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Guess I got my hopes up. For a second there I thought Heromarine could win that game.
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Losing reaper midmap to adept and nosediving raven in first. Big gabe feeling the pressure
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On August 16 2019 16:50 Elentos wrote:That aside tho Heromarine is doing a better job of playing like Maru than Maru did.
tbf Trap is playing worse than Stats did
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Heromarine ← Standard EU Terran
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On August 16 2019 16:53 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 16:47 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:32 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote:
i just dont understand how the only nerf for zerg in the current patch was fixing infested terrans.... i understand the toss nerfs but seriously? And yes taking into account how good serral is as well. I dunno. would have been nice to have seen the stim and emp buffs before this tourney The thing I don't get is them not touching nydus. As a stupid mega all-in mechanic it was never as strong as it is now that it's just a tool for regular games. It's so cheap to do and so annoying (and difficult) to deal with, in late game on big economy it's basically free. And Protoss and Terran kinda give up almost all their army mobility to stalemate the frontal BL/infestor stuff. What I don't get is that they're nerfing recall while leaving Nydus which is a big ass recall all over the map... c'mon.
Figure the reasoning is that recall is seen as a get out of jail free card where you can defend after being completely out of position, and in relatively quick succession, making defense a bit too easy in conjunction with warp-ins and batteries. Meanwhile nobody uses nydus to defend their bases from being out of position. Yet.
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How is it going?
Sitting in a train with realy bad Internet, so no chance to watch
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On August 16 2019 16:54 NoS-Craig wrote:
Guess I got my hopes up. For a second there I thought Heromarine could win that game.
Was that before he stimmed all his units to orange health? 
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On August 16 2019 16:56 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 16:53 deacon.frost wrote:On August 16 2019 16:47 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:32 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote:
i just dont understand how the only nerf for zerg in the current patch was fixing infested terrans.... i understand the toss nerfs but seriously? And yes taking into account how good serral is as well. I dunno. would have been nice to have seen the stim and emp buffs before this tourney The thing I don't get is them not touching nydus. As a stupid mega all-in mechanic it was never as strong as it is now that it's just a tool for regular games. It's so cheap to do and so annoying (and difficult) to deal with, in late game on big economy it's basically free. And Protoss and Terran kinda give up almost all their army mobility to stalemate the frontal BL/infestor stuff. What I don't get is that they're nerfing recall while leaving Nydus which is a big ass recall all over the map... c'mon. Figure the reasoning is that recall is seen as a get out of jail free card where you can defend after being completely out of position, and in relatively quick succession, making defense a bit too easy in conjunction with warp-ins and batteries. Meanwhile nobody uses nydus to defend their bases from being out of position. Yet.
So it's just about the defense, blinking swarmhosts are fine? Sometimes I don't understand Blizzard, well, lately it's most of the time 
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On August 16 2019 16:54 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 16:53 sneakyfox wrote:On August 16 2019 16:47 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:32 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote:
i just dont understand how the only nerf for zerg in the current patch was fixing infested terrans.... i understand the toss nerfs but seriously? And yes taking into account how good serral is as well. I dunno. would have been nice to have seen the stim and emp buffs before this tourney The thing I don't get is them not touching nydus. As a stupid mega all-in mechanic it was never as strong as it is now that it's just a tool for regular games. It's so cheap to do and so annoying (and difficult) to deal with, in late game on big economy it's basically free. And Protoss and Terran kinda give up almost all their army mobility to stalemate the frontal BL/infestor stuff. Add doing something about the Infestor to that list and you've got at good recipe for fixing lategame ZvT. Well they're nerfing infested Terrans which might end up being enough, remains to be seen.
Yeah I don't see how it would have much impact on ZvT, it's fungal and neural that's used the majority of the time there.
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On August 16 2019 16:58 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 16:54 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:53 sneakyfox wrote:On August 16 2019 16:47 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:32 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote:
i just dont understand how the only nerf for zerg in the current patch was fixing infested terrans.... i understand the toss nerfs but seriously? And yes taking into account how good serral is as well. I dunno. would have been nice to have seen the stim and emp buffs before this tourney The thing I don't get is them not touching nydus. As a stupid mega all-in mechanic it was never as strong as it is now that it's just a tool for regular games. It's so cheap to do and so annoying (and difficult) to deal with, in late game on big economy it's basically free. And Protoss and Terran kinda give up almost all their army mobility to stalemate the frontal BL/infestor stuff. Add doing something about the Infestor to that list and you've got at good recipe for fixing lategame ZvT. Well they're nerfing infested Terrans which might end up being enough, remains to be seen. Yeah I don't see how it would have much impact on ZvT, it's fungal and neural that's used the majority of the time there.
Well, infested Terrans are just so good at bursting through liberators and even mass BC gets completely rekt. If mass BC doesn't lose a straight up fight to infested Terrans super easily anymore, it might become a viable transition. You can play around neural and even fungal to an extend, but ITs win every fight against any air army super hard.
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3/3 for the foreigners so far, it's already big.
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On August 16 2019 16:58 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 16:56 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:53 deacon.frost wrote:On August 16 2019 16:47 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:32 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote:
i just dont understand how the only nerf for zerg in the current patch was fixing infested terrans.... i understand the toss nerfs but seriously? And yes taking into account how good serral is as well. I dunno. would have been nice to have seen the stim and emp buffs before this tourney The thing I don't get is them not touching nydus. As a stupid mega all-in mechanic it was never as strong as it is now that it's just a tool for regular games. It's so cheap to do and so annoying (and difficult) to deal with, in late game on big economy it's basically free. And Protoss and Terran kinda give up almost all their army mobility to stalemate the frontal BL/infestor stuff. What I don't get is that they're nerfing recall while leaving Nydus which is a big ass recall all over the map... c'mon. Figure the reasoning is that recall is seen as a get out of jail free card where you can defend after being completely out of position, and in relatively quick succession, making defense a bit too easy in conjunction with warp-ins and batteries. Meanwhile nobody uses nydus to defend their bases from being out of position. Yet. So it's just about the defense, blinking swarmhosts are fine? Sometimes I don't understand Blizzard, well, lately it's most of the time
Well realistically they probably somewhat caved in from the pressure of hundreds of people whining about Protoss. But then it turned out Zerg's an even bigger problem.
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On August 16 2019 16:57 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 16:54 NoS-Craig wrote:
Guess I got my hopes up. For a second there I thought Heromarine could win that game. Was that before he stimmed all his units to orange health?
Before he lost his Raven. It's alright though man it's ok.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 16 2019 17:04 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 16:58 deacon.frost wrote:On August 16 2019 16:56 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:53 deacon.frost wrote:On August 16 2019 16:47 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:32 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote:
i just dont understand how the only nerf for zerg in the current patch was fixing infested terrans.... i understand the toss nerfs but seriously? And yes taking into account how good serral is as well. I dunno. would have been nice to have seen the stim and emp buffs before this tourney The thing I don't get is them not touching nydus. As a stupid mega all-in mechanic it was never as strong as it is now that it's just a tool for regular games. It's so cheap to do and so annoying (and difficult) to deal with, in late game on big economy it's basically free. And Protoss and Terran kinda give up almost all their army mobility to stalemate the frontal BL/infestor stuff. What I don't get is that they're nerfing recall while leaving Nydus which is a big ass recall all over the map... c'mon. Figure the reasoning is that recall is seen as a get out of jail free card where you can defend after being completely out of position, and in relatively quick succession, making defense a bit too easy in conjunction with warp-ins and batteries. Meanwhile nobody uses nydus to defend their bases from being out of position. Yet. So it's just about the defense, blinking swarmhosts are fine? Sometimes I don't understand Blizzard, well, lately it's most of the time Well realistically they probably somewhat caved in from the pressure of hundreds of people whining about Protoss. But then it turned out Zerg's an even bigger problem.
And it took them so much time to react, somehow I feel very pesimistic about the next year.
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Honestly that double liberator harass was super clutch. Losing those 20 workers without recompense would have been dramatic.
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We need a counter for this event. "For the time being" has to be the most common phrase we have going on right now.
All praise the Time Being
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That disruptor was almost godlike but then it was 2 marines.
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On August 16 2019 17:02 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 16:58 sneakyfox wrote:On August 16 2019 16:54 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:53 sneakyfox wrote:On August 16 2019 16:47 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:32 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote:
i just dont understand how the only nerf for zerg in the current patch was fixing infested terrans.... i understand the toss nerfs but seriously? And yes taking into account how good serral is as well. I dunno. would have been nice to have seen the stim and emp buffs before this tourney The thing I don't get is them not touching nydus. As a stupid mega all-in mechanic it was never as strong as it is now that it's just a tool for regular games. It's so cheap to do and so annoying (and difficult) to deal with, in late game on big economy it's basically free. And Protoss and Terran kinda give up almost all their army mobility to stalemate the frontal BL/infestor stuff. Add doing something about the Infestor to that list and you've got at good recipe for fixing lategame ZvT. Well they're nerfing infested Terrans which might end up being enough, remains to be seen. Yeah I don't see how it would have much impact on ZvT, it's fungal and neural that's used the majority of the time there. Well, infested Terrans are just so good at bursting through liberators and even mass BC gets completely rekt. If mass BC doesn't lose a straight up fight to infested Terrans super easily anymore, it might become a viable transition. You can play around neural and even fungal to an extend, but ITs win every fight against any air army super hard.
Okay but then we're back to the Nydus. Because playing around neural/fungal involves not just having two main armies crashing into each other. And with nydus it's just too hard to pull the zerg apart.
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On August 16 2019 17:11 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 17:02 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:58 sneakyfox wrote:On August 16 2019 16:54 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:53 sneakyfox wrote:On August 16 2019 16:47 Elentos wrote:On August 16 2019 16:32 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote:
i just dont understand how the only nerf for zerg in the current patch was fixing infested terrans.... i understand the toss nerfs but seriously? And yes taking into account how good serral is as well. I dunno. would have been nice to have seen the stim and emp buffs before this tourney The thing I don't get is them not touching nydus. As a stupid mega all-in mechanic it was never as strong as it is now that it's just a tool for regular games. It's so cheap to do and so annoying (and difficult) to deal with, in late game on big economy it's basically free. And Protoss and Terran kinda give up almost all their army mobility to stalemate the frontal BL/infestor stuff. Add doing something about the Infestor to that list and you've got at good recipe for fixing lategame ZvT. Well they're nerfing infested Terrans which might end up being enough, remains to be seen. Yeah I don't see how it would have much impact on ZvT, it's fungal and neural that's used the majority of the time there. Well, infested Terrans are just so good at bursting through liberators and even mass BC gets completely rekt. If mass BC doesn't lose a straight up fight to infested Terrans super easily anymore, it might become a viable transition. You can play around neural and even fungal to an extend, but ITs win every fight against any air army super hard. Okay but then we're back to the Nydus. Because playing around neural/fungal involves not just having two main armies crashing into each other. And with nydus it's just too hard to pull the zerg apart.
Well yeah they should have done something with both, that's what I was saying.
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