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GSL Season 3
2019 Global StarCraft II League Season 3/Code SStreams & Casters
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- Group Stage #2 (Round of 16): Dual Tournament Format.
- Group Nominations.
- All matches are Bo3.
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[GSL 2019] Season 3 - Ro16 Group A
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
Map Pool + Show Spoiler [Matchlist] + CSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Banner: GSL | ||
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Pandemona
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Poll: Who Advances? Dark & SpeCial (19) Keen & Dark (11) FanTaSy & Dark (11) FanTaSy & Keen (6) SpeCial & FanTaSy (6) SpeCial & Keen (0) 53 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): Dark & SpeCial | ||
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Conut
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Gogo sc2! | ||
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sneakyfox
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Nakajin
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Coming ever so closer to Shellshock, keep it up and your gonna be there in another 9-10 years! | ||
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ordeal11
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Brilliant strategy, but poor micro. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
On August 28 2019 04:55 Nakajin wrote: Hey congrats Pandemona on your 42000 post! Coming ever so closer to Shellshock, keep it up and your gonna be there in another 9-10 years! Oh haha thank you! | ||
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Die4Ever
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TentativePanda
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On August 28 2019 04:13 sneakyfox wrote: Code S hype! Enjoy it while it lasts. I think the major problem with the Starcraft community is this exactly. Why the last sentence? It only diminishes hype and paints a picture of a completely bleak future when it doesn’t have to be painted that way. If the GSL comes to an end it’ll suck ass. But it better not be because this community becomes so self deprecating that the sponsors give up on trying to promote it. Just stick to the first half of that thought <3 | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 28 2019 10:34 TentativePanda wrote: I think the major problem with the Starcraft community is this exactly. Why the last sentence? It only diminishes hype and paints a picture of a completely bleak future when it doesn’t have to be painted that way. If the GSL comes to an end it’ll suck ass. But it better not be because this community becomes so self deprecating that the sponsors give up on trying to promote it. Just stick to the first half of that thought <3 I don't think there's anything wrong with the second sentence. Depreciating comments dont mean anything to sponsors as long as the viewers are there. | ||
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Conut
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On August 28 2019 11:21 BerserkSword wrote: I don't think there's anything wrong with the second sentence. Depreciating comments dont mean anything to sponsors as long as the viewers are there. Naw the community has been so negative for years let those nothing people continue the hate, I have enjoyed this game from the begining and I have never felt a end coming ever, at the very least I can always play this game it wont ever die, even if some pro league dies, a game never dies unless we stop playing, god I love sc2 omega hyped for special today! | ||
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sneakyfox
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On August 28 2019 10:34 TentativePanda wrote: I think the major problem with the Starcraft community is this exactly. Why the last sentence? It only diminishes hype and paints a picture of a completely bleak future when it doesn’t have to be painted that way. If the GSL comes to an end it’ll suck ass. But it better not be because this community becomes so self deprecating that the sponsors give up on trying to promote it. Just stick to the first half of that thought <3 It's not highly pessimistic or 'bleak' to say that this might be the last Code S, unfortunately. Let's hope that it does continue for many more seasons. So I wrote the comment not because I'm being overly negative, but because I love Code S, and if it really is the final season, I'm am going to make sure I enjoy every moment of it, as should we all. inb4 bl/infestor pvp slugfest  | ||
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Musicus
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Legan
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Musicus
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On August 28 2019 17:35 Legan wrote: Any information who will fill-in for Artosis? Don't think so, my money is on NoRegret though. | ||
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ShAd_1337
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
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AttackZerg
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Dark Hwaiting. Other then that I think it is possible Special is the strongest player mechanically with the Terran race in this group, but I don't know if he is as clutch as he might need to be. I must admit, I am very ignorant about Keen, only seen a handful of games but I didn't smell Maru, Ty or Inno on his breath .. I could be totally wrong and underestimating him. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 28 2019 18:31 AttackZerg wrote: I am the rare person who believes that Dark is not far behind Serral. I really hope he can display some great ZvT tonight. His last run in Gsl felt like a never ending stream of ZvP's. Didn't he beat Inno in the last round? Is this his GSL of ZvT? Dark Hwaiting. Other then that I think it is possible Special is the strongest player mechanically with the Terran race in this group, but I don't know if he is as clutch as he might need to be. I must admit, I am very ignorant about Keen, only seen a handful of games but I didn't smell Maru, Ty or Inno on his breath .. I could be totally wrong and underestimating him. i agree with you that Dark is right behind serral. I don't agree that special is the strongest terran here, mechanically. Keen and Fantasy have better mechanics imo. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Althought he did play the best TvZ I have seen in 4 months in GSL v world. That game on Kings cove (?) with the multi-prong mm harrass was so clean. But, if the game goes behind the opening phase, it feels like Fantasy lacks the map wide control I have seen Special and other Terrans display. I could totally be wrong thou. Hard to judge towers from the gravel. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6929 Posts
On August 28 2019 18:31 AttackZerg wrote: I am the rare person who believes that Dark is not far behind Serral. I really hope he can display some great ZvT tonight. His last run in Gsl felt like a never ending stream of ZvP's. Didn't he beat Inno in the last round? Is this his GSL of ZvT? Dark Hwaiting. Other then that I think it is possible Special is the strongest player mechanically with the Terran race in this group, but I don't know if he is as clutch as he might need to be. I must admit, I am very ignorant about Keen, only seen a handful of games but I didn't smell Maru, Ty or Inno on his breath .. I could be totally wrong and underestimating him. I agree that Dark is the next best Zerg (maybe even player) after Serral. But is ZvZ is faaaar behind, making quite a gap between Serral and Dark imo. Fantasy and Special are both excellent players for the prep style GSL has. Genuinly curious what they bring to the table. Keen goes out 0:4 or 1:4 I think | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 28 2019 18:37 AttackZerg wrote: I have to disagree about Fantasy. Althought he did play the best TvZ I have seen in 4 months in GSL v world. That game on Kings cove (?) with the multi-prong mm harrass was so clean. But, if the game goes behind the opening phase, it feels like Fantasy lacks the map wide control I have seen Special and other Terrans display. I could totally be wrong thou. Hard to judge towers from the gravel. Special is reliant on gimmicks that he has developed for his hatred of Protoss, and more recently zerg. His mechanics are lackluster for a code S player. | ||
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BerserkSword
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TvZ is probably the strongest matchup right now | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 28 2019 18:43 SenorChang wrote: a bit unrelated to this, but does anyone have a link to the GSL vs the world lie detector bit? loved special's part in that. dont know which lie detctor part exactly ur talkin about but u will be able to find it here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK5eBtuoj_HkdXKHNmBLAXg/videos just click the players u wanna see | ||
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SenorChang
Australia4730 Posts
On August 28 2019 18:44 BerserkSword wrote: dont know which lie detctor part exactly ur talkin about but u will be able to find it here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK5eBtuoj_HkdXKHNmBLAXg/videos just click the players u wanna see it was a whole segment and I can't remember where abouts it was in the grand scheme of things. think it was during the team matches. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 28 2019 18:41 BerserkSword wrote: Special is reliant on gimmicks that he has developed for his hatred of Protoss, and more recently zerg. His mechanics are lackluster for a code S player. I have been really impressed with his Battle mech TvZ. He displayed some incredible control and lategame play that was very,very clean. He executed the exact builds as TY tvz in the last tournament, and looked miles better. Group selections - I had heard that Dark ran the show from some write up I read, but it wasn't until I saw that video, that I realized he really did exercise incredible control over the groups. | ||
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AttackZerg
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Xain0n
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Bad trades by Keen tho. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
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Musicus
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nojok
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AttackZerg
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AttackZerg
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They gave us the ability to finally control a full zerg army in this game and yet we see Zergs playing Protoss death-ball style. I can't wait for the next revolution. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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FakePseudo
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FakePseudo
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On August 28 2019 19:24 AttackZerg wrote: Time played soooo good against Serral. His recent great play and friendly personality have made me a fan. His control during that series was really of-the-charts crisp. | ||
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Durnuu
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BerserkSword
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Ciaus_Dronu
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BerserkSword
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On August 28 2019 19:32 Durnuu wrote: Looks like tesagi is back on the menu boys It never left the menu imo 6 code s in a row nom sayin | ||
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Musicus
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nojok
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On August 28 2019 19:29 TheOneAboveU wrote: wtf, Dark is getting rekt. Well, does not really matter it seems. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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I just wrote that to curse KeeN since the contrasting thing to whatever I say is bound to happen in reality. :D | ||
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SamirDuran
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BerserkSword
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we just seen keen dismantle and eliminate innovation including in the lategame the same innovation who more often than not eliminates maru | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On August 28 2019 19:38 BerserkSword wrote: why is tasteless so surprised by keen's play? we just seen keen dismantle and eliminate innovation including in the lategame the same innovation who more often than not eliminates maru KeeN TvT =/= KeeN's other match-ups, honestly. I'd say Tasteless has grounds on being surprised here, I'd never have thought he'd go toe to toe with Dark here. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 28 2019 19:40 TheOneAboveU wrote: KeeN TvT =/= KeeN's other match-ups, honestly. I'd say Tasteless has grounds on being surprised here, I'd never have thought he'd go toe to toe with Dark here. I understand that, but he beat innovation in the late game recently. Innovation is a lategame monster. Keen has been playing out of his mind recently. You dont eliminate innovation in TvT without ridiculous play | ||
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Die4Ever
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nojok
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 losing so much after doing the hard part of loading and moving away he just sends them back to their death | ||
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BerserkSword
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they thought fantasy was out of his mind for taking that recent fight | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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Zambrah
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BerserkSword
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special's greatest strength is whining about protoss and zerg and coming up with gimmicks against them. smh | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On August 28 2019 20:51 BerserkSword wrote: special showing his mechanical weakness in TvT against a starcraft legend special's greatest strength is whining about protoss and zerg and coming up with gimmicks against them. smh Lmao how many times can you say the same thing in the same thread? Special just needs to build more ravens and have more modest tank positioning and his problems are fixed | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On August 28 2019 20:51 BerserkSword wrote: special showing his mechanical weakness in TvT against a starcraft legend special's greatest strength is whining about protoss and zerg and coming up with gimmicks against them. smh Ridicolous. Special's micro is often subpar, but his macro and his multitaking are top notch, just go watch how he eliminated Classic last BlizzCon! | ||
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Die4Ever
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Penev
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On August 28 2019 21:11 Die4Ever wrote: I don't think Tasteless understands physics lol what did he say? | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
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I think the gist was that he didn't make the distinction between acceleration and constant velocity motion. In the context of light-speed battlecruiser warps  | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 28 2019 21:25 Penev wrote: Dark is using all the tools alright I'm not seeing lurker drops though | ||
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Penev
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there is still time | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 28 2019 21:29 TheOneAboveU wrote: Ultras are so bad against mech units. :D Not just mech units, honestly. | ||
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On August 28 2019 21:39 RatzBarcode wrote: Broodlord infestor never die Keen vs Dark just three hours ago, you build two ghosts and they do. | ||
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On August 28 2019 21:49 Kommander wrote: Despite Fantasy doing a lot of eco damage, I feel like his window's closing fast. His timing attack is as sharp as his GG timing. | ||
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Penev
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On August 28 2019 21:46 Penev wrote: this is unthrowable at this point :D | ||
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Fango
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On August 28 2019 20:55 Xain0n wrote: Ridicolous. Special's micro is often subpar, but his macro and his multitaking are top notch, just go watch how he eliminated Classic last BlizzCon! His multitasking is what holds him back a lot of the time. He never seems to do well when there's multiple things going on, especially if he had to micro them. You see it all the time in long games with a lot of drops/harass. He can send units everywhere but lose value because they never get micro'd. At blizzcon he won by having Classic suicide into tank lines. The fact he goes so tank heavy in TvP is probably because his multitasking and micro aren't the best as well. | ||
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On August 28 2019 22:10 Elentos wrote: Saying "We should GG any second now" in a Fantasy game where the man is still on triple digit supply is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And you were there when Artosis kept shouting beautiful fungals! | ||
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nojok
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On August 28 2019 22:08 Xain0n wrote: Twitch chat is really giving its worst today. Why go on twitch when the TL window is perfectly fine and hides the chat? | ||
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"if the meta goes on like this it will be very hard for zerg players" - Dark | ||
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D-light
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On August 28 2019 22:18 nojok wrote: Lmao "if the meta goes on like this it will be very hard for zerg players" - Dark What a memer. | ||
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Xain0n
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Keen could very well beat Dark, what if there were a stronger Terran player in his stead? | ||
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Slydie
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Nerfing Zerg air is probably the only way out of this. t reminds too much of how SC2 lost a lot of momentum as an Esport back in WoL. Zerg has econ, remaxes and map control so an unengageable lategame ball is not even needed for the race to be successful, I hope it gets removed from the game soon. My best bet would probably be nerfing the corruptor to the ground, such a boring unit which cover too well for the weakness of broodlords. | ||
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Xain0n
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On August 28 2019 22:30 Slydie wrote: 21 broodlords with corruptor support just wipes everything, even with money upgraded EMPs hitting the infestors. There goes another theorycraft of how lategame zerg can be beaten. Nerfing Zerg air is probably the only way out of this. t reminds too much of how SC2 lost a lot of momentum as an Esport back in WoL. Zerg has econ, remaxes and map control so an unengageable lategame ball is not even needed for the race to be successful, I hope it gets removed from the game soon. My best bet would probably be nerfing the corruptor to the ground, such a boring unit which cover too well for the weakness of broodlords. I'd hope whiners would be removed from chats and forums, but seems like they can't. Keen and Fantasy(did they ever get past ro16 in Code S) don't beat Dark, the current Code S champion, after throwing big time and you want to nerf Zerg. | ||
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Qikz
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I'm a SCR/BW guy mainly but I've been a fantasy fan for years and watched those games and it seems unlike the guardian there's no counter play at all to the broodlord. If you try and engage you can never get away with your army as the broodlings wrap around everything and thors are slow as hell and you can't purely use vikings due to the fact parasitic bomb and fungal exist as spells and everything by design super hard clumps. Watching those 2 games I'm not sure what you're even meant to do. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On August 28 2019 22:38 Qikz wrote: I don't understand how on earth you're supposed to beat the game design of the broodlord. I'm a SCR/BW guy mainly but I've been a fantasy fan for years and watched those games and it seems unlike the guardian there's no counter play at all to the broodlord. If you try and engage you can never get away with your army as the broodlings wrap around everything and thors are slow as hell and you can't purely use vikings due to the fact parasitic bomb and fungal exist as spells and everything by design super hard clumps. Watching those 2 games I'm not sure what you're even meant to do. There's a counter play to that, it's just not easy and it's better to not get the Zerg get there. Check some Maru games against top zergs when he goes into the lategame. It's a treat to see and it looks OP as hell. Or check Innovation's games, he played some good TvZs too. Edit> I didn't watch the games, I was at work. And no offense to Fanta, but Dark is supposed to be a level or two above him(in SC2). So maybe it was just the difference of these two that looked broken, not games. But again, I wasn't watching them games, just saying Dark should look that strong. | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 28 2019 22:55 Myrddrael wrote: Since when could you use someone elses tech labs/reactors? Since forever | ||
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Elentos
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On August 28 2019 22:55 Myrddrael wrote: Since when could you use someone elses tech labs/reactors? Always. You can straight up take them. If you're in a base trade and your last building is a rax and your opponent's last building is a tech lab you win by landing. | ||
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Elentos
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But Special's build here at the start of the game is the fullest I've seen in a while. | ||
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Myrddrael
United Kingdom291 Posts
On August 28 2019 22:56 Elentos wrote: Always. You can straight up take them. If you're in a base trade and your last building is a rax and your opponent's last building is a tech lab you win by landing. Okay so I just straight up never knew that in all the years I've been playing/watching | ||
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Alchemik
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On August 28 2019 22:56 Elentos wrote: Always. You can straight up take them. If you're in a base trade and your last building is a rax and your opponent's last building is a tech lab you win by landing. has that ever happened in an actual game | ||
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Slydie
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On August 28 2019 22:35 Xain0n wrote: I'd hope whiners would be removed from chats and forums, but seems like they can't. Keen and Fantasy(did they ever get past ro16 in Code S) don't beat Dark, the current Code S champion, after throwing big time and you want to nerf Zerg. I actually did not even argue that Dark is not the better player. Lategame tvz is just dum to watch and I hope it changes soon. | ||
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Elentos
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I'm sure I've seen it on reddit. Not like pro games will ever go to that point at this rate. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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Yes, the reason a lot of us know it in the first place is that it happens in pro games every now and then, I think the TLO one is quite famous. | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
On August 28 2019 22:55 deacon.frost wrote: There's a counter play to that, it's just not easy and it's better to not get the Zerg get there. Check some Maru games against top zergs when he goes into the lategame. It's a treat to see and it looks OP as hell. Or check Innovation's games, he played some good TvZs too. Edit> I didn't watch the games, I was at work. And no offense to Fanta, but Dark is supposed to be a level or two above him(in SC2). So maybe it was just the difference of these two that looked broken, not games. But again, I wasn't watching them games, just saying Dark should look that strong. You should watch the games. Both games looked like fantasy is winning. Game 2 he had a huge lead but wants to go to late game anyways and dies. And it's sad | ||
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SamirDuran
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I used to do that when my opponent left proxied tech labs. It has been always like that since 2010 | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 28 2019 23:01 Slydie wrote: I actually did not even argue that Dark is not the better player. Lategame tvz is just dum to watch and I hope it changes soon. Doubt that. First of all Blizzard don't have the manpower and I believe they lack the will to do such changes. From WoL many players hate "free units units" and suggested some changes to change this(energy, cost, no pathing obstruction, etc.), nothing helped. Brood lords are actually quite fragile if you can walk under them. But you can't because broodlings everywhere fucks up pathing  On August 28 2019 23:02 SamirDuran wrote: You should watch the games. Both games looked like fantasy is winning. Game 2 he had a huge lead but wants to go to late game anyways and dies. And it's sad I'll do, but I have to keep mah job to have them monies There's a reason why many Terrans don't want to do lategame(TvZ/TvP) as it's really hard. | ||
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Penev
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On August 28 2019 23:02 SamirDuran wrote: You should watch the games. Both games looked like fantasy is winning. Game 2 he had a huge lead but wants to go to late game anyways and dies. And it's sad it's sad but also very much Fanta's own fault, the 2nd game was a massive throw | ||
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Elentos
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On August 28 2019 23:22 Penev wrote: I can't keep up with the throws It's a terrific group. Or terrible. One of those. | ||
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Penev
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On August 28 2019 23:24 Elentos wrote: It's a terrific group. Or terrible. One of those. I'm leaning to terrific now, this is quite fun | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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Elentos
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On August 28 2019 23:26 Penev wrote: I'm leaning to terrific now, this is quite fun We're trying to find out who is the one-eyed man in the group of the blind right now | ||
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Penev
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On August 28 2019 23:27 Elentos wrote: We're trying to find out who is the one-eyed man in the group of the blind right now looks like it's the commander but it's not over yet | ||
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HolydaKing
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Elentos
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Andi_Goldberger
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Xain0n
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Elentos
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On August 28 2019 23:29 Xain0n wrote: Immaculate execution! Perfect game plan! All of those can be found in a different game than that one! | ||
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Nakajin
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Elentos
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On August 28 2019 23:32 Nakajin wrote: It's been 2927 days since Keen last make it into the round of 8 of a GSL, the wait may finally come to an end. Back in the day when the Ro16 was single elim bo3. Back then he advanced to Ro8 through TvT and got eliminated in a TvT as well. If KeeN advances there's a 50% chance he plays a Terran in Ro8 this time too. | ||
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HolydaKing
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Penev
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fLyiNgDroNe
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 28 2019 23:36 Elentos wrote: Back in the day when the Ro16 was single elim bo3. Back then he advanced to Ro8 through TvT and got eliminated in a TvT as well. If KeeN advances there's a 50% chance he plays a Terran in Ro8 this time too. Does he play the C or B winner? (my guess is C, if so he has good chances on RO4 oO) On August 28 2019 23:24 Elentos wrote: It's a terrific group. Or terrible. One of those. why not both? Terribly terrific(or vice versa) | ||
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Elentos
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On August 28 2019 23:46 deacon.frost wrote: Does he play the C or B winner? (my guess is C, if so he has good chances on RO4 oO) GSL Ro8 has been A vs B and C vs D for I don't even know how long. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On August 28 2019 23:43 [PkF] Wire wrote: hard to argue today wasn't entertaining at least that was easy to foresee, 3 terrans AND Fantasy is in it. | ||
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Penev
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
On August 28 2019 23:44 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: has today's group been live 5+ hours already? As the caster's said, it's 10 mins to midnight in KR. This is a battle of endurance. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 28 2019 23:48 Elentos wrote: GSL Ro8 has been A vs B and C vs D for I don't even know how long. I barely remember my name, my memory is very limited and I cannot waste it on something that's writtten on LP(Alas, cannot check it at work that often as I would love to ) | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Silly me XD Great group though. | ||
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Elentos
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[PkF] Wire
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On August 28 2019 23:55 Elentos wrote: So is this the longest GSL group ever yet the question on everybody's mind | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
Hard to imagine with Swarm Hosts being a thing in HotS though. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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what a baller | ||
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Penev
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TheOneAboveU
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On August 28 2019 23:58 Penev wrote: Keen is clearly ahead but that says absolutely nothing Making predictions is futile before the first two throws at the least. | ||
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HolydaKing
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Elentos
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[PkF] Wire
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On August 29 2019 00:00 HolydaKing wrote: rip fantasy looked entertaining as ever though, with a little more practice I bet he'll be able to be a serious threat next year | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
On August 29 2019 00:00 [PkF] Wire wrote: looked entertaining as ever though, with a little more practice I bet he'll be able to be a serious threat next year I think this will be his last year. Rumors is that he'll return to BW by December this year. | ||
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Nakajin
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No way | ||
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Penev
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Ciaus_Dronu
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Elentos
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On August 28 2019 23:57 TheOneAboveU wrote: Hard to imagine with Swarm Hosts being a thing in HotS though. I seem to recall Korea being a relatively SH free zone. soO and Life weren't big SH players for starters. I don't think Soulkey dragged out GSLs anywhere near the same has he did that one Proleague match. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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Zerg.Zilla
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Elentos
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Nakajin
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On August 29 2019 00:03 Elentos wrote: I seem to recall Korea being a relatively SH free zone. soO and Life weren't big SH players for starters. I don't think Soulkey dragged out GSLs anywhere near the same has he did that one Proleague match. Rogue and ByuL played super long game in their time tho, not necessarily with SH but against mech it took an eternity. | ||
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Elentos
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On August 29 2019 00:05 Nakajin wrote: Rogue and ByuL played super long game in their time tho, not necessarily with SH but against mech it took an eternity. I think ByuL mostly played those in playoffs. Also the longest group I could remember from the top of my head was the one that ended with Flash vs Curious and that one was shorter than today. | ||
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RatzBarcode
United States98 Posts
On August 29 2019 00:07 Elentos wrote: I think ByuL mostly played those in playoffs. Also the longest group I could remember from the top of my head was the one that ended with Flash vs Curious and that one was shorter than today. This has to be the longest, based on 4/5 series going the distance, plus half the games were like 25 min plus | ||
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Elentos
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On August 29 2019 00:10 RatzBarcode wrote: This has to be the longest, based on 4/5 series going the distance, plus half the games were like 25 min plus I wonder if I'm bored enough to do research on this. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Why is Keen going to the military now? He should have two or three years yet. Fantasy has already ended his service, it's weird that 2019 is going to be his last year in sc2. In any of case, with so many Terran leaving BW soon, he could be the one who inherits Flash's mantle. | ||
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Nakajin
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On August 29 2019 00:12 Elentos wrote: I wonder if I'm bored enough to do research on this. I am but I told myself that I should stop doing things like this. | ||
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Elentos
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On August 29 2019 00:13 Xain0n wrote: Keen ultimately played better, especially against Dark! He deserved to advance. Why is Keen going to the military now? He should have two or three years yet. Fantasy has already ended his service, it's weird that 2019 is going to be his last year in sc2. In any of case, with so many Terran leaving BW soon, he could be the one who inherits Flash's mantle. Well in the translator's words "When delaying my military service I made some mistakes so I'm just waiting to start my mandatory service now" | ||
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RandomPlayer
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Slydie
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On August 28 2019 23:02 SamirDuran wrote: You should watch the games. Both games looked like fantasy is winning. Game 2 he had a huge lead but wants to go to late game anyways and dies. And it's sad I don't even think it was that much of a throw. He pushed a bit late, but it was still early enough for broodlords not to be out yet and I give to Dark that the ravager hold was pretty incredible. The morale is to never EVER let Dark get 80 drones. | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
GSL Audience GSL Dark interview GL marauder on a diet GSL dubstep GSL Keen interview | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On August 29 2019 00:00 SamirDuran wrote: sad day for Fantasy fans like me. welp time to work... I think this will be his last year. Rumors is that he'll return to BW by December this year. Where did you hear that rumour? As sad as that would be for StarCraft 2, I'd love to have my hero back to BW <3 | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On August 29 2019 00:13 Xain0n wrote: Keen ultimately played better, especially against Dark! He deserved to advance. Why is Keen going to the military now? He should have two or three years yet. Fantasy has already ended his service, it's weird that 2019 is going to be his last year in sc2. In any of case, with so many Terran leaving BW soon, he could be the one who inherits Flash's mantle. The good protoss' too: Stats, Classic, Zest and sOs(?) all have to go to military service | ||
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Akio
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Xain0n
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On August 29 2019 02:39 AzAlexZ wrote: The good protoss' too: Stats, Classic, Zest and sOs(?) all have to go to military service Not sOs but herO; Gumiho and soO as well, just like aLive, TRUE, LosirA. All of them were born in 1992(MC and Classic in 1991), I don't know when they will have to go, most likely next year. | ||
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Elentos
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On August 29 2019 00:13 Nakajin wrote: I am but I told myself that I should stop doing things like this. I went through 200 Code S groups and the one today was the longest of them with a 15 minute 30 second lead. That's the maximum amount of work I'm willing to invest in this question. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25333 Posts
On August 28 2019 22:38 Qikz wrote: I don't understand how on earth you're supposed to beat the game design of the broodlord. I'm a SCR/BW guy mainly but I've been a fantasy fan for years and watched those games and it seems unlike the guardian there's no counter play at all to the broodlord. If you try and engage you can never get away with your army as the broodlings wrap around everything and thors are slow as hell and you can't purely use vikings due to the fact parasitic bomb and fungal exist as spells and everything by design super hard clumps. Watching those 2 games I'm not sure what you're even meant to do. People complain more about the Infestor part of the combination, really I personally find the broods are the problem when they get to high numbers, and it just gets exponentionally worse. 1. They block pathing. 2. They force DPS off them their broodlings tank for them. 3. Their counters theoretically are other air units, but these prioritise corrupters by default if you’re A-moving. 4. They force friendly fire damage from tanks. To theoretically perfectly engage Broods you have to manually gauge what units are within range of hitting a brood lord and manually target those to do so. If other units are not they need to be A-moved so to clear broodlings and not waste DPS wandering around being blocked by broodlings and not firing. Not to mention terrain. Not to mention of engagements spread more than one screen of visual gauging. Which when you hit maxed, with static D support. Jesus H Christ. People talk about ‘free units’ as if it’s inherently a terrible thing, I really have no issue with it. They reset targeting priorities every single volley by virtue of their mechanics. They’re both a relatively A-move composition, but along with tank lines are also an anti-A move composition at the same time, which to me is the problem. By that I mean their mechanics actually mess with A-moving too. Which despite being a pejorative term you kind of need to work well sometimes. If I spot an opening in TvT where I have an advantage, in a spread engagement I can split my marines or whatever and A-move through the lines, over a multi screen engagement. I can’t control both armies simultaneously, but I can make a judgement call, I know what behaviour will generally be followed in the segment I A-move and actively control the other. With broods, whatever is off screen is a lottery. Will it be blocked by broodlings, will it spaz out? Who the fuck knows? I’m not a great player by any stretch, also not terrible. When I did play T my best matchup was vP, I was decent against ling/bling/muta. Which is micro intensive sure, but I know what’s going to happen. It’s down to my splits, my arcs, my storm dodges and my kiting or whatever, that if I fuck up it may feel difficult sure but it’s my bads. With engaging broods it’s like no, literally any unit I’m not directly controlling is not doing what I would actually want it to be doing, or would predict it to be doing. I’m getting blocked, friendly fired, my vikings prioritise corrupters if left to their own devices etc. As to what I’d change, well I’m an idiot I anyway so who cares, but really who cares? By change I mean experiment with, maybe bolster other things to compensate or whatever. 1. If they hit hard with their first attack, but broodlings were a bit less potent, be more like Guardians in that way. 2. If the opposite were true, so their initial attack was weaker so their sniping was weaker but their broodlings still did their thing. 3. If Broodlings didn’t benefit from melee upgrades but instead from ranged attack or flier attacks. They could still be potent as now, but the ease of transition would be lessened somewhat and give more windows for opposing races. Rant aside Dark is a phenomenal player anyway who would prosper with whatever tools were in his available set, so absolutely not taking away from his play at all. | ||
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RealityTheGreat
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RatzBarcode
United States98 Posts
On August 29 2019 04:56 Elentos wrote: I went through 200 Code S groups and the one today was the longest of them with a 15 minute 30 second lead. That's the maximum amount of work I'm willing to invest in this question. that's impressive! how'd you calculate and find the info? what day was second? | ||
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Nakajin
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On August 29 2019 04:56 Elentos wrote: I went through 200 Code S groups and the one today was the longest of them with a 15 minute 30 second lead. That's the maximum amount of work I'm willing to invest in this question. Just 200? Quitter...... + Show Spoiler + JK well done, we have a new nugget of knowledge about SC | ||
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Elentos
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2nd longest was the infamous Inno-Flash-Curious-Pigbaby group from 2015. 3rd IIRC was the group where Scarlett got nuked out of GSL | ||
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Harris1st
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Theory 1: Has anyone ever tried going mass Lib + AA Missile vs the Corruptor clump? With max upgrades a Lib does 8 x 2 AoE dmg. A corruptor has 5 armor and 200 HP. With AA missile 2 armor. This means one would need 17 Libs to oneshot a clump of Corruptors. Chances are you get fungaled though. You NEED Ghosts for this Terran has air attack upgrades +3 usually much earlier than zerg has air armor upgrades. Theory 2: BC's + Thor Yamato the BL's then retreat behind the Thors Very expensive, long build time, different attack upgrades. Chances are you get Neuraled. Again you NEED Ghosts Most Terrans I watch Yamato the Corruptor. Why not go for BL's? Risk is marginally higher, but reward is way higher IMO Done this at work, so don't be to harsh on me | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
On August 29 2019 20:29 Harris1st wrote: Theorycrafting vs BL/ Corrupter: Theory 1: Has anyone ever tried going mass Lib + AA Missile vs the Corruptor clump? With max upgrades a Lib does 8 x 2 AoE dmg. A corruptor has 5 armor and 200 HP. With AA missile 2 armor. This means one would need 17 Libs to oneshot a clump of Corruptors. Chances are you get fungaled though. You NEED Ghosts for this Terran has air attack upgrades +3 usually much earlier than zerg has air armor upgrades. Theory 2: BC's + Thor Yamato the BL's then retreat behind the Thors Very expensive, long build time, different attack upgrades. Chances are you get Neuraled. Again you NEED Ghosts Most Terrans I watch Yamato the Corruptor. Why not go for BL's? Risk is marginally higher, but reward is way higher IMO Done this at work, so don't be to harsh on me Any mass air strategy dies with parasitic bomb. Your theories are reasonable of an air army couldn't in one motion be: 1. fungaled to stop retreat and unit splitting 2. parasitic bombed on fungaled units 3. more fungals, bombs, infested terrans, corrupters The problem is the cost effectiveness of the AOE spells on the air units too. Even if you do some damage and retreat with 100% of your army, chances are most of your units are less then half health and need to be repaired. On the other end, the longer zerg turtles the more likely the regenerate their army without costing any resources. And they turtle hard core over spores which is a huge deterrent for air units. I think some variation of heavy thors is the answer though. | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
On August 29 2019 00:13 Nakajin wrote: I am but I told myself that I should stop doing things like this. I'm so glade to know I am not the only one to do things like that | ||
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