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[IEM 2020] Katowice - Round of 76 - Day 2 - Page 3

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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
February 25 2020 11:34 GMT
#41
Hurricane spent half that game pretending he had an army good enough to contend with Clem's on Clem's side of the map
Year of MaxPax
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-25 11:35:43
February 25 2020 11:34 GMT
#42
I think Hurricane did things there that a lot of players don't. Sometimes you get into positions where the usual RTS logic of when to attack or defend doesn't apply anymore.

That first time he poked at Clem's third base with just charge and storm was one of those, for example. Wardi and Rotti are right to question that move usually, it makes zero sense to expose your army like that while you're expanding and teching - usually. But Hurricane realized if he gives Clem the breathing space to take that third easily while he himself tries to catch up on tech and economy, he just dies a few minutes later. Instead he teched, expanded AND attacked at the same time which, because he didn't lose too much, kept Clem off the third for much longer. These are risks of course but from the spot Hurricane was in there isn't a way he wins without taking these. And he made so many smart decisions on when to take which risks and how to get back in. Very impressed.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
February 25 2020 11:36 GMT
#43
On February 25 2020 20:34 Olli wrote:
I think Hurricane did things there that a lot of players don't. Sometimes you get into positions where the usual RTS logic of when to attack or defend doesn't apply anymore.

That first time he poked at Clem's third base with just charge and storm was one of those, for example. Wardi and Rotti are right to question that move usually, it makes zero sense to expose your army like that while you're expanding and teching - usually. But Hurricane realized if he gives Clem the breathing space to take that third easily while he himself tries to catch up on tech and economy, he just dies a few minutes later. Instead he teched, expanded AND attacked at the same time which, because he didn't lose too much, kept Clem off the third for much longer. These are risks of course but from the spot Hurricane was in there isn't a way he wins without taking these. And he made so many smart decisions on when to take which risks and how to get back in. Very impressed.

Wonderful copy pasta : >
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7162 Posts
February 25 2020 11:36 GMT
#44
The gap has closed is wider than ever
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 25 2020 11:36 GMT
#45
On February 25 2020 20:36 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2020 20:34 Olli wrote:
I think Hurricane did things there that a lot of players don't. Sometimes you get into positions where the usual RTS logic of when to attack or defend doesn't apply anymore.

That first time he poked at Clem's third base with just charge and storm was one of those, for example. Wardi and Rotti are right to question that move usually, it makes zero sense to expose your army like that while you're expanding and teching - usually. But Hurricane realized if he gives Clem the breathing space to take that third easily while he himself tries to catch up on tech and economy, he just dies a few minutes later. Instead he teched, expanded AND attacked at the same time which, because he didn't lose too much, kept Clem off the third for much longer. These are risks of course but from the spot Hurricane was in there isn't a way he wins without taking these. And he made so many smart decisions on when to take which risks and how to get back in. Very impressed.

Wonderful copy pasta : >


Thanks!
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 25 2020 11:39 GMT
#46
On February 25 2020 20:36 Harris1st wrote:
The gap has closed is wider than ever


Even taking into consideration Katowice's voodoo magic, the gap just can't be wider than ever: last year two non koreans advanced from the offline qualifiers and we are already at that number right now.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
February 25 2020 11:40 GMT
#47
On February 25 2020 20:39 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2020 20:36 Harris1st wrote:
The gap has closed is wider than ever


Even taking into consideration Katowice's voodoo magic, the gap just can't be wider than ever: last year two non koreans advanced from the offline qualifiers and we are already at that number right now.

I wonder why, surely it can't be because even more koreans retired this year
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7162 Posts
February 25 2020 11:47 GMT
#48
On February 25 2020 20:39 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2020 20:36 Harris1st wrote:
The gap has closed is wider than ever


Even taking into consideration Katowice's voodoo magic, the gap just can't be wider than ever: last year two non koreans advanced from the offline qualifiers and we are already at that number right now.


At this point I don't expect we will get more than those 2 and this with a rapidly declining Korean rosters...
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
February 25 2020 11:50 GMT
#49
We don't seem to have a really catchy ridiculous ad to make fun of this year have we?

Don't get me wrong they're not great, the ones I've seen, but not really of pristine silly quality either,

disappoint
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
February 25 2020 11:51 GMT
#50
soO vs Bunny hype! Which tbh depends an awful lot on their form..
Mine gas, build tanks.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
February 25 2020 11:53 GMT
#51
POLT!!
Mine gas, build tanks.
Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
February 25 2020 11:54 GMT
#52
polt vs harstem g2 was great
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
February 25 2020 11:54 GMT
#53
Not another WLL now please Harstem
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
February 25 2020 11:55 GMT
#54
lol wtf is Polt doing and why did it work
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
February 25 2020 11:55 GMT
#55
On February 25 2020 20:54 Sif_ wrote:
polt vs harstem g2 was great

Bcs are ruining pro sc2 for me
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
February 25 2020 11:56 GMT
#56
Clem 0 - 1 Nice

This is a nightmare :x
WriterMaru
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
February 25 2020 11:57 GMT
#57
On February 25 2020 20:55 BerserkSword wrote:
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On February 25 2020 20:54 Sif_ wrote:
polt vs harstem g2 was great

Bcs are ruining pro sc2 for me

I remember when Maru pulled out the BC opener vs z in GSL like a year+ ago and Tastosis were like "he's meming lol"

If they only knew
Mine gas, build tanks.
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-25 11:58:45
February 25 2020 11:58 GMT
#58
Eu terrans really having a problem with foreign tosses that play agressive. To be fair its hard to deal with mkultiple stalkers, adepts and a early immortal at the 5 (!) minute mark
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
February 25 2020 11:59 GMT
#59
those drones look like lion fish heh
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 25 2020 12:00 GMT
#60
On February 25 2020 20:40 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2020 20:39 Xain0n wrote:
On February 25 2020 20:36 Harris1st wrote:
The gap has closed is wider than ever


Even taking into consideration Katowice's voodoo magic, the gap just can't be wider than ever: last year two non koreans advanced from the offline qualifiers and we are already at that number right now.

I wonder why, surely it can't be because even more koreans retired this year


It would be much better if there were more korean progamers and less korean biased Sc2 fans, for sure.

Katowice's foreign presence has been declining throughout the years, in 2017 7 out of 12 players coming out of the offline bracket were non koreans; that has nothing to do with korean retirements and it is openly in contrast with the results we can observe in any other cross region tournament.

I can't see how the "Katowice is the only tournament with open bracket" argument can be any relevant, players get seeded to Katowice's open bracket just like they get seeded to BlizzCon's groups; once they are there, foreign players perform better when they have to get out of groups with the top 8 koreans than when they have to qualify through brackets where there mostly weaker koreans(given the majority of the stronger ones already qualified online).
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