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uThermal seems very prepared.
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These hellion/marauder slow timings look sharp against standard terran openings. I wonder what the 'correct' response is. Banshee maybe?
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Just woke up. Pretty expected results for today, none of the madness from last weekend.
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bouncing tanks might even look sillier than bouncing queens
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Those cutesy micro moves outright won him the game.
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On May 25 2020 04:29 royalroadweed wrote:
Those cutesy micro moves outright won him the game.
Those opportunities aren't as common in TvT, Clem can't just brute force APM his way through opponents in that match up like he can vs Zergs and Protoss.
Clem is still a super strong, scary player especially for how young he is, but his TvT has a long way to go.
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GG, not really a suprise. But what a short series, expected atleast a macro game here and there.. Now to the match of the day for me..
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Clem vs Reynor is one exciting matchup but it comes way too early in this tournament for my tastes.
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On May 25 2020 04:45 Xain0n wrote:
Clem vs Reynor is one exciting matchup but it comes way too early in this tournament for my tastes.
Reynor will do what Reynor does best, eliminate Serral then blow out immediately after it
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On May 25 2020 04:50 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 04:45 Xain0n wrote:
Clem vs Reynor is one exciting matchup but it comes way too early in this tournament for my tastes. Reynor will do what Reynor does best, eliminate Serral then blow out immediately after it
It could very well be, but unless MaNa makes a miracle I don't think Clem's TvT has chances against Inno, while Reynor is always competitive against him(and actually ahead in the H2H).
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Reynor is the Serral sniper
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Clem knocked down, and Serral knocked out. Rotterdam is in shambles!
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On May 25 2020 04:58 Vindicare605 wrote:
Clem knocked down, and Serral knocked out. Rotterdam is in shambles!
Also, Goblin didn't qualify for the tournament.
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Wow in the beginning it looked like Heromarine would get his ass handled but actually he played it out really well.
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On May 25 2020 05:00 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 04:58 Vindicare605 wrote:
Clem knocked down, and Serral knocked out. Rotterdam is in shambles! Also, Goblin didn't qualify for the tournament.
And MaxPax was disqualified, because to young
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I don't think I've ever seen the first BC do literally nothing before dying :|
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On May 25 2020 05:22 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen the first BC do literally nothing before dying :|
You should watch me play more then :p
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Elazer will NOT calm down bro! - Zombiegrub 2020
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This Elazer follow is a decent player.
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I love how decisive Elazer is. "Oh, an opening!" -> "Go, attack, now, everything, HM needs to lose."
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Elazer doesn't give a fuck, who is the more hyped player! lol.
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this reminds me of Maru vs Serral at WESG
Edit: except of course, that Maru came back and won .
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A really onesided series in the end, even in game 1 he looked good for a while. gg
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nice tactic choices heromarine "facepalm"
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With how late that 3rd hatch was HM must have thought it's 2 hatch spire or something but didn't try to confirm. I mean Elazer tried to hide it but Gabe should have known something was up. And then he let the roaches into his main immediately. I think today we didn't see the best of him.
Elazer meanwhile continues to show the good form he showed in the StayAtHSC.
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Really underwhelming day overall :/
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Nice, we have a lot of KR vs EU+SpeCial matches !
Today lower bracket was ok imo.
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Can't beleive we lost Vania for this
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hello,; Is there VOd for Cure vs INno?
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Yes, on teamliquid twitch channel.
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Serral got patched into irrelevance.
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On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance.
Pretty sure you are baiting, but the patch isnt live yet. Besides hes been losing zvz's. Dunno what the patch has to do with that. Anyhow, it was inevitable he would drop out early in a tournament someday. Hes not a robot after all.
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Serral needs to play more standard again :/
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On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance.
A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs, and couldn't even reach the Koreans through the foreigners? Don't blame the patch. Serral went 1-2 in series, all ZvZ. Really disappointing performance, but he's Serral; he'll bounce back. Everyone has a bad showing every once in a while; it's natural. Don't blame Blizzard.
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On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:the patch isnt live yet.
Doesn't take 2, one is enough.
On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs
Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut.
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On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut.
Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else?
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On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else?
Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind, since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here.
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On May 25 2020 09:41 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else? Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here.
I knew that Serral irremediably shattered your dreams of eternal korean domination over Sc2 and that you'll never recover from that.
However, that's not a good reason to blindly hate and overtly lie like you have been doing in almost every post involving Serral you made recently.
Serral reached his peak in the second half of 2018 when he(not the Zerg race, who went extinct in GSL in that period very much unlike a "broken race" you speak of should do) could comfortably win any lategame with his superior macro and multitasking and was impervious to any cheese due to his superior scouting; you should be glad that the meta shifted, and it's objectively good for Sc2 because Serral was just winning every series and every tournament when that was the case.
Serral played more aggressively throughout 2019(making good use of nyduses, for example) and he still won the most titles out of any player last year.
Now he has been experimenting with even more aggressive(and very dubious) builds, ending up losing ZvZ against players who are very good at it; I want to underline that koreans have not had the upper hand in the matchup in the last yead and half and, conversely, results suggest that, when evenly matched, foreigners seem to perform better.
You deliberately forget that no player has been more consistent than Serral since 2018. To name a few, Rogue had very disappointing results in 2019 before the Code S season he won and that Innovation even failed to qualify for BlizzCon; not for one moment you doubted they still were top tier players and now you would want us to believe that Serral will be back to his pre godlike status after he lost 2-3 twice in three games? His last comparable early exit is dated October 2017, and two years and half are eons in Sc2.
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Surprised Serral is already out. Would love to have seen Maru in this tournament. I feel Innovation will win it all, he's in God mode now.
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Sad that the hype is kinda low. So many games, but so few pages (even less than GSL RO8 LR with only 2 games per day). Also, this is being streamed at a NA/EU-friendly time zone. And the Korean-foreigner storylines. Do the pros not treat this tourney seriously? So what tier is this tourney - similar to HSC?
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On May 25 2020 12:44 RKC wrote:
Sad that the hype is kinda low. So many games, but so few pages (even less than GSL RO8 LR with only 2 games per day). Also, this is being streamed at a NA/EU-friendly time zone. And the Korean-foreigner storylines. Do the pros not treat this tourney seriously? So what tier is this tourney - similar to HSC?
This is a premier tournament, a very important one as not only the prize point pool is 30k but also a lot of EPT points up for grabs. The viewership has been great with 15k+ just on the main stream while last week we had 1000+ comments just for the matches on saturday. (https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/559843-tsl5-loser-bracket-round-1)
But not every day can be spectacular, and yesterday that was just the case. It can happen
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Didn't watch games but that comeback by Reynor was awesome! Kid is trying to take the throne. Gogo Reynor vs. Elazer finals!
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I don't get why Serral is playing proactively instead of reactively - has the meta moved to only favour the aggressive player?
What happened to scout and counter w/e the opponent is doing?
As a fanboy it what super frustrating to watch.
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On May 25 2020 19:22 Lazzarus wrote:
I don't get why Serral is playing proactively instead of reactively - has the meta moved to only favour the aggressive player?
What happened to scout and counter w/e the opponent is doing?
As a fanboy it what super frustrating to watch.
He said he "didnt want to play like a simp" and try another playstyle. Early days to say it doesnt work but early signs are not great for sure.
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On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance.
I don't even...
Serral made some mistakes and lost. Happens
+ Show Spoiler +was thinking of reporting this post but someone else was faster anyway
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On May 25 2020 10:39 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 09:41 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else? Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here. I knew that Serral irremediably shattered your dreams of eternal korean domination over Sc2 and that you'll never recover from that... in Sc2.
I mean, Scarlett, Rogue and Serral won global events that year, Reynor reached finals and so did Dark. You may not like it but Zerg is the very best race in premier tournaments since half 2017. And overall it's the race with the greatest diversity of premier champions on LoTV.
Serral is still a very good player though, and what he accomplished is really impressive.
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On May 25 2020 09:41 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else? Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind, since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here.
I can grasp what is happening here. What's happening here is that you're conflating correlation with causation. Serral lost a tournament after a patch, therefore he lost *because* of the patch. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy:
+ Show Spoiler +
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On May 25 2020 22:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 09:41 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else? Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind, since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here. I can grasp what is happening here. What's happening here is that you're conflating correlation with causation. Serral lost a tournament after a patch, therefore he lost *because* of the patch. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy: + Show Spoiler +
The patch isn t even live yet guys 
Reynor has his own explanation on why Serral loses more often right now:
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On May 25 2020 23:11 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 22:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 09:41 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else? Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind, since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here. I can grasp what is happening here. What's happening here is that you're conflating correlation with causation. Serral lost a tournament after a patch, therefore he lost *because* of the patch. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy: + Show Spoiler + The patch isn t even live yet guys
Well, I was assuming that Morbidius was referring to the last patch, obviously. It wouldn't make sense to blame tournament results on a future patch.
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On May 25 2020 23:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 23:11 dbRic1203 wrote:On May 25 2020 22:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 09:41 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else? Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind, since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here. I can grasp what is happening here. What's happening here is that you're conflating correlation with causation. Serral lost a tournament after a patch, therefore he lost *because* of the patch. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy: + Show Spoiler + The patch isn t even live yet guys Well, I was assuming that Morbidius was referring to the last patch, obviously. It wouldn't make sense to blame tournament results on a future patch.
It sounded like you were assuming the patch allready went live..
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If it wasn't for serral getting knocked out we wouldn't get 10 pages on this thread. Wp reynor
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On May 25 2020 23:25 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2020 23:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 23:11 dbRic1203 wrote:On May 25 2020 22:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 09:41 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 09:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:49 Morbidius wrote:On May 25 2020 08:22 ilax30 wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. the patch isnt live yet. Doesn't take 2, one is enough. On May 25 2020 08:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 25 2020 08:18 Morbidius wrote:
Serral got patched into irrelevance. A Zerg who lost 2 ZvZs Why would we believe he can take on Korean T and P now that losing to foreigner zergs is the rule not the exception? Probably was in Ence's office this week to discuss his salary cut. Your sample size of three series in just one tournament is way, way too low to assert that Serral will no longer be relevant across any high-level ZvX match-up. The Zergs, overall, have been performing reasonably well this tournament; Please explain how Serral has been uniquely "patched into irrelevance" when the other Zergs seem to be doing just fine. Why hasn't the patch applied to anyone else? Other players have playstyle ranges and nuances, the Idraesque mindset of ''I'll just defend and macro up and all will be fine'' is outdated and only works for broken races in broken metas.If you want an idea of how Serral will perform from now on you can look at his single second place at WCS foreigner welfare in 2017 to have a clear picture in your mind, since you obviously can't grasp what is happening here. I can grasp what is happening here. What's happening here is that you're conflating correlation with causation. Serral lost a tournament after a patch, therefore he lost *because* of the patch. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy: + Show Spoiler + The patch isn t even live yet guys Well, I was assuming that Morbidius was referring to the last patch, obviously. It wouldn't make sense to blame tournament results on a future patch. It sounded like you were assuming the patch allready went live..
Edit: When someone asserts that a patch has affected a player, I think it's reasonable to assume that the patch they're referring to is one that has already affected the game, as opposed to a future patch that has not yet gone live. Maybe it's unreasonable to assume such a thing; I don't know for sure. If you think Morbidius is referring to a future patch, then I think it would make more sense for you to ask him which patch he's referring to.
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When are next games? I can't seem to find more info. The weekend again?
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On May 26 2020 00:34 SC-Shield wrote:
When are next games? I can't seem to find more info. The weekend again?
Yeah continues Saturday/Sunday.
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Is it harder to ask the LR or just go to liquipedia ?
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On May 25 2020 12:44 RKC wrote:
Sad that the hype is kinda low. So many games, but so few pages (even less than GSL RO8 LR with only 2 games per day). Also, this is being streamed at a NA/EU-friendly time zone. And the Korean-foreigner storylines. Do the pros not treat this tourney seriously? So what tier is this tourney - similar to HSC?
Online tournaments that are cross server will always have a different feel. Some pros have been vocal on the preparation or lack of for this tournament.
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Man, did Serral steal Morbidius's girlfriend or something? I get being vindictive and poisonous online is all the rage in 2020, but damn--he takes the cake!
Great tourney so far, bit surprised at how well Elazer fared against Hero, but seems to be playing really well atm.
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My feeling is that Serral is outthinking himself. Basically, he's trying to meta the meta. Not sure if that's the correct way, especially in ZvZ. Throwing in some aggressive builds is important, but I really didn't understand his long term goal in game 5 vs. Reynor. His mid game was very strong, he almost broke Reynor twice, but then he was basically forced to play that shitty composition vs. lurkers. Even the snipe on the lurker den didn't really help in the long term. Reynor defended insanely well, though, most lesser zerg players simply die to what Serral was doing.
But who am I to judge, I'm over 2k MMR below Serral. Maybe he's actively trying to evolve his playstyle. This leads to some losses, naturally. Other players also are improving. The god mode form from 2018 was cool while it lasted.
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Looks like I have a bunch of games to catch up on!
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On May 26 2020 09:36 starkiller123 wrote:
Looks like I have a bunch of games to catch up on!
I miss Best Games of the Month 
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Why are the next matches not scheduled yet!!!
I neeeeeed to know when my next fix is coming
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