Predictions: Bracket 3: Soo, Huricane, Clem Bracket 4: Trap, Dear, Lambo Polt gets eliminated super early and all the Poltfanboys, that still live in 2014 are going to be super salty and Lambo plays vs Ragnarock in the lower bracket and it s a Clown Fiesta super close Series
also, i'm really on a nostalgia train after the war3 tournament on the weekend so i'm playing D2 (well, Path of Diablo) on and off while watching this and it's so fucking good. i hope they DON'T remaster it
On February 25 2020 19:44 ssg wrote: I havent been keeping up with the scene lately. Has poly fallen off that bad? Seems like no one gave him a chance vs special
Well he hasn't had any results since returning from military, so that has been the general consensus I guess
On February 25 2020 19:44 ssg wrote: I havent been keeping up with the scene lately. Has poly fallen off that bad? Seems like no one gave him a chance vs special
It's his first offline tournament post-military, after nearly 4 years.
I think Hurricane did things there that a lot of players don't. Sometimes you get into positions where the usual RTS logic of when to attack or defend doesn't apply anymore.
That first time he poked at Clem's third base with just charge and storm was one of those, for example. Wardi and Rotti are right to question that move usually, it makes zero sense to expose your army like that while you're expanding and teching - usually. But Hurricane realized if he gives Clem the breathing space to take that third easily while he himself tries to catch up on tech and economy, he just dies a few minutes later. Instead he teched, expanded AND attacked at the same time which, because he didn't lose too much, kept Clem off the third for much longer. These are risks of course but from the spot Hurricane was in there isn't a way he wins without taking these. And he made so many smart decisions on when to take which risks and how to get back in. Very impressed.
On February 25 2020 20:34 Olli wrote: I think Hurricane did things there that a lot of players don't. Sometimes you get into positions where the usual RTS logic of when to attack or defend doesn't apply anymore.
That first time he poked at Clem's third base with just charge and storm was one of those, for example. Wardi and Rotti are right to question that move usually, it makes zero sense to expose your army like that while you're expanding and teching - usually. But Hurricane realized if he gives Clem the breathing space to take that third easily while he himself tries to catch up on tech and economy, he just dies a few minutes later. Instead he teched, expanded AND attacked at the same time which, because he didn't lose too much, kept Clem off the third for much longer. These are risks of course but from the spot Hurricane was in there isn't a way he wins without taking these. And he made so many smart decisions on when to take which risks and how to get back in. Very impressed.
On February 25 2020 20:34 Olli wrote: I think Hurricane did things there that a lot of players don't. Sometimes you get into positions where the usual RTS logic of when to attack or defend doesn't apply anymore.
That first time he poked at Clem's third base with just charge and storm was one of those, for example. Wardi and Rotti are right to question that move usually, it makes zero sense to expose your army like that while you're expanding and teching - usually. But Hurricane realized if he gives Clem the breathing space to take that third easily while he himself tries to catch up on tech and economy, he just dies a few minutes later. Instead he teched, expanded AND attacked at the same time which, because he didn't lose too much, kept Clem off the third for much longer. These are risks of course but from the spot Hurricane was in there isn't a way he wins without taking these. And he made so many smart decisions on when to take which risks and how to get back in. Very impressed.
On February 25 2020 20:36 Harris1st wrote: The gap has closed is wider than ever
Even taking into consideration Katowice's voodoo magic, the gap just can't be wider than ever: last year two non koreans advanced from the offline qualifiers and we are already at that number right now.
On February 25 2020 20:36 Harris1st wrote: The gap has closed is wider than ever
Even taking into consideration Katowice's voodoo magic, the gap just can't be wider than ever: last year two non koreans advanced from the offline qualifiers and we are already at that number right now.
I wonder why, surely it can't be because even more koreans retired this year
On February 25 2020 20:36 Harris1st wrote: The gap has closed is wider than ever
Even taking into consideration Katowice's voodoo magic, the gap just can't be wider than ever: last year two non koreans advanced from the offline qualifiers and we are already at that number right now.
At this point I don't expect we will get more than those 2 and this with a rapidly declining Korean rosters...
Eu terrans really having a problem with foreign tosses that play agressive. To be fair its hard to deal with mkultiple stalkers, adepts and a early immortal at the 5 (!) minute mark
On February 25 2020 20:36 Harris1st wrote: The gap has closed is wider than ever
Even taking into consideration Katowice's voodoo magic, the gap just can't be wider than ever: last year two non koreans advanced from the offline qualifiers and we are already at that number right now.
I wonder why, surely it can't be because even more koreans retired this year
It would be much better if there were more korean progamers and less korean biased Sc2 fans, for sure.
Katowice's foreign presence has been declining throughout the years, in 2017 7 out of 12 players coming out of the offline bracket were non koreans; that has nothing to do with korean retirements and it is openly in contrast with the results we can observe in any other cross region tournament.
I can't see how the "Katowice is the only tournament with open bracket" argument can be any relevant, players get seeded to Katowice's open bracket just like they get seeded to BlizzCon's groups; once they are there, foreign players perform better when they have to get out of groups with the top 8 koreans than when they have to qualify through brackets where there mostly weaker koreans(given the majority of the stronger ones already qualified online).
On February 25 2020 21:33 Akio wrote: soO looking on point, excited to see how far he's gonna go.
I really don't want MORE Zerg premier dominance, but soO i'd be ok with. He'd be the first back to back title holder.
Nah not even soO, if this tournament is another zvz fest (and i think zvz is fun to watch a lot of the time tbh) my recently awoken mini passion will be gone rather instantly
On February 25 2020 21:33 Akio wrote: soO looking on point, excited to see how far he's gonna go.
I really don't want MORE Zerg premier dominance, but soO i'd be ok with. He'd be the first back to back title holder.
Nah not even soO, if this tournament is another zvz fest (and i think zvz is fun to watch a lot of the time tbh) my recently awoken mini passion will be gone rather instantly
Oh hell no, I definitely don't want another ZvZ heavy final bracket, I'd rather see non-mirrors later in the tournament especially since we've already had so many mirrors in the qualifiers as it is. Yesterday was basically all PvP for the first half of the day. Not surprisingly the only really GOOD series we had yesterday were the TvPs.
On February 25 2020 21:33 Akio wrote: soO looking on point, excited to see how far he's gonna go.
I really don't want MORE Zerg premier dominance, but soO i'd be ok with. He'd be the first back to back title holder.
Nah not even soO, if this tournament is another zvz fest (and i think zvz is fun to watch a lot of the time tbh) my recently awoken mini passion will be gone rather instantly
I'd be ok with either soO or Dark winning but not if the tourney is a ZvZ fest of course
On February 25 2020 21:33 Akio wrote: soO looking on point, excited to see how far he's gonna go.
I really don't want MORE Zerg premier dominance, but soO i'd be ok with. He'd be the first back to back title holder.
Nah not even soO, if this tournament is another zvz fest (and i think zvz is fun to watch a lot of the time tbh) my recently awoken mini passion will be gone rather instantly
I'd be ok with either soO or Dark winning but not if the tourney is a ZvZ fest of course
Clem looked so sad wandering around the studio Realy nice from Special mentioning Clems "scouting inbefore, so he knew what he went up against vs Hurricane. GGs to Special for coming up with the solution on the spot, made it look easy
On February 25 2020 22:36 Penev wrote: 2020 looks like a decent Harstem year so far
Clem on the other hand... not yet Serral challenger material, although who knows how Serral is gonna look like.
Yeah, it's always interesting to see what everyone's skill level looks like at the start of a new season although I have little doubt Serral's gonna be high
I guess all hope for liquid keeping their honor at Katowice is on uThermals shoulders . Missed most games today but Clem looked Sharp in game one vs Hurricane but made some mistakes in game 2. Missed game Three, really wanted to watch more of Clem.
Hopefully Nice wins vs Hurricane, taking out both Clem and Bunny only to lose would kinda suck But Hurricane proved he could beat Clem so it's kinda ok I guess?
On February 26 2020 00:09 Poopi wrote: Hopefully Nice wins vs Hurricane, taking out both Clem and Bunny only to lose would kinda suck But Hurricane proved he could beat Clem so it's kinda ok I guess?
Nice has proven himself indeed but Hurricane took down both Clem and Harstem. Also Hurricane is really good guys!
Uthermal funnily enough using ghosts against toss for the first time since his first series against Neeb at cheese last year. Clem went cloaked banshees for the first time in tvp and used the single scouting hellion uthermal always uses. But happy the youngster got Uthermal to use ghosts in tvp as well even though he said multiple times he doesnt like the unit. Thats what bootcamps are for
Lol it would be so funny if the World best zergs are in europé, World best terrans in korea and World best protoss in Taiwan. Tbh Taiwan only has good protoss players =P
protoss are just roflstomping terran left right and centre. Still dont know how uthermal lost the 2nd game. Killed all tech units, maxed out emp'd everything and then still somehow 40 stalkers were left over. You have to kill a lot of probes early game, he didnt and went behind. GG
On February 26 2020 00:50 ilax30 wrote: protoss are just roflstomping terran left right and centre. Still dont know how uthermal lost the 2nd game. Killed all tech units, maxed out emp'd everything and then still somehow 40 stalkers were left over. You have to kill a lot of probes early game, he didnt and went behind. GG
Well at least Kelazhur just stomped Dear in a fight, maybe he can capitalize.
On February 26 2020 00:50 ilax30 wrote: protoss are just roflstomping terran left right and centre. Still dont know how uthermal lost the 2nd game. Killed all tech units, maxed out emp'd everything and then still somehow 40 stalkers were left over. You have to kill a lot of probes early game, he didnt and went behind. GG
That game was weird indeed. I wonder if he lost the main fight on the last map so convincingly as well.
First he take control of online SC2, then mister Bitter misteriously "cancel" and now he take Smix jobs, Apolo better watch himself, Wardi is comming for him.
But damn, thought that was over, Lambo was so close. Attacking just before trap's +2 att yet still not enough, sick defence and even without those ruptor shots it looked like a hold
I'm a big fan of Trap's ambition to blink 4 stalkers into 40 ravagers.
Not a fan of the big engagement though. Controlling these big death balls is difficult and he didn't have that many sentries for the big fight. Felt a bit... clumsy I guess?
On February 26 2020 02:22 Fango wrote: Man none of the players in the open bracket are looking impressive at all so far. Although I didn't catch any of soO's games?
On February 26 2020 02:22 Elentos wrote: I'm a big fan of Trap's ambition to blink 4 stalkers into 40 ravagers.
Not a fan of the big engagement though. Controlling these big death balls is difficult and he didn't have that many sentries for the big fight. Felt a bit... clumsy I guess?
He shouldn't gave pushed down a ramp vs banelings surely, at least not with such a low sentry count.
On February 26 2020 02:22 Fango wrote: Man none of the players in the open bracket are looking impressive at all so far. Although I didn't catch any of soO's games?
soO looked solid
soO and Inno just did exactly what was expected of them.
Thing is we're comparing to a vacuum, we just assume the players in the groups are gonna be higher level. Watch the group stage be a giant clusterfuck of clown fiesta where nothing makes any sense and everybody is bad and Has sneaks through.
On February 26 2020 02:22 Fango wrote: Man none of the players in the open bracket are looking impressive at all so far. Although I didn't catch any of soO's games?
soO looked solid
soO and Inno just did exactly what was expected of them.
Thing is we're comparing to a vacuum, we just assume the players in the groups are gonna be higher level. Watch the group stage be a giant clusterfuck of clown fiesta where nothing makes any sense and everybody is bad and Has sneaks through.
On February 26 2020 02:31 Nakajin wrote: If Ragnarok deliver, zerg will have taken half the uper bracket spot and one of the bracket had 0 zerg in it and another one only had Namshar.
zvz final hype!
All of the brackets except bracket 1 have had 1 protoss, 1 terran, and 1 zerg advance.
On February 26 2020 02:33 Musicus wrote: If Heromarine was in bracket 2 it would've been a great tournament for Germany so far.
I still think they should've done way better in Nation Wars.
Sad cause it felt like they just had a bad day. As a 3 player group they were the 2nd best team behind Korea tbh. Granted that's not the most important thing in NW, but would have liked Korea vs Schland.
On February 26 2020 02:38 Waxangel wrote: Only solution is to hold joint German-Taiwanese challenger tournament with lots of circuit points
Tbh as a 3 player squad Taiwan aka Chinese Taipei aka the Hasian Republic was also one of the better teams in NW. Just that there's an all-kill component to the event where they fall off cause they can't reliably beat top players.
On February 26 2020 02:46 Nakajin wrote: I want Dear to win Katowice so TL writer has to change the article they use for him since Blizzcon 2013
I'd love it but at the same time it's just impossible. Dear can barely keep his shit together long enough to win 1 game in a row. He's the absolute least consistent guy I can think of. The Jekyll and Hyde toss.
I feel that Serral was spot on with saying that foreigners keep dying to stupid things even if they have ability to advance and even win tournaments against Koreans.
On February 26 2020 03:10 Legan wrote: I feel that Serral was spot on with saying that foreigners keep dying to stupid things even if they have ability to advance and even win tournaments against Koreans.
It's called going full foreigner, Serral, for some reason, is immune to it
On February 26 2020 03:10 Legan wrote: I feel that Serral was spot on with saying that foreigners keep dying to stupid things even if they have ability to advance and even win tournaments against Koreans.
It's called going full foreigner, Serral, for some reason, is immune to it
He's the only one who plays like he's the better player while he actually is.
On February 26 2020 03:10 Legan wrote: I feel that Serral was spot on with saying that foreigners keep dying to stupid things even if they have ability to advance and even win tournaments against Koreans.
It's called going full foreigner, Serral, for some reason, is immune to it
I think it has a lot to do with Serral's style. He's not only better than any foreigner (minus Reynor on some days), he's normally playing a very reactive and flexible style. He's also not afraid of going to the late game, some zerg players refuse to do that and headbutt into superior armies, which can work (Lambo did it just a few hours ago), but is very fragile.
On February 26 2020 03:10 Legan wrote: I feel that Serral was spot on with saying that foreigners keep dying to stupid things even if they have ability to advance and even win tournaments against Koreans.
It's called going full foreigner, Serral, for some reason, is immune to it
He's the only one who plays like he's the better player while he actually is.
that's well put however I've seen a lot of well deserved advantageous positions being lost by foreigners vs Koreans and I'm sure you have as well :D
On February 26 2020 03:10 Legan wrote: I feel that Serral was spot on with saying that foreigners keep dying to stupid things even if they have ability to advance and even win tournaments against Koreans.
It's called going full foreigner, Serral, for some reason, is immune to it
I think it has a lot to do with Serral's style. He's not only better than any foreigner (minus Reynor on some days), he's normally playing a very reactive and flexible style. He's also not afraid of going to the late game, some zerg players refuse to do that and headbutt into superior armies, which can work (Lambo did it just a few hours ago), but is very fragile.
I think it has a lot to do with just general mentality, Stephano had a good mentality as well
On February 26 2020 03:10 Legan wrote: I feel that Serral was spot on with saying that foreigners keep dying to stupid things even if they have ability to advance and even win tournaments against Koreans.
It's called going full foreigner, Serral, for some reason, is immune to it
I think it has a lot to do with Serral's style. He's not only better than any foreigner (minus Reynor on some days), he's normally playing a very reactive and flexible style. He's also not afraid of going to the late game, some zerg players refuse to do that and headbutt into superior armies, which can work (Lambo did it just a few hours ago), but is very fragile.
I think it has a lot to do with just general mentality, Stephano had a good mentality as well
I have seen it go two ways. Either you do not have confidence in playing standard game and try doing something that you would not do normally, or you have confidence and then stumble on something causing massive self doubt or lost of composure and struggle to get back into the game.
On February 26 2020 03:10 Legan wrote: I feel that Serral was spot on with saying that foreigners keep dying to stupid things even if they have ability to advance and even win tournaments against Koreans.
It's called going full foreigner, Serral, for some reason, is immune to it
He's the only one who plays like he's the better player while he actually is.
On February 26 2020 03:40 Penev wrote: uthermal is playing well but it just feels like it's not going t be enough
how is ZvT currently, are terrans right to complain about the match up?
I haven't seen many Terran but the usual Twitch chat whiners complain about TvZ, honestly. Ragnarok's ZvT can be world class, he even 4-0d Cure in Wardi TV's tournament final.
On February 26 2020 03:43 Waxangel wrote: Yo wtf is he doing going to twitch for the match
DQ that fucking shit
No seriously. I love Rag, but if that's true, that game is forfeit 100%. WTF.
Did the camera actually pan to him on it or were the casters joking?
Camera was on him as he opened twitch and was about to click on the sc2 section, but there was nothing to see obviously, since the camera was on him and then the casters, even if he opened the main stream.
So nothing happened thankfully, but should still get a warning.
My guess is he just wanted to check the viewership.
Kinda dodgy for sure, feel like the rules should be stricter on that just cos if Ragnarok even just sees a supply count or where his army is, that's too much info.
On February 26 2020 03:43 Waxangel wrote: Yo wtf is he doing going to twitch for the match
DQ that fucking shit
No seriously. I love Rag, but if that's true, that game is forfeit 100%. WTF.
Did the camera actually pan to him on it or were the casters joking?
Camera was on him as he opened twitch and was about to click on the sc2 section, but there was nothing to see obviously, since the camera was on him and then the casters, even if he opened the main stream.
So nothing happened thankfully, but should still get a warning.
My guess is he just wanted to check the viewership.
it cut to another shot before we could see what he was going to look at
should review the footage from that camera and warn or DQ
On February 26 2020 03:43 Waxangel wrote: Yo wtf is he doing going to twitch for the match
DQ that fucking shit
No seriously. I love Rag, but if that's true, that game is forfeit 100%. WTF.
Did the camera actually pan to him on it or were the casters joking?
Camera was on him as he opened twitch and was about to click on the sc2 section, but there was nothing to see obviously, since the camera was on him and then the casters, even if he opened the main stream.
So nothing happened thankfully, but should still get a warning.
My guess is he just wanted to check the viewership.
it cut to another shot before we could see what he was going to look at
should review the footage from that camera and warn or DQ
Problem is that the tournament is organized by a Brit and British VAR is shit
On February 26 2020 03:43 Waxangel wrote: Yo wtf is he doing going to twitch for the match
DQ that fucking shit
No seriously. I love Rag, but if that's true, that game is forfeit 100%. WTF.
Did the camera actually pan to him on it or were the casters joking?
Camera was on him as he opened twitch and was about to click on the sc2 section, but there was nothing to see obviously, since the camera was on him and then the casters, even if he opened the main stream.
So nothing happened thankfully, but should still get a warning.
My guess is he just wanted to check the viewership.
it cut to another shot before we could see what he was going to look at
should review the footage from that camera and warn or DQ
Yeah true, they should definitely check what he saw.
On February 26 2020 03:43 Waxangel wrote: Yo wtf is he doing going to twitch for the match
DQ that fucking shit
No seriously. I love Rag, but if that's true, that game is forfeit 100%. WTF.
Did the camera actually pan to him on it or were the casters joking?
Camera was on him as he opened twitch and was about to click on the sc2 section, but there was nothing to see obviously, since the camera was on him and then the casters, even if he opened the main stream.
So nothing happened thankfully, but should still get a warning.
My guess is he just wanted to check the viewership.
it cut to another shot before we could see what he was going to look at
should review the footage from that camera and warn or DQ
Problem is that the tournament is organized by a Brit and British VAR is shit
Ragnarok was just checking to see if the main stream was actually going to show games today. I've had it running in the background all day and it feels like it's either analysis or break the whole time. I hope they focus more on casting games in the future.
On February 26 2020 04:08 BisuDagger wrote: Ragnarok was just checking to see if the main stream was actually going to show games today. I've had it running in the background all day and it feels like it's either analysis or break the whole time. I hope they focus more on casting games in the future.
On February 26 2020 04:08 BisuDagger wrote: Ragnarok was just checking to see if the main stream was actually going to show games today. I've had it running in the background all day and it feels like it's either analysis or break the whole time. I hope they focus more on casting games in the future.
Same. I can only watch off esl youtube live stream and theres only 1 stream on there (the main one). Pretty frustrating with all the down time today.
On February 26 2020 04:08 BisuDagger wrote: Ragnarok was just checking to see if the main stream was actually going to show games today. I've had it running in the background all day and it feels like it's either analysis or break the whole time. I hope they focus more on casting games in the future.
Same. I can only watch off esl youtube live stream and theres only 1 stream on there (the main one). Pretty frustrating with all the down time today.
Things have definitely slowed down in the later stages of the bracket. ESL saves all qualifier matches for the A stream, so none of the B, C, or community casters are allowed to provide any coverage once each bracket reaches its zenith. Technical difficulties on-site here at the end do gum up the works a bit. But - first system with this coverage system. Hopefully it will be reviewed for next time, as some early-bracket games went unclaimed also.
On February 26 2020 04:08 BisuDagger wrote: Ragnarok was just checking to see if the main stream was actually going to show games today. I've had it running in the background all day and it feels like it's either analysis or break the whole time. I hope they focus more on casting games in the future.
look, given that it would be the stupidest way to cheat, I think it's pretty unlikely it was anything malicious
however the admins SHOULD 100% do their due diligence, investigate, and make whatever ruling is appropriate--whether it's a slap on the wrist or whatever--or why do we even have admins?
On February 26 2020 04:08 BisuDagger wrote: Ragnarok was just checking to see if the main stream was actually going to show games today. I've had it running in the background all day and it feels like it's either analysis or break the whole time. I hope they focus more on casting games in the future.
look, given that it would be the stupidest way to cheat, I think it's pretty unlikely it was anything malicious
HOWEVER the admins should 100% do their due diligence, investigate, and make whatever ruling is appropriate (whether it's a slap on the wrist or whatever)
Agreed, 100%. No matter what the intent was, players should know better than that.
On February 26 2020 04:28 Musicus wrote: at least Grubby is streaming sc2
he switched back after the reforged debacle?
Just for now until they implement a real ladder and uncapped MMR and stuff in reforged. His ping on Netease sucks and bnet is boring and has disconnects/ping problems right now.
On February 26 2020 04:32 MarianoSC2 wrote: Finally I have some more time to watch. 20 mins and no SC2 so far... Is this like that all tournament or are they having issues?
Tech issues on uThermal's PC. It was supposed to just be switching the SSD, but at the speed we're going switching the SSD seems to include building a new PC around it.
On February 26 2020 04:32 MarianoSC2 wrote: Finally I have some more time to watch. 20 mins and no SC2 so far... Is this like that all tournament or are they having issues?
They are having issues. So far, there have been long breaks but that was due to the overall schedule. They wanted to have the big games on the main stream, so breaks were longer if the b- and c-stream games took longer.
On February 26 2020 04:40 virpi wrote: Damn, it's 2012 all over again. Long downtimes, brostep... When will Naniwa play his match?
I don't know, but I hope they get Day9 to cast the final match, as long as it's not with Tastless, the huge brotherly rivalry between them really show in their cast togheter, so much tension.
On February 26 2020 04:59 Andi_Goldberger wrote: Wolf became famous for posting pictures of really good looking food so hes basically turned into a food blogger over there lmao
hey mate what you been up to since winning all that ski jumping stuff back in the day?
On February 26 2020 04:59 Andi_Goldberger wrote: Wolf became famous for posting pictures of really good looking food so hes basically turned into a food blogger over there lmao
On February 26 2020 04:59 Andi_Goldberger wrote: Wolf became famous for posting pictures of really good looking food so hes basically turned into a food blogger over there lmao
Isn't this something for you Schelim?
actually, i love eating, i love cooking, i love cooking for other people, but i'm not really up on foodbloggers and stuff. basically never take pics of the food i make either unless i wanna entice a chick into a dinner at home date
On February 26 2020 04:51 Musicus wrote: I love how Wolf has become bigger than any other sc2 caster in Korea.
He tweets something in Korean about what he is eating and gets thousands of likes :D.
wtf? what made him so big?
Overwatch.
He does seem significantly more popular than the other Overwatch casters though.
He actually has a huge Korean following, both for Korean-language learners and Koreans interested in a foreigner melding into the Korean lifestyle. He does all of his videos mostly in Korean, and he is considered to be a high-level speaker. If you go to any of his videos, all of the comments are in Korean.
On February 26 2020 05:13 Schelim wrote: it's uthermal who sometimes does that mech build with a bunch of Thors in TvP that dies every time, right? let's see if he does that here too
it also wins sometimes but yeah i hope he doesn't try and do that.
i like his 1/1/1 build with the bunkers at the third, he's being doing it a lot in TvP with good success. There's also that 2 base BC build which is a pretty good meme
On February 26 2020 05:52 Z3nith wrote: why did he gg there??
He was losing his expensive army and he lost a lot of economy. If Trap just keeps warping in offensively thermy won't be able to clean up, Trap would just snowball.
so does anyone have any idea why he does this build?
Harstem expressed his bewilderment in one of the myriad of tournaments Wardi casted recently. he said something like he does this against him (Harstem) as well and that's great because it always dies
i know Thors are pretty good and all but i see no real reason to just build a bunch of those dudes when you could have a bio army or at least a mech army that makes fucking sense.
On February 26 2020 05:55 Schelim wrote: so does anyone have any idea why he does this build?
Harstem expressed his bewilderment in one of the myriad of tournaments Wardi casted recently. he said something like he does this against him (Harstem) as well and that's great because it always dies
i know Thors are pretty good and all but i see no real reason to just build a bunch of those dudes when you could have a bio army or at least a mech army that makes fucking sense.
Maybe he dislikes something about standard TvP, it really looks like a very strange build. Basically, he's heavily relying on doing major eco damage to even get the build going. To make Thors work he needs a sick economy advantage, otherwise P can too easily outmuscle / outflank him.
But I'm not a terran GM, so I have no idea what I am talking about. Maybe he sees something nobody else sees and just can't make it work.
On February 26 2020 05:55 Musicus wrote: Kinda sad for TL after the new players hype and everything :/
But Trap definitely deserves to be at the main event.
All that new player hype and thermy was still their best and brightest
The hype was mostly on Clem who showed great results online. Uthermal did too, but he's way more experienced! The Schlapper deserved a ro24 spot but certainly not at the expense of Trap, whose PvT is on another level.
Would have loved a format with a "wild card" spot from the 4th place finishers in each bracket, because each of the players eliminated in that spot could make a case for being in the RO24. Maybe reserving 1 spot in the RO24 group stage for this wild card, where they do a round-robin group with Heromarine/Impact/Nice/Uthermal to see who advances, and place them in the group with the strongest seeds.
On February 26 2020 06:05 vult wrote: Would have loved a format with a "wild card" spot from the 4th place finishers in each bracket, because each of the players eliminated in that spot could make a case for being in the RO24. Maybe reserving 1 spot in the RO24 group stage for this wild card, where they do a round-robin group with Heromarine/Impact/Nice/Uthermal to see who advances, and place them in the group with the strongest seeds.
would be something to do on Wednesday, which for some reason has no games
On February 26 2020 06:07 Sif_ wrote: I had no idea tomorrow was an off day!
yeah it's that and the kinda anticlimactic finals day that are up for improvement for this tourney, the rest is great though.
I don't mind the gap day - allows for players to properly prepare for their opponents especially after a grueling day, and it makes it more fair to players who had to play today because otherwise they'd immediately have to jump into groups tomorrow, while players who played on day 1 are already guaranteed a break day.
On February 26 2020 06:08 Elentos wrote: Also sOs makes group D kinda awkard.
He makes every group kinda awkward. But imagine him being in group A alongside Has and Parting.
That group is mostly Protoss anyway, sOs doesn't change anything there. But as a former teammate of Cure he really opens up the fight for top 3 something fierce.
1 out of 7 Terrans managed to sneak into the Ro12 last year. Truly a disgrace, letting him get that far.
But this year there are only 5, so I have the utmost confidence that the mistake will not be repeated.Terrans will be completely exterminated by the Ro12.
On February 26 2020 07:39 Xain0n wrote: Whining before the tournament has even started! That's something only Terran could do.
Qualifiers are just as relevant as the tournament for balance statements. It's way more games with almost the same skill level of players. Terran is always under represented in everything for years now.
On February 26 2020 07:39 Xain0n wrote: Whining before the tournament has even started! That's something only Terran could do.
Qualifiers are just as relevant as the tournament for balance statements. It's way more games with almost the same skill level of players. Terran is always under represented in everything for years now.
It is known that the other races, especially zerg, simply have the more talented players. If serral played terran he'd find an equivalent for speed overlords to always scout perfectly and one for queens to defend anything no matter what build one chose. He would inspire other foreign terrans and tournaments would be tvt fests. True story.
On February 26 2020 07:39 Xain0n wrote: Whining before the tournament has even started! That's something only Terran could do.
Qualifiers are just as relevant as the tournament for balance statements. It's way more games with almost the same skill level of players. Terran is always under represented in everything for years now.
It is known that the other races, especially zerg, simply have the more talented players. If serral played terran he'd find an equivalent for speed overlords to always scout perfectly and one for queens to defend anything no matter what build one chose. He would inspire other foreign terrans and tournaments would be tvt fests. True story.
In fairness I mean, Trap, sOs, Dear etc are all pretty good.
Doesn’t really help the Terran cause that Dream and Taeja didn’t travel either.
On February 26 2020 07:39 Xain0n wrote: Whining before the tournament has even started! That's something only Terran could do.
Qualifiers are just as relevant as the tournament for balance statements. It's way more games with almost the same skill level of players. Terran is always under represented in everything for years now.
It is known that the other races, especially zerg, simply have the more talented players. If serral played terran he'd find an equivalent for speed overlords to always scout perfectly and one for queens to defend anything no matter what build one chose. He would inspire other foreign terrans and tournaments would be tvt fests. True story.
On February 26 2020 07:39 Xain0n wrote: Whining before the tournament has even started! That's something only Terran could do.
Qualifiers are just as relevant as the tournament for balance statements. It's way more games with almost the same skill level of players. Terran is always under represented in everything for years now.
It is known that the other races, especially zerg, simply have the more talented players. If serral played terran he'd find an equivalent for speed overlords to always scout perfectly and one for queens to defend anything no matter what build one chose. He would inspire other foreign terrans and tournaments would be tvt fests. True story.
On February 26 2020 07:39 Xain0n wrote: Whining before the tournament has even started! That's something only Terran could do.
Qualifiers are just as relevant as the tournament for balance statements. It's way more games with almost the same skill level of players. Terran is always under represented in everything for years now.
It is known that the other races, especially zerg, simply have the more talented players. If serral played terran he'd find an equivalent for speed overlords to always scout perfectly and one for queens to defend anything no matter what build one chose. He would inspire other foreign terrans and tournaments would be tvt fests. True story.
Scans and Cyclones
‘We’ve been listening to feedback from the community Terran more options in scouting for when they don’t have scan energy or have just Manner-Muled.
We’d like to experiment by adding a new upgrade, researchable on a supply-dropped depot called ‘Enhanced Structure Thrusters’ at the cost of 50/0. This will increase a floating building’s movement speed to the same as an observer that hasn’t had its own speed upgrade researched.
It will also increase the speed buildings lift off and land and we hope this will open new timing windows by making add-on swaps faster.’
On February 26 2020 07:39 Xain0n wrote: Whining before the tournament has even started! That's something only Terran could do.
Qualifiers are just as relevant as the tournament for balance statements. It's way more games with almost the same skill level of players. Terran is always under represented in everything for years now.
They were underrepresented from the start tho, I mean,there are less pro terran than zerg/toss atm. And your statement is false, Risky, Razerblade, Vindicta, Marsman, Pappijoe, Zipper, Awers are playing alongside players like soO, Trap, Innovation, ptitdrogo, Clem, Ragnarok ext which makes it totally unfair as the skill difference is huge. We end up with terran having 63% winrate in 27 games against zerg. I am pretty sure you'll agree it doesn't mean much.
Edit : unless you're talking about online qualifiers Then screw me
I'd probably include the offline qualifiers in the stats. All the players are good, and some are better than other, but all in all it's a good representation of balance.
We should wait until the tournaments actually over, though. This is the first big tournament on the patch, so you can't just disregard it because Pappijoe exists, that's ridiculous.
On February 26 2020 23:50 InfCereal wrote: I'd probably include the offline qualifiers in the stats. All the players are good, and some are better than other, but all in all it's a good representation of balance.
We should wait until the tournaments actually over, though. This is the first big tournament on the patch, so you can't just disregard it because Pappijoe exists, that's ridiculous.
On February 26 2020 07:39 Xain0n wrote: Whining before the tournament has even started! That's something only Terran could do.
Qualifiers are just as relevant as the tournament for balance statements. It's way more games with almost the same skill level of players. Terran is always under represented in everything for years now.
It is known that the other races, especially zerg, simply have the more talented players. If serral played terran he'd find an equivalent for speed overlords to always scout perfectly and one for queens to defend anything no matter what build one chose. He would inspire other foreign terrans and tournaments would be tvt fests. True story.
Scans and Cyclones
‘We’ve been listening to feedback from the community Terran more options in scouting for when they don’t have scan energy or have just Manner-Muled.
We’d like to experiment by adding a new upgrade, researchable on a supply-dropped depot called ‘Enhanced Structure Thrusters’ at the cost of 50/0. This will increase a floating building’s movement speed to the same as an observer that hasn’t had its own speed upgrade researched.
It will also increase the speed buildings lift off and land and we hope this will open new timing windows by making add-on swaps faster.’
If you really think about it:
Terran can build a proxy rax somewhere and easily scout with it vs P/Z cause both have lackluckster AA in the first minutes of a game. And it's cheaper than mule
On February 26 2020 07:39 Xain0n wrote: Whining before the tournament has even started! That's something only Terran could do.
Qualifiers are just as relevant as the tournament for balance statements. It's way more games with almost the same skill level of players. Terran is always under represented in everything for years now.
It is known that the other races, especially zerg, simply have the more talented players. If serral played terran he'd find an equivalent for speed overlords to always scout perfectly and one for queens to defend anything no matter what build one chose. He would inspire other foreign terrans and tournaments would be tvt fests. True story.
Scans and Cyclones
‘We’ve been listening to feedback from the community Terran more options in scouting for when they don’t have scan energy or have just Manner-Muled.
We’d like to experiment by adding a new upgrade, researchable on a supply-dropped depot called ‘Enhanced Structure Thrusters’ at the cost of 50/0. This will increase a floating building’s movement speed to the same as an observer that hasn’t had its own speed upgrade researched.
It will also increase the speed buildings lift off and land and we hope this will open new timing windows by making add-on swaps faster.’
If you really think about it:
Terran can build a proxy rax somewhere and easily scout with it vs P/Z cause both have lackluckster AA in the first minutes of a game. And it's cheaper than mule
Is it cheaper if you add the SCV time for which it's not mining?
On February 26 2020 07:39 Xain0n wrote: Whining before the tournament has even started! That's something only Terran could do.
Qualifiers are just as relevant as the tournament for balance statements. It's way more games with almost the same skill level of players. Terran is always under represented in everything for years now.
It is known that the other races, especially zerg, simply have the more talented players. If serral played terran he'd find an equivalent for speed overlords to always scout perfectly and one for queens to defend anything no matter what build one chose. He would inspire other foreign terrans and tournaments would be tvt fests. True story.
Scans and Cyclones
‘We’ve been listening to feedback from the community Terran more options in scouting for when they don’t have scan energy or have just Manner-Muled.
We’d like to experiment by adding a new upgrade, researchable on a supply-dropped depot called ‘Enhanced Structure Thrusters’ at the cost of 50/0. This will increase a floating building’s movement speed to the same as an observer that hasn’t had its own speed upgrade researched.
It will also increase the speed buildings lift off and land and we hope this will open new timing windows by making add-on swaps faster.’
If you really think about it:
Terran can build a proxy rax somewhere and easily scout with it vs P/Z cause both have lackluckster AA in the first minutes of a game. And it's cheaper than mule
Is it cheaper if you add the SCV time for which it's not mining?
Probably. If only for the reason that you can use it multiple times (or at least longer than a scan would last)
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