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BasetradeTV
Canada1307 Posts
Showmatches Oct 26th - 5:00PM PDT / 8:00PM EDT $100 Future vs Disk BO7 $100 Puck vs TBD BO7 $200 EU Invitational Oct 27th - 5:00PM PDT / 8:00PM EDT (3 hours before WCS) RO8:  GunGFuBanDa vs  Minato Gerald vs DnS  souL vs 3DBeeBly vs Denver Oct 28th - 5:00PM PDT / 8:00PM EDT EU Invitational Playoffs Prize Split: 100/50/25/25 https://www.twitch.tv/basetradetv | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19235 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25278 Posts
On October 25 2019 02:05 BisuDagger wrote: Could you please explain what you would do if you were at Blizzcon? Is this just a gofundme so you can hang out at Blizzcon or would you be involved in the production of some sort of content? I think adding some detail here would really help motivate people to donate. :D What he said. | ||
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DrunkenSCV
76 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4943 Posts
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`dunedain
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BasetradeTV
Canada1307 Posts
All the match days have been shifted +1 day *NEW* 28th -> 5:00PM PDT "Get Rifkin to Blizzcon" RO8 29th -> 5:00PM PDT "Get Rifkin to Blizzcon" Playoffs | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Profits beyond what I need to get to Blizzcon will be used to send me to Blizzcon next year | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5502 Posts
On October 28 2019 09:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'll auction off my weekend to the highest bidder. Send me a dollar to play SC2 on stream. Then someone else sends me slighly more to play BW. Then someone else sends me even more to play chess. Then someone else sends me even more to play cards with my dog. All proceeds go towards sending me to Blizzcon Profits beyond what I need to get to Blizzcon will be used to send me to Blizzcon next year Where do I donate? | ||
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Darkness2k11
Chile313 Posts
What he said Indeed, this post should state what he hopes to do at Blizzcon... interviews?, videos?, something?... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25278 Posts
On October 28 2019 11:43 Darkness2k11 wrote: Indeed, this post should state what he hopes to do at Blizzcon... interviews?, videos?, something?... It’s the mystery box of things to pledge for | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
On October 28 2019 11:43 Darkness2k11 wrote: Indeed, this post should state what he hopes to do at Blizzcon... interviews?, videos?, something?... So he can have a good time. Trying out WoW, Diablo Immortal, hanging out with the casters and other sc players, you know, regular stuff a person would do at Blizzcon. Only difference is this would be funded by the fans. | ||
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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BasetradeTV
Canada1307 Posts
Before I even begin to address this thread, I'd like to remind you that not a single person is obligated to donate, or contribute. I'm honestly quite confused as to what everyone is upset about. On October 25 2019 02:05 BisuDagger wrote: Could you please explain what you would do if you were at Blizzcon? Is this just a gofundme so you can hang out at Blizzcon or would you be involved in the production of some sort of content? I think adding some detail here would really help motivate people to donate. :D I would just be attending. I plan to meet and hang out with fans, tweet some pictures, as I do every blizzcon, but there is no promise of any kind other than putting on showmatches & an 8 man invitational event leading up to it. On October 25 2019 14:23 DrunkenSCV wrote: Sorry, maybe it's just me, but I find it a bit offensive that the guy who addresses to sc2 community "get me to blizzcon" plays WoW during group B matches at blizzcon. It's your right to feel offended, as it is my right to stream and play whatever games I want. It's also, in my personal opinion, very stupid for you to feel offended over this. My life doesn't cease to exist because WCS is on. On October 26 2019 02:53 `dunedain wrote: My favorite part of this post is how he refers to himself in the third person. I am not BaseTradeTV the company, in every literal, financial and physical way, I work for BaseTradeTV. On October 28 2019 12:07 phodacbiet wrote: So he can have a good time. Trying out WoW, Diablo Immortal, hanging out with the casters and other sc players, you know, regular stuff a person would do at Blizzcon. Only difference is this would be funded by the fans. Yes, due to circumstances that have come up throughout the year, I haven't been able to attend a single event, thus haven't seen any friends, got the chance to hang out or talk with players, etc. On October 28 2019 14:09 .gypsy wrote: This is ridiculous lmfao. Which part, hosting Starcraft 2 tournaments for years, constantly & transparently fundraising money for everyone else exept myself or the part where I needed some help financially for once? Haha, I'm poor. On October 28 2019 14:18 johnnywup wrote: I can't even imagine having the audacity to try this. So much self-importance lol. I guess no harm in trying to get yourself a paid trip to blizzcon but lol You might want to work on your imagination then, because it worked. My flight was fully funded on Day 0 (Not streaming any Starcraft 2). Regardless, I will still be hosting and commentating the rest of this tournament, so if you can get over your own projections of self-importance, maybe you could enjoy some of the games, especially since we have some pretty awesome players lined up for the RO8. GunGFuBanDa vs Minato Gerald vs DnS souL vs 3DBeeBly vs Denver Thanks for reading, see you guys in 16.5 hours! | ||
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wslkgmlk
Australia38 Posts
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VictorNattier
4 Posts
On October 28 2019 17:44 wslkgmlk wrote: Just sounds like an e-begpacker to me. Exactly what it is ! Well, good travel i guess... | ||
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Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
The only thing that could be better would be shifting the focus of the post from his travel to the tournaments, that's it. Everything else is not different from the other content-creators: I offer you content and games, you pay me if you feel like it. Some people... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25278 Posts
On October 28 2019 16:21 BasetradeTV wrote: Hello everyone, this is me addressing this thread as Rifkin, using the BaseTradeTV TL account since I don't have one of my own (well, I do, but i can't find the email attached to the account to recover the password). The views and comments I'm about to express do not reflect on the company as a whole, and should not be used to represent BaseTradeTV. Before I even begin to address this thread, I'd like to remind you that not a single person is obligated to donate, or contribute. I'm honestly quite confused as to what everyone is upset about. I would just be attending. I plan to meet and hang out with fans, tweet some pictures, as I do every blizzcon, but there is no promise of any kind other than putting on showmatches & an 8 man invitational event leading up to it. It's your right to feel offended, as it is my right to stream and play whatever games I want. It's also, in my personal opinion, very stupid for you to feel offended over this. My life doesn't cease to exist because WCS is on. I am not BaseTradeTV the company, in every literal, financial and physical way, I work for BaseTradeTV. Yes, due to circumstances that have come up throughout the year, I haven't been able to attend a single event, thus haven't seen any friends, got the chance to hang out or talk with players, etc. Which part, hosting Starcraft 2 tournaments for years, constantly & transparently fundraising money for everyone else exept myself or the part where I needed some help financially for once? Haha, I'm poor. You might want to work on your imagination then, because it worked. My flight was fully funded on Day 0 (Not streaming any Starcraft 2). Regardless, I will still be hosting and commentating the rest of this tournament, so if you can get over your own projections of self-importance, maybe you could enjoy some of the games, especially since we have some pretty awesome players lined up for the RO8. GunGFuBanDa vs Minato Gerald vs DnS souL vs 3DBeeBly vs Denver Thanks for reading, see you guys in 16.5 hours! You wouldn’t have had to address half of this if you’d bothered to put some of it in the OP to begin with. In the complete absence of any information whatsoever why are you surprised with some of the reactions here? | ||
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Justinian
United Kingdom158 Posts
On October 28 2019 20:57 Elmonti wrote: Jesus... So basically BasetradeTV offered us showmatches and a little tournament played by pretty good pros so we can enjoy with absolutely no obligation to donate or sub or anything, and tell us that every tip would be going to pay the staff for his personal stuff... something that EVERY streamer does. The only thing that could be better would be shifting the focus of the post from his travel to the tournaments, that's it. Everything else is not different from the other content-creators: I offer you content and games, you pay me if you feel like it. Some people... I agree, he's not doing anything wrong here and some people are being unnecessarily hostile. He's entitled to put funds raised towards whatever he wants, so long as it's clear when people contribute what it'll be used for. I do think it would have been better if the original post had been clearer that he was not going to be producing content at Blizzcon. Currently it leaves open the possibility that he would be, which may have led to some of the confusion. He has now clarified this in his subsequent post. If people don't want to contribute, they don't have to. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On October 28 2019 23:12 Wombat_NI wrote: You wouldn’t have had to address half of this if you’d bothered to put some of it in the OP to begin with. In the complete absence of any information whatsoever why are you surprised with some of the reactions here? I mean....I personally just tried not to associate any negative motivations to Rifkin, and I didn't have any of these reactions. I did think the lack of information was kind of strange, so I'll admit it was nice that he clarified things. It was pretty simple to me. He wants to go to Blizzcon, so he needs money, so he hosts a tournament and streams to get money. I suppose the only difference is he's doing it on the fan's dollar, but then a lot of streamers do the same thing. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
it would have been better if you'd title the thread/title differently. you literally get half the flak if you just make it clear somewhere that this is where the donations go towards, but outside of a pretty crappy OP. it takes the some amount of effort. either way, congrats and good luck. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
i don't know of any other community caster or organizer who has repeatedly done this stuff, he is the common factor and it's his own fault | ||
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Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
On October 29 2019 04:18 brickrd wrote: the main reason people are reacting this way is because rifkin has a long history of doing exactly what he's doing in this thread. he does something questionable, people criticize him, and then instead of ignoring the criticism or handling it like an adult he writes these salty novels about how it's an outrage that he's being criticized and he does so much for the scene etc. etc i don't know of any other community caster or organizer who has repeatedly done this stuff, he is the common factor and it's his own fault The thing is he didn't do anything questionable now, so people shouldn't criticize in first place. And I know how he behaves/ed, but that doesn't mean you can do it no matter what he does. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25278 Posts
On October 29 2019 04:18 brickrd wrote: the main reason people are reacting this way is because rifkin has a long history of doing exactly what he's doing in this thread. he does something questionable, people criticize him, and then instead of ignoring the criticism or handling it like an adult he writes these salty novels about how it's an outrage that he's being criticized and he does so much for the scene etc. etc i don't know of any other community caster or organizer who has repeatedly done this stuff, he is the common factor and it's his own fault Despite floating around the scene for a long time, haven’t really encountered a huge amount of Rifkin outside of BasetradeTV casts, all I know is his responses mildly irked me for exactly the reasons you outlined. Something tonally like ‘Hey guys, would love to go to Blizzcon for x reasons but can’t afford it, I’m throwing this tournament and tips would fund my trip, would be awesome if you folks could help out’ is 100% fine to my sensibilities. Getting salty at basic, basic questions to an OP that had NO information in it whatsoever and pulling the ‘I give so much to the scene’ is just, irritating. Well to me anyway. So do many people, some of them for free. Fair play that fans have helped you make the trip, Basetrade have put out tons of good content over the years. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On October 29 2019 05:07 Wombat_NI wrote: Despite floating around the scene for a long time, haven’t really encountered a huge amount of Rifkin outside of BasetradeTV casts, all I know is his responses mildly irked me for exactly the reasons you outlined. Something tonally like ‘Hey guys, would love to go to Blizzcon for x reasons but can’t afford it, I’m throwing this tournament and tips would fund my trip, would be awesome if you folks could help out’ is 100% fine to my sensibilities. Getting salty at basic, basic questions to an OP that had NO information in it whatsoever and pulling the ‘I give so much to the scene’ is just, irritating. Well to me anyway. So do many people, some of them for free. Fair play that fans have helped you make the trip, Basetrade have put out tons of good content over the years. I'm always shock when BTTV "scandals"/ controversies pop up, it's like their is an entire world within the Starcraft scene that I am completely removed off and is deeply interested in the behind the scene functioning of online tournament Starcraft/streaming and of the state of the inter-personal relations between people this sphere. Feels weird to pass half your free time doing Starcraft stuff and somehow get blindside by things that dozens of people are aware off while you don't have a clue about them. Anyway this one is pretty straight foward, give money to Rifkin or don't whatever, it's like streamer having a progress bar to building a new pc. | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On October 29 2019 05:07 Wombat_NI wrote: Despite floating around the scene for a long time, haven’t really encountered a huge amount of Rifkin outside of BasetradeTV casts, all I know is his responses mildly irked me for exactly the reasons you outlined. Something tonally like ‘Hey guys, would love to go to Blizzcon for x reasons but can’t afford it, I’m throwing this tournament and tips would fund my trip, would be awesome if you folks could help out’ is 100% fine to my sensibilities. Getting salty at basic, basic questions to an OP that had NO information in it whatsoever and pulling the ‘I give so much to the scene’ is just, irritating. Well to me anyway. So do many people, some of them for free. Fair play that fans have helped you make the trip, Basetrade have put out tons of good content over the years. The community doesn't like rifkin. This barebones post was probably the best idea. Hell, he probably should have just left out that he was raising money for blizzcon. | ||
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Splynn
United States225 Posts
On October 29 2019 06:31 InfCereal wrote: The community doesn't like rifkin. This barebones post was probably the best idea. Hell, he probably should have just left out that he was raising money for blizzcon. If he did that, there would be outrage when people found out that he was using the events to fund his trip. Sometimes the BTTV drama is legit. This time it's so tame that it feels like people are picking a fight for no reason. | ||
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ChinClassic
19 Posts
So are you producing content or not? I am sincerely confused. | ||
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necrosexy
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On October 29 2019 07:38 necrosexy wrote: what is the "goal" precisely in $ ? Last I checked, the goal on his stream was $1300, and he had raised $1400. This VOD was from over two days ago. | ||
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ElehpantZ
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dragoon
United States695 Posts
On October 29 2019 10:38 ElehpantZ wrote: can anyone tell me why people are all criticizing him? I thought it's common sense for streamers to raise money to do his or her deeds. ppl like to REEEEEEEEEEE!!!, aint nothin new | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25278 Posts
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BasetradeTV
Canada1307 Posts
On October 29 2019 11:19 Wombat_NI wrote: Maybe post an OP with such novel concepts as ‘information’ in it and people wouldn’t ‘ree’? What more would you have liked for it to include? | ||
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Unnamed Player
Australia89 Posts
On October 29 2019 12:23 BasetradeTV wrote: What more would you have liked for it to include? I would have thought something like is any of your time there going to be streamed back to yours or others channels. If so what sort of content are you looking to stream. Basically an explanation of what people would be getting for their money so they could make an informed decision as to whether they wanted to donate at all or how much. So for example if this was to send you there so you could enjoy yourself on a personal level, i wouldn't donate. However if there was going to be stuff i could watch that would interest me then i would consider it. | ||
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BasetradeTV
Canada1307 Posts
On October 29 2019 12:57 Unnamed Player wrote: I would have thought something like is any of your time there going to be streamed back to yours or others channels. If so what sort of content are you looking to stream. Basically an explanation of what people would be getting for their money so they could make an informed decision as to whether they wanted to donate at all or how much. So for example if this was to send you there so you could enjoy yourself on a personal level, i wouldn't donate. However if there was going to be stuff i could watch that would interest me then i would consider it. You should expect nothing other than the games promised to be cast. | ||
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DSh1
292 Posts
Definitely could have been formulated better. But also people are just provoking because they dislike him. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On October 24 2019 11:06 BasetradeTV wrote: The goal of these events is to raise money to send Rifkin to Blizzcon. If the goals aren't met, any funds raised will either be used to help offset the cost of travel, or be pledged towards future events, so it's a win-win either way. As a donator you should expect nothing other than the games below that I promise to be cast. Showmatches Oct 26th - 5:00PM PDT / 8:00PM EDT $100 Future vs Disk BO7 $100 Puck vs TBD BO7 $200 EU Invitational Oct 27th - 5:00PM PDT / 8:00PM EDT (3 hours before WCS) RO8: GunGFuBanDa vs Minato Gerald vs DnS souL vs 3DBeeBly vs Denver Oct 28th - 5:00PM PDT / 8:00PM EDT EU Invitational Playoffs Prize Split: 100/50/25/25 https://www.twitch.tv/basetradetv Fixed your post for you given everyone's responses. Looks quite beautiful. Looking forward to seeing that relevant information in the OP. + Show Spoiler + this is already over though, so idk why people even care tbh tho. as others said it's basically a fundraiser stream widget post just came across really poorly lol | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25278 Posts
On October 31 2019 10:50 Bagration wrote: Sc2 controversy is clearly astro-turfed by Liquid Nazgul using smurf accounts to increase website activity and thread posts. /s Careful now you don’t want to end up like Jeffrey Epstein | ||
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Pentarp
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vyzion87
17 Posts
On October 28 2019 20:57 Elmonti wrote: Jesus... So basically BasetradeTV offered us showmatches and a little tournament played by pretty good pros so we can enjoy with absolutely no obligation to donate or sub or anything, and tell us that every tip would be going to pay the staff for his personal stuff... something that EVERY streamer does. The only thing that could be better would be shifting the focus of the post from his travel to the tournaments, that's it. Everything else is not different from the other content-creators: I offer you content and games, you pay me if you feel like it. Some people... this, the whiners in this thread are so petty. pathetic bunch | ||
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that_one_danny
7 Posts
If you, as a privat person, want to go to an event, you should pay with your own private money. Except of course, you work there as a content creator, player,... which isnt the case here. I literally played thousands of games in SC2, donated to some channels, etc. (all that good sc2 human bs) but should i get a free blizzcon ticket or a free trip out of it? NO. So beeing a content creator, doesnt entitle you to anything. Also, what about that "I am not BTTV, just an employee"? You are the founder dude, you arent less BTTV than Take is TakeTV. And one last, tiny detail. If you want the SC2 community to sponsor your trip, but youd rather play/watch WoW instead of SC2 global finals, you shouldnt get surprised, if the hardcore fans get pissed. It just feels "ungenuine" towards SC2. Edit: Probably should have put it at the start, but hosting showmatches, casting and all that good stuff is of course a legitimate way, to collect the money, because you work hard for it. I just dont like it, when polite questions are called whining. | ||
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aringadingding
476 Posts
On October 31 2019 18:58 that_one_danny wrote: honestly, it turned into whining, when rifkin called it out as whining. Before that, people just asked, what they can expect from his blizzcon journey, even formulated it as polite as possible with smileys and stuff. And i guess, Rifkin realized, that sponsoring someones Blizzcon trip, eventhough he is a content creator, etc.. is a bit weird, which is when he started calling those legitimate questions "whining". You gave literally no follow up information. If you, as a privat person, want to go to an event, you should pay with your own private money. Except of course, you work there as a content creator, player,... which isnt the case here. I literally played thousands of games in SC2, donated to some channels, etc. (all that good sc2 human bs) but should i get a free blizzcon ticket or a free trip out of it? NO. So beeing a content creator, doesnt entitle you to anything. Also, what about that "I am not BTTV, just an employee"? You are the founder dude, you arent less BTTV than Take is TakeTV. And one last, tiny detail. If you want the SC2 community to sponsor your trip, but youd rather play/watch WoW instead of SC2 global finals, you shouldnt get surprised, if the hardcore fans get pissed. It just feels "ungenuine" towards SC2. Edit: Probably should have put it at the start, but hosting showmatches, casting and all that good stuff is of course a legitimate way, to collect the money, because you work hard for it. I just dont like it, when polite questions are called whining. Exactly! I noticed the same thing. There was no "hate" nor "hostality" whatsoever in the first quesitons that was pretty valid. And then Rifkin just couldnt handle comments that was not hyped cheering and got smug and offended etc. After that other people sighed about people being so aggressive/hostile or whatever without reading the first comments. I think the social IQ in rifkin is pretty low unfortunately (even though he (sorry basetrade) streams alot).... And people are suprised that other people get annoyed with his first post? What if Dimaga posted "i want to go to blizzcon, send me money so i can do that"... Even though he wouldnt be forcing anything on anyone, people would still react a bit negative to this begging and would make sarcastic comments, but is that hateful really? | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On October 31 2019 11:10 Wombat_NI wrote: Careful now you don’t want to end up like Jeffrey Epstein I heard Epstein was planning to write a Twitch chat meme in his statement to the juge. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25278 Posts
On November 01 2019 06:47 Nakajin wrote: I heard Epstein was planning to write a Twitch chat meme in his statement to the juge. Not the most outlandish thing I’ve heard on the topic haha | ||
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DSh1
292 Posts
On November 01 2019 05:18 aringadingding wrote: Exactly! I noticed the same thing. There was no "hate" nor "hostality" whatsoever in the first quesitons that was pretty valid. And then Rifkin just couldnt handle comments that was not hyped cheering and got smug and offended etc. After that other people sighed about people being so aggressive/hostile or whatever without reading the first comments. I think the social IQ in rifkin is pretty low unfortunately (even though he (sorry basetrade) streams alot).... And people are suprised that other people get annoyed with his first post? What if Dimaga posted "i want to go to blizzcon, send me money so i can do that"... Even though he wouldnt be forcing anything on anyone, people would still react a bit negative to this begging and would make sarcastic comments, but is that hateful really? Nah. "Could you please explain" kind of not the nicest formulation. Also the smilie at the end is at least ambiguous. Not sure exactly how it was meant, but I wouldn't interpret it nicely most of the time Also. Sure Dimaga can of course make a similar thread | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19235 Posts
On November 01 2019 09:10 DSh1 wrote: Nah. "Could you please explain" kind of not the nicest formulation. Also the smilie at the end is at least ambiguous. Not sure exactly how it was meant, but I wouldn't interpret it nicely most of the time Also. Sure Dimaga can of course make a similar thread I go well out of my way to be nice and work with everyone in this community. This was no exception. I only meant to encourage BTTV to share more information because I thought it would help since Rifkin works his ass off to provide content. It was also a courteous bump to the thread so it would give the event more exposure since no one replying meant the thread would fall off the recent posts list. There was no malice intention and I wish the thread would have stayed in a positive direction. It looks like there has been a positive result for the BTTV crew and I wish them the best. :D <---- a genuine smile!!! | ||
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DSh1
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On November 01 2019 11:32 DSh1 wrote: Of course. Not saying you had malicious intent. I meant I can see how it can be interpreted negatively. Dude wtf it was all the other way around. BD question was pretty much "dude your op sucks we know you gonna give us some juicy bits from blizzcon, come one make some better advertisment". Then the the drama... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25278 Posts
On November 01 2019 11:32 DSh1 wrote: Of course. Not saying you had malicious intent. I meant I can see how it can be interpreted negatively. Others sure but BD’s post? :S Was pretty innocuous and sensible. Regardless Rifkin has his deserved trip to Blizzcon anyway and as I stated multiple times in the thread I have no issue with funding a trip that way, but maybe communicate a bit better and less saltily respond to reasonable questions in the future. | ||
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aringadingding
476 Posts
On November 01 2019 09:10 DSh1 wrote: Nah. "Could you please explain" kind of not the nicest formulation. Also the smilie at the end is at least ambiguous. Not sure exactly how it was meant, but I wouldn't interpret it nicely most of the time Also. Sure Dimaga can of course make a similar thread Ok, maybe you and rifkin interpret a "could you please explain" and a smiley as a full frontal hate wave toward him... And my comment about Dimaga was not regarding that he could or couldnt make a similar thread but to make a point that some people might be slightly annoyed by that kind of begging, even if there is nothing wrong to do it. A different wording from rifkin would probably have steered the first comments in a different direction and that wouldnt have forced rifking to make a (poor) response etc. Either way, fun for him now that he got the money. | ||
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BasetradeTV
Canada1307 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/basetradetv/v/501855298?sr=a&t=6480s (1:48:00 of the time stamp doesn't work) | ||
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necrosexy
451 Posts
can't you just have that as a goal on stream which would be easy to attain over the course of the year? i'm just confused why you would wait at this late hour ... | ||
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mindjames
Israel322 Posts
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aringadingding
476 Posts
On November 04 2019 10:26 mindjames wrote: These comments are hilarious. How disconnected do you need to be to have a problem with a donation goal? Do you people even watch twitch? How is it possible for you to not understand comments? If you cannot grasp the essence of the comments then i feel sorry for you. People were upset with him begging for money per se. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On November 04 2019 10:26 mindjames wrote: These comments are hilarious. How disconnected do you need to be to have a problem with a donation goal? Do you people even watch twitch? Then it should have been in his own stream threads like other streamers do  | ||
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Nithala
Serbia18 Posts
On November 04 2019 16:06 aringadingding wrote: How is it possible for you to not understand comments? If you cannot grasp the essence of the comments then i feel sorry for you. People were upset with him begging for money per se. It will backlash or not to him. If he did manage to suceed, like beggars for food, why would we judge his community or him for trying. Of course, I agree with valid points of posters above. | ||
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DrunkenSCV
76 Posts
On October 28 2019 16:21 BasetradeTV wrote: It's your right to feel offended, as it is my right to stream and play whatever games I want. It's also, in my personal opinion, very stupid for you to feel offended over this. My life doesn't cease to exist because WCS is on. Well, to be precise, I meant that people who care about your stream may find it offensive. It's like "Hey, sc2 fans, I am collecting money to go to Blizzcon!" and right after that you show that you don't give any sh* at all about competitive sc2. So you want to get to Blizzcon not because of sc2, obviously. I dunno, it's all kinda weird to me. But sure, your stream is your stream etc etc. I didn't mean to tell you what to do with it or anything. | ||
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mindjames
Israel322 Posts
On November 04 2019 16:06 aringadingding wrote: How is it possible for you to not understand comments? If you cannot grasp the essence of the comments then i feel sorry for you. People were upset with him begging for money per se. Sure, let's see if I can "grasp the essence" of this: 1. If you think accepting donations (and promoting them) on live streams is begging, then you are calling 99% of twitch beggars, your favorite starcraft personas included. If you think I'm misrepresenting your opinion please enlighten me. 2. Even if I did agree that he was "begging for money", why would that upset you? Donating is a voluntary action. You're not forced to do it. Hell, you could enjoy his content without ever engaging with him, monetarily or otherwise. If you just wanna hate on a guy that's fine, just be honest. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25278 Posts
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kramvti
73 Posts
On November 05 2019 09:04 Wombat_NI wrote: Again not sure why this perception of everyone just hating on Rifkin that keeps being brought up is coming from, it’s totally disconnected from many of the actual posts in the thread. Not agreeing with someone in today's day and age is the newest form of hate speech. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On November 05 2019 09:04 Wombat_NI wrote: While it might not be "hate" per se, the reaction up until Rifkin posted clarification was not exactly positive. Let's go through and evaluate the more negative ones.Again not sure why this perception of everyone just hating on Rifkin that keeps being brought up is coming from, it’s totally disconnected from many of the actual posts in the thread. On October 25 2019 14:23 DrunkenSCV wrote: Ok, so this one is a bit of a legitimate question, though I do wonder why someone would find it "offensive" to play WoW during the global finals.Sorry, maybe it's just me, but I find it a bit offensive that the guy who addresses to sc2 community "get me to blizzcon" plays WoW during group B matches at blizzcon. On October 25 2019 20:20 MarianoSC2 wrote: It's not hate necessarily, but I also find it odd this person thought a fundraising tournament by Rifkin was a "troll" post.Is this a troll post? On October 25 2019 20:26 Argonauta wrote: Not hate, but it is snark. This person is making fun of Rifkin for trying to fundraise to go to Blizzcon.yo people, I will be playing sc2 in my twitch channel all weekend, feel free too to throw money at me so I can go to blizzcon :D On October 28 2019 09:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Again, this person is also making fun of Rifkin for fundraising for blizzconI'll auction off my weekend to the highest bidder. Send me a dollar to play SC2 on stream. Then someone else sends me slighly more to play BW. Then someone else sends me even more to play chess. Then someone else sends me even more to play cards with my dog. All proceeds go towards sending me to Blizzcon On October 28 2019 14:09 .gypsy wrote: This one is definitely negative. Definitely bordering on that "hate" you were talking aboutThis is ridiculous lmfao. On October 28 2019 14:18 johnnywup wrote: Yeah, this one is definitely along the lines of "hate."I can't even imagine having the audacity to try this. So much self-importance lol. I guess no harm in trying to get yourself a paid trip to blizzcon but lol Sure, so most of these were not outright "hating" on Rifkin, but they were neither positive nor constructive either, so they were definitely adding to the negativity without really adding anything in return. These were all the more negative comments Rifkin received up to when he sent out an explanation post. Trying to look at these posts as objectively as possible, I will grant that the hate amount wasn't as high as the hate towards Zerg during the Global Finals. However, I really don't see how someone can find these posts neutral or positive. | ||
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