[GSL 2020] Code S - RO24 - Group C

On April 18 2020 13:17 Die4Ever wrote:
holy shit DRG is playing pretty decently actually
edit: well he was lol

On April 18 2020 13:29 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
Haven't watched sctoo for a few years, what's the sitch re: drg's new haircut? How do we all feel about this

On April 18 2020 13:32 Morbidius wrote:
How do we feel about Zest's black hair?

On April 18 2020 13:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


He clearly learned all the wrong things from military service imo. We don't need Wolf to tell us that that haircut gets a failing grade.

On April 18 2020 13:33 DBooN wrote:

Definitely better than blonde.

On April 18 2020 13:37 Moonerz wrote:
Is there a reason the youtube link can't be added in the live events thing? Sorry if this is a noob question.

Obviously can grab the link in the thread but it's pretty convenient to just click it in the top right.

On April 18 2020 13:55 Topin wrote:
weird 1st game, lets hope for a better second one

On April 18 2020 14:02 seemsgood wrote:

whats weird is da rise of mutas lately

On April 18 2020 14:08 DBooN wrote:
Are we gonna miss out on Zest vs Impact?

On April 18 2020 14:05 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


A surprise to be sure but a welcome one. Though tbf I don't think Impact (in particular) stopped making mutas at any point even when it wasn't meta at all.

edit: And why does Impact keep on expanding towards the terran... Cure's pushes would be half as strong if he had to travel twice as far, and ling runbys would be way stronger.

On April 18 2020 14:09 blooblooblahblah wrote:
I know Cure is really good but he doesn't look super convincing in his offline matches

On April 18 2020 14:16 seemsgood wrote:

i always think dude is a solid terran ,and "solid" is below "super gud"

On April 18 2020 14:33 SetStndbySmn wrote:
Not really sure why Zest stopped probe production at 60 in that game and was still floating so much money

On April 18 2020 14:38 blooblooblahblah wrote:


This is Zest we're talking about. He will always float no matter the worker count.

On April 18 2020 14:41 DBooN wrote:
Very strange attack.

On April 18 2020 14:43 seemsgood wrote:

slowest 2 base push ever

On April 18 2020 14:41 pvsnp wrote:


#ZestMacro

On April 18 2020 14:52 seemsgood wrote:
zest s playing like PvZ

On April 18 2020 14:53 Topin wrote:
i can see DRG taking 2nd place... well i will find out tomorrow gn!

On April 18 2020 15:25 seemsgood wrote:
what ? there is no need to gg dude

On April 18 2020 15:25 seemsgood wrote:
what ? there is no need to gg dude

On April 18 2020 15:25 Die4Ever wrote:

I think Impact was dead

On April 18 2020 15:35 BerserkSword wrote:
this zvz is putting me to sleep lol

On April 18 2020 15:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
guys DRG won a map
this is a good day

On April 18 2020 15:41 dbRic1203 wrote:
After watching this, I can understand why there are people thinking ZvZ is super boring.
And I can t understand how people think Kr ZvZ is better than eu ZvZ, they looked like they had no flue what they were doing whatsoever

On April 18 2020 15:44 Argonauta wrote:
the win rate of 12 pool drone pull proxy spine is amazing, I never seen that strategy lose

On April 18 2020 15:46 Ej_ wrote:

Nah was over when he lost pool and the spine wasn't close to death.

On April 18 2020 15:54 serralfan18 wrote:
Any reason why they didn't show Life in the history video? He was the first royal roader and made a big impact on SC2

On April 18 2020 15:54 serralfan18 wrote:
Any reason why they didn't show Life in the history video? He was the first royal roader and made a big impact on SC2

On April 18 2020 15:55 Ej_ wrote:

How is this troll account not banned yet lol

On April 18 2020 16:03 Ej_ wrote:
I honestly didn't think we could get a GSL group sadder than the one with TOP, but here we are

On April 18 2020 16:03 Ej_ wrote:
I honestly didn't think we could get a GSL group sadder than the one with TOP, but here we are

On April 18 2020 16:07 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
maybe not the most thrilling games tonight... group D looks pretty cool though

On April 18 2020 16:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
So what did Impact veto rather than P&I?

On April 18 2020 16:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
So what did Impact veto rather than P&I?

On April 18 2020 16:14 Ej_ wrote:

He probably wantes to play this map just to play muta. Not like the previous game was close.

On April 18 2020 16:17 Morbidius wrote:
I'm really not liking this meta, not a single series i'd rate more than 3/5 so far in GSL.

On April 18 2020 16:18 Lil_nooblet wrote:


We lost a couple really good players in the offseason and we also have 4 players seeded into the ro16 so the groups seem to be a bit lopsided with a lot of bad games. I think the upcoming groups will be a bit better.

On April 18 2020 16:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


No love for sOs vs Bunny?

On April 18 2020 16:21 Morbidius wrote:

I think the seed into the RO16 is a bad move, we get to see less of the top players, the ones with the most fans and who bring the viewers in.

On April 18 2020 16:31 Die4Ever wrote:

I wonder if the reason why they did it is because they didn't think there were enough "Code S level players" remaining

I think 5 Code S players have retired recently? so it makes sense to shrink the tournament by 4 players to compensate
(24 players in this group stage, and 4 are seeded into the next stage, means 28 Code S players instead of 32, it's the only way to have a 28 player tournament and end up with the 2nd stage consisting of 4 players per group)

On April 18 2020 16:51 Morbidius wrote:

There weren't enough ''code S'' players for the last two years already, the GSL hierarchy was already very rigid and the participants who are just cannon fodder were obvious.

On April 18 2020 16:57 Elentos wrote:

6 players from 2019 S3 retired. The player pool is indeed very limited at this point and if they still had 32 spots the qualifiers would probably barely count as competitive and people would almost never miss a season. And if they do, it'd be in favor of players who are on the level of TRUE or kiwian.

On April 18 2020 17:32 Zzzapper wrote:


And between those 6 you have Gumi, Classic, and herO who are among the few players who made ro16 5 out of 6 times in the last 2 years (Dark being the only 6/6). The ro32 was already very tiered between a group of players who usually advanced and one who rarely or never did.

I made a spreadsheet once but didn't save it so I don't have the exact numbers. It was something like 85% of the ro16 spots for the last 2 years being taken by the same 20 players. Now, 3 of those 20 are gone (and 3 of the most consistent ones, even) as well as 3 players at he upper end of the 2nd tier. That doesn't just soften up the first group stage, it also leaves a lot of room in the ro16.

On April 18 2020 17:32 Zzzapper wrote:


And among those 6 you have Gumi, Classic, and herO who are among the few players who made ro16 5 out of 6 times in the last 2 years (Dark being the only 6/6). The ro32 was already very tiered between a group of players who usually advanced and one who rarely or never did.

I made a spreadsheet once but didn't save it so I don't have the exact numbers. It was something like 85% of the ro16 spots for the last 2 years being taken by the same 20 players. Now, 3 of those 20 are gone (and 3 of the most consistent ones, even) as well as 3 players at he upper end of the 2nd tier. That doesn't just soften up the first group stage, it also leaves a lot of room in the ro16.

On April 18 2020 17:59 dbRic1203 wrote:

I m pretty sure, that the Match fixing scandal had a way bigger impact on the Kr scene, as that was the reason why Proleague and most of proleague teams disbanded. Region lock isn t affecting the Tier 3-4 Kr players, as they wouldn t break even on oversees trips anyways.

On April 18 2020 23:19 argonautdice wrote:

I feel like the biggest reason is because SC2 is a ten year old game, and it's brutal. Older pros only get older while younger pros enter at a limited pace because they're more likely exposed to newer, more accessible games. The only reason there are still relatively young SC2 pros out there is because this is the most famous/competitive RTS out there and is made by Blizzard. And this type of game will always have a niche for a small subset of the population.

Actually high school or younger would be the best time to go pro here as college and above people would be "distracted" by other life priorities, especially in a competitive place like South Korea. Kids/adults would probably rather play a fun 5v5 game with their friends to relieve their real-life stress rather than experience ladder anxiety (doesn't Inno like to watch/play a lot of LoL?). This is a also game that's non-team centric due to its 1v1 focus so high-paying team sponsorship would be hard to come by unless there's a sustained team league.

The question is: are there any other competitive esports 1v1 RTS, or for that matter any 1v1 esports out there that is as successful as SC2 right now currently as an esport (new games notwithstanding)?

This is coming from someone who's only ever played a couple days of SC2 but has been watching since 2012.