Not so hot on neeb's chances anymore. Would love to see RNK make it but he'll probably have to serve copious amounts of cheese if there's any chance of that happening
On August 02 2019 05:10 sudete wrote: Not so hot on neeb's chances anymore. Would love to see RNK make it but he'll probably have to serve copious amounts of cheese if there's any chance of that happening
Yeah RagnoraK is kinda shaky vs Protoss I feel, his zvt is usually quite good but I don’t think it will be enough to get him out
On August 02 2019 05:10 sudete wrote: Not so hot on neeb's chances anymore. Would love to see RNK make it but he'll probably have to serve copious amounts of cheese if there's any chance of that happening
Yeah RagnoraK is kinda shaky vs Protoss I feel, his zvt is usually quite good but I don’t think it will be enough to get Jim out
No matter how you look at it, Jim isn't getting out of any of these groups.
On August 02 2019 05:10 sudete wrote: Not so hot on neeb's chances anymore. Would love to see RNK make it but he'll probably have to serve copious amounts of cheese if there's any chance of that happening
Yeah RagnoraK is kinda shaky vs Protoss I feel, his zvt is usually quite good but I don’t think it will be enough to get Jim out
No matter how you look at it, Jim isn't getting out of any of these groups.
wtf group A. It's like they compressed the Koreans there for a balanced foreigner : korean ratio at playoffs. And it looks like staged with Group A Korean and Serral vs the Protosses.
Hyped for day 2! Groups look real stacked. I think this might actually be one of the hardest groups Serral could have gotten. Can always see him drop Bo3s against Drogo and Neeb tbh.
But I just watched Serral vs Inno Game 2 and wtf was that? The way he outmanouvered Innos nukes by constantly repositioning the spores and even baiting Innos army into them in the end. Inno looked so helpless and he was playing out of his mind. At the end Inno had lost 20k gas to Serrals 10k. Just crazy to see such high level ZvT out of a person who plays the top Koreans only a few times a year. If there is a god Maru and Serral meet in a final this year and we get the highest level TvZ of all time. But knowing how shit like this goes down it will probably be a one sided series with tons of 2 raxing.
On August 02 2019 08:02 ChaosArcher wrote: Hyped for day 2! Groups look real stacked. I think this might actually be one of the hardest groups Serral could have gotten. Can always see him drop Bo3s against Drogo and Neeb tbh.
But I just watched Serral vs Inno Game 2 and wtf was that? The way he outmanouvered Innos nukes by constantly repositioning the spores and even baiting Innos army into them in the end. Inno looked so helpless and he was playing out of his mind. At the end Inno had lost 20k gas to Serrals 10k. Just crazy to see such high level ZvT out of a person who plays the top Koreans only a few times a year. If there is a god Maru and Serral meet in a final this year and we get the highest level TvZ of all time. But knowing how shit like this goes down it will probably be a one sided series with tons of 2 raxing.
not to discredit Serral, who is in fact, a legend, but late game Z is too cancerous. Infestors/Vipers need nerfs
On August 02 2019 08:02 ChaosArcher wrote: Hyped for day 2! Groups look real stacked. I think this might actually be one of the hardest groups Serral could have gotten. Can always see him drop Bo3s against Drogo and Neeb tbh.
But I just watched Serral vs Inno Game 2 and wtf was that? The way he outmanouvered Innos nukes by constantly repositioning the spores and even baiting Innos army into them in the end. Inno looked so helpless and he was playing out of his mind. At the end Inno had lost 20k gas to Serrals 10k. Just crazy to see such high level ZvT out of a person who plays the top Koreans only a few times a year. If there is a god Maru and Serral meet in a final this year and we get the highest level TvZ of all time. But knowing how shit like this goes down it will probably be a one sided series with tons of 2 raxing.
not to discredit Serral, who is in fact, a legend, but late game Z is too cancerous. Infestors/Vipers need nerfs
It also doesn't seem Inno is in his best form lately, from WESG it went only down IMO
On August 02 2019 08:02 ChaosArcher wrote: Hyped for day 2! Groups look real stacked. I think this might actually be one of the hardest groups Serral could have gotten. Can always see him drop Bo3s against Drogo and Neeb tbh.
But I just watched Serral vs Inno Game 2 and wtf was that? The way he outmanouvered Innos nukes by constantly repositioning the spores and even baiting Innos army into them in the end. Inno looked so helpless and he was playing out of his mind. At the end Inno had lost 20k gas to Serrals 10k. Just crazy to see such high level ZvT out of a person who plays the top Koreans only a few times a year. If there is a god Maru and Serral meet in a final this year and we get the highest level TvZ of all time. But knowing how shit like this goes down it will probably be a one sided series with tons of 2 raxing.
not to discredit Serral, who is in fact, a legend, but late game Z is too cancerous. Infestors/Vipers need nerfs
It also doesn't seem Inno is in his best form lately, from WESG it went only down IMO
actually facts, he's not doing well this year despite winning a tourney
I think herO is advancing while I doubt Solar will; maybe Inno goes through.
Showtime seems on fire and, while I would love to see Ragnarok advance, I fear his ZvP isn't good enough to take Dear down.
Serral will be extensively tested in his weakest matchup. Zest should comfortably advance on top of his PvP, let's see exactly how good Serral really is in ZvP but he should definitely advance.
Group D is the most difficult to predict, Heromarine seems incapable of beating good koreans, Stats doesn't have a stellar TvP and seemed shaky today, Gumiho's level is hard to gauge and Reynor is not very consistent outside of WCS; let's say Reynor and Gumiho.
On August 02 2019 08:02 ChaosArcher wrote: Hyped for day 2! Groups look real stacked. I think this might actually be one of the hardest groups Serral could have gotten. Can always see him drop Bo3s against Drogo and Neeb tbh.
But I just watched Serral vs Inno Game 2 and wtf was that? The way he outmanouvered Innos nukes by constantly repositioning the spores and even baiting Innos army into them in the end. Inno looked so helpless and he was playing out of his mind. At the end Inno had lost 20k gas to Serrals 10k. Just crazy to see such high level ZvT out of a person who plays the top Koreans only a few times a year. If there is a god Maru and Serral meet in a final this year and we get the highest level TvZ of all time. But knowing how shit like this goes down it will probably be a one sided series with tons of 2 raxing.
not to discredit Serral, who is in fact, a legend, but late game Z is too cancerous. Infestors/Vipers need nerfs
Serral is the only top zerg who regularly crushes terrans in super lategame.
Maru wrecks zergs in extra lategame.
You may be correct, but I think at the highest levels - it is debatable.
Seems to me - the player better wins in ZvT/TvZ.
I would still think Maru is a favorite or at least an equal in a bo7 v any zerg playing today.
On August 02 2019 08:02 ChaosArcher wrote: Hyped for day 2! Groups look real stacked. I think this might actually be one of the hardest groups Serral could have gotten. Can always see him drop Bo3s against Drogo and Neeb tbh.
But I just watched Serral vs Inno Game 2 and wtf was that? The way he outmanouvered Innos nukes by constantly repositioning the spores and even baiting Innos army into them in the end. Inno looked so helpless and he was playing out of his mind. At the end Inno had lost 20k gas to Serrals 10k. Just crazy to see such high level ZvT out of a person who plays the top Koreans only a few times a year. If there is a god Maru and Serral meet in a final this year and we get the highest level TvZ of all time. But knowing how shit like this goes down it will probably be a one sided series with tons of 2 raxing.
not to discredit Serral, who is in fact, a legend, but late game Z is too cancerous. Infestors/Vipers need nerfs
Serral is the only top zerg who regularly crushes terrans in super lategame.
Maru wrecks zergs in extra lategame.
You may be correct, but I think at the highest levels - it is debatable.
Seems to me - the player better wins in ZvT/TvZ.
I would still think Maru is a favorite or at least an equal in a bo7 v any zerg playing today.
I'd really like to see our Finnish boy play against the disgusting (not in a bad way...I think haha) BC play Maru pulled out in WCG.
This tournament is brutal. You need to come first or second to have made any money. Even 3rd and 4th prize money is barely going to cover travel and accommodation expenses which players are responsible for. Asus really should have covered airfare and accommodation for participants of this tournament.
On August 02 2019 08:02 ChaosArcher wrote: Hyped for day 2! Groups look real stacked. I think this might actually be one of the hardest groups Serral could have gotten. Can always see him drop Bo3s against Drogo and Neeb tbh.
But I just watched Serral vs Inno Game 2 and wtf was that? The way he outmanouvered Innos nukes by constantly repositioning the spores and even baiting Innos army into them in the end. Inno looked so helpless and he was playing out of his mind. At the end Inno had lost 20k gas to Serrals 10k. Just crazy to see such high level ZvT out of a person who plays the top Koreans only a few times a year. If there is a god Maru and Serral meet in a final this year and we get the highest level TvZ of all time. But knowing how shit like this goes down it will probably be a one sided series with tons of 2 raxing.
not to discredit Serral, who is in fact, a legend, but late game Z is too cancerous. Infestors/Vipers need nerfs
Serral is the only top zerg who regularly crushes terrans in super lategame.
Maru wrecks zergs in extra lategame.
You may be correct, but I think at the highest levels - it is debatable.
Seems to me - the player better wins in ZvT/TvZ.
I would still think Maru is a favorite or at least an equal in a bo7 v any zerg playing today.
Lategame zerg is the worst thing in this game. Unfortunately, Blizzard seems to like the playstyle, which is why massing infestors behind static defence is still a thing while mass ravens and mass carriers (deservedly) got removed from the game.
On August 02 2019 08:02 ChaosArcher wrote: Hyped for day 2! Groups look real stacked. I think this might actually be one of the hardest groups Serral could have gotten. Can always see him drop Bo3s against Drogo and Neeb tbh.
But I just watched Serral vs Inno Game 2 and wtf was that? The way he outmanouvered Innos nukes by constantly repositioning the spores and even baiting Innos army into them in the end. Inno looked so helpless and he was playing out of his mind. At the end Inno had lost 20k gas to Serrals 10k. Just crazy to see such high level ZvT out of a person who plays the top Koreans only a few times a year. If there is a god Maru and Serral meet in a final this year and we get the highest level TvZ of all time. But knowing how shit like this goes down it will probably be a one sided series with tons of 2 raxing.
not to discredit Serral, who is in fact, a legend, but late game Z is too cancerous. Infestors/Vipers need nerfs
Serral is the only top zerg who regularly crushes terrans in super lategame.
Maru wrecks zergs in extra lategame.
You may be correct, but I think at the highest levels - it is debatable.
Seems to me - the player better wins in ZvT/TvZ.
I would still think Maru is a favorite or at least an equal in a bo7 v any zerg playing today.
Lategame zerg is the worst thing in this game. Unfortunately, Blizzard seems to like the playstyle, which is why massing infestors behind static defence is still a thing while mass ravens and mass carriers (deservedly) got removed from the game.
My skill, ability and game knowledge are each variables that open the door for an incorrect assessment.
I stand by my assessment regarding Maru and Serral. The lategame isn't broken enough to give Serral or any zerg an auto win against at least one terran.
At weaker levels of play, many things feel 'broken' due to skill disparity and ease of execution.
Which at my level is why so many Zergs shed tears about O.P toss while believing they should get away with thoughtless and bland swarmhost play.
On August 02 2019 12:14 droppanda wrote: This tournament is brutal. You need to come first or second to have made any money. Even 3rd and 4th prize money is barely going to cover travel and accommodation expenses which players are responsible for. Asus really should have covered airfare and accommodation for participants of this tournament.
The prizepool is really reminiscence of the dreamhack tournaments of old. With the winner winning 10k and only the top8 get anything at all. I'd say it's reasonable for a weekend tournament that's independently hosted.
So my (Heart, not Head) predictions for the day is:
Group A: This group is absolutely nuts and the undoubtedly the group of Death. it would be more scary if Solar was swapped for Serral, but I think this is scary enough with 4 Koreans. As for me, hoping for a soO/herO result.
herO vs Innovation soO vs Solar
soO vs herO Innovation vs Solar
herO vs Innovation
Group B: Another strong group, Showtime and Dear look a cut above the rest, and as a Toss main, they have my vote, Time looks great but I think his TvP is just a bit short of beating Dear and Showtime. Showtime (who is 4-0 vs Koreans this tourney) advances first with superb vZ and vP followed by Dear who beats Time twice.
Dear vs Time Showtime vs Ragnarok
Showtime vs Dear Time vs Ragnarok
Dear vs Ragnarok
Group C: I'm gonna be honest, I fear for Neeb, him beating Serral would be more likely at the start of the year when he had better vZ, but now... I don't know. Don't know much about his or Zest's vP so not sure how that'll matchup. My head is Serral/Zest but my heart is Neeb/Serral (or Neeb/Zest but I don't think Serral will allow that to happen).
Either way: Serral vs Ptitdrogo Neeb vs Zest (Hoping)
Neeb vs Serral Zest vs Ptitdrogo
Serral vs Zest
Group D: With Stats form yesterday I think this group might be more difficult to predict. I still have my favorites if he does show up today. This group is still crazy though. Anyone can go through in my honest opinion. Still gonna go with Stats/Reynor though.
Reynor vs Stats Gumiho vs HeroMarine
Reynor vs Gumiho Stats vs HeroMarine
Stats vs Gumiho
As a result, these are my (once again, Heart, not Head, although some do make sense in my head too) predictions: In advancing order: Group A: soO, herO Group B: Showtime, Dear Group C: Neeb, Serral Group D: Reynor, Stats I can also see that I predicted 0 Terrans to advance to the Ro8, and with this roster of Terrans I can see this happening. Honestly, it's up to Innovation and Gumiho to carry the Terran banner, I don't think Time can do it (But I'd like to be pleasantly surprised if Time does upset Dear)
Man, I'm really upset with the casting. Someone else is casting with Tod and he's lisping (or something like that).. It feels uncomfortable listening so I have to watch secondary streams.
On August 02 2019 15:55 digmouse wrote: Holy F that group A and C.
I think D is going to be exciting too.
Group A: Innovation & Soo (it's a heart over head call) Group B: Showtime & Dear (I really want Showtime to advance) Group C: Serral & Zest (I think these two are most likely to advance) Group D: Reynor & Stats (IMO this is the hardest group to predict since anyone could make it out)
On August 02 2019 15:00 Za7oX wrote: group A could be Ro4 of GSL @_@
Nowadays not. Both soO and Inno are in their worse part of the year(not in the RO16 of Code S), herO isn't the herO we used to know. The irony of this is that Solar seems to me the best player in the group, crazy. But maybe soO will find his lost mojo, Innovation will find his lost installation disk and does format & reinstall. And herO will find his smile
On August 02 2019 16:08 Ej_ wrote: There's group A and then there's the rest lol
Serral & Showtime > Group A
Serral, certainly. I don't know about Showtime. A single good run doesn't define a player's overall strength. He's also getting up there in the age department. At 25, it'll really be hard to improve much, which is not to say it's impossible.
Speaking of age, it's getting harder to see young talents getting into SC2, which is why in some ways I've been just as happy for Reynor's success as Serral's. If we can't get more kids to get into SC2, the game will eventually die.
Group A: Solar and Inno Group B: Dear and Showtime Group C: Serral and Zest Group D: Stats and Gumiho
Least confident about group A, but Inno bias! Gumiho > Reynor feels right to me because even if Reynor has improved against mech, surely Gumiho, even in poor form, is much better than Big Gabe. Could be wrong though.
What comes to top Euro-Zergs, I tend to think its Reynor whom have better chance to make it to the finals, but all-Korean Ro4-scenario doesn't feel now too far-fetched either. Tournament would go little bit anti-climatic from Finnish perspective if Serral manages to blow this up now. But, but, lol my predictions lol, Finnish Serral Fanboi's insecurity speaks now.
At least I got that Zhuge stealing a map from Serral right!
Hope Zest shows up in his entertaining, good form and not his "float 2k mins on one gateway" form. Though judging by his results yesterday he seems to be doing fine.
The topic has a wrong stream. AssemblySC2 is not streaming. There is only the twitch.tv/ROGTournament main stream. Other streams here with group allocations.
On August 02 2019 19:38 TheGoatPuncher wrote: Anyone have the stats on the ZvZ of Solar and soO? I'd imagine soO's favoured pretty hard in this next match?
soO is 46–32 (58.97%) in games and 19–10 (65.52%) in matches against Solar
Showtime is playing so good these days, its nice to see. His unit control has been so clean, maybe floating a bit too much minerals but overall super impressed.
I know people seem to like Creighton Olsen's casting for some reason but I gotta say, his game knowledge is really really poor and in a solo cast, it's a bit too obvious for me. I feel like he says so many words but none of them every have any value.
On August 02 2019 19:38 TheGoatPuncher wrote: Anyone have the stats on the ZvZ of Solar and soO? I'd imagine soO's favoured pretty hard in this next match?
It's 46-32(19-10) in favor of soO who won the last three bo3, each time going to the decider; not as onesided as one could think.
On August 02 2019 19:38 TheGoatPuncher wrote: Anyone have the stats on the ZvZ of Solar and soO? I'd imagine soO's favoured pretty hard in this next match?
It's 46-32(19-10) in favor of soO who won the last three bo3, each time going to the decider; not as onesided as one could think.
Oh. Well that's interesting. Does soO seem particularly susceptible to some build Solar might pull?
On August 02 2019 19:42 blooblooblahblah wrote: I know people seem to like Creighton Olsen's casting for some reason but I gotta say, his game knowledge is really really poor and in a solo cast, it's a bit too obvious for me. I feel like he says so many words but none of them every have any value.
On August 02 2019 19:38 TheGoatPuncher wrote: Anyone have the stats on the ZvZ of Solar and soO? I'd imagine soO's favoured pretty hard in this next match?
It's 46-32(19-10) in favor of soO who won the last three bo3, each time going to the decider; not as onesided as one could think.
Oh. Well that's interesting. Does soO seem particularly susceptible to some build Solar might pull?
I suspect it's just Solar's form getting better while soO progressively declining this year, but I didn't watch those games so I can't really tell.
On August 02 2019 19:46 SuperFanBoy wrote: It sucks that a lot of the big matches aren't being streamed. I really wanted to watch showtime vs ragnarok.
Every match has a stream. Just not the main stream. Here is a list.
On August 02 2019 19:46 SuperFanBoy wrote: It sucks that a lot of the big matches aren't being streamed. I really wanted to watch showtime vs ragnarok.
Group B is streamed just not on the main stream...
On August 02 2019 19:50 blooblooblahblah wrote: wtf showtime is playing so well
well, he beat reynor 4-1 recently.
yeah i picked him as a favourite for this series but it's kinda crazy how he hasn't lost a game this tournament vs only koreans, and is generally in sick form. it wasn't too long ago that he had that emo twitter post and then injured himself.
On August 02 2019 20:03 Penev wrote: Showtime beating Rag isn't unexpected but the wall has been looking very solid lately. I wonder how far he can go.
I was expecting him to win this group because RagnaroK and Dear vs Protoss are just memes.
On August 02 2019 19:38 TheGoatPuncher wrote: Anyone have the stats on the ZvZ of Solar and soO? I'd imagine soO's favoured pretty hard in this next match?
soO is 46–32 (58.97%) in games and 19–10 (65.52%) in matches against Solar
On August 02 2019 19:38 TheGoatPuncher wrote: Anyone have the stats on the ZvZ of Solar and soO? I'd imagine soO's favoured pretty hard in this next match?
soO is 46–32 (58.97%) in games and 19–10 (65.52%) in matches against Solar
On August 02 2019 20:03 Penev wrote: Showtime beating Rag isn't unexpected but the wall has been looking very solid lately. I wonder how far he can go.
I was expecting him to win this group because RagnaroK and Dear vs Protoss are just memes.
yeah PvP really isn't Dear's thing, weird. Perhaps it brings out the derp in him earlier
On August 02 2019 19:38 TheGoatPuncher wrote: Anyone have the stats on the ZvZ of Solar and soO? I'd imagine soO's favoured pretty hard in this next match?
soO is 46–32 (58.97%) in games and 19–10 (65.52%) in matches against Solar
soOooo what happened?
not that surprising, Solar has been looking better than soO for a while
On August 02 2019 19:38 TheGoatPuncher wrote: Anyone have the stats on the ZvZ of Solar and soO? I'd imagine soO's favoured pretty hard in this next match?
soO is 46–32 (58.97%) in games and 19–10 (65.52%) in matches against Solar
On August 02 2019 19:38 TheGoatPuncher wrote: Anyone have the stats on the ZvZ of Solar and soO? I'd imagine soO's favoured pretty hard in this next match?
soO is 46–32 (58.97%) in games and 19–10 (65.52%) in matches against Solar
On August 02 2019 19:38 TheGoatPuncher wrote: Anyone have the stats on the ZvZ of Solar and soO? I'd imagine soO's favoured pretty hard in this next match?
soO is 46–32 (58.97%) in games and 19–10 (65.52%) in matches against Solar
On August 02 2019 19:38 TheGoatPuncher wrote: Anyone have the stats on the ZvZ of Solar and soO? I'd imagine soO's favoured pretty hard in this next match?
soO is 46–32 (58.97%) in games and 19–10 (65.52%) in matches against Solar
I don't really understand how Showtime lost that. He won the earlygame skirmish, he took no economic damage at any point and they both sat back and macro'd up... then Dear just rolled in and killed him. Weird.
On August 02 2019 20:17 Acrofales wrote: I don't really understand how Showtime lost that. He won the earlygame skirmish, he took no economic damage at any point and they both sat back and macro'd up... then Dear just rolled in and killed him. Weird.
He went 2 robo colossi while Dear went basically pure gateway units. If Showtime survived that, he would've been in a very good position but it was a bit of a weird style by Dear that isn't super popular. Not that 2 robo colossi is standard either, I've basically never seen it until this tournament where Showtime has done it twice now (and he beat Stats with it)
On August 02 2019 20:17 Acrofales wrote: I don't really understand how Showtime lost that. He won the earlygame skirmish, he took no economic damage at any point and they both sat back and macro'd up... then Dear just rolled in and killed him. Weird.
Showtime was going for an army that builds up more slowly. He needed more time.
On August 02 2019 20:46 Elentos wrote: This build's power has severely deteriorated over time. Even unscouted it barely works against the top Zergs anymore.
Doesn't help that it's basically countered by just queens and the lings you'd have made regardless because you saw hellions.
Ragnarok rallied all his overlords across the map to TIME. TIME killed them. Rag got supply blocked and started 9 overlords. Rag had no units and died to 16 marine counter attack.
On August 02 2019 21:26 HolydaKing wrote: OK nvm, Ragnarok probably isn't top3 KR zerg like I assumed some GSL thread earlier. TIME 2-1 Ragnarok. Probably Dark, then Rogue and Solar atm.
Ragnarok didn't perform well this time. Maybe like Dark, Solar and Rogue?
I dunno why herO took that 3rd though honestly. soO had a huge arc. On the other 3rd option soO would have been choked up and probably couldn't have done anything with mass roach headbutting.
herO will advance and I dont know why but I was so sure Time would advance and Showtime will go home. A bit sad for Showtime he has shows really good games
On August 02 2019 22:01 MarianoSC2 wrote: herO will advance and I dont know why but I was so sure Time would advance and Showtime will go home. A bit sad for Showtime he has shows really good games
Do we know if Newbee have a teamhouse? I was under the impression that all the teamhouses in korea have pretty much dissolved, with a few exceptions ofc.
On August 02 2019 22:04 Motlu wrote: Do we know if Newbee have a teamhouse? I was under the impression that all the teamhouses in korea have pretty much dissolved, with a few exceptions ofc.
Scarlett stays in the teamhouse of Newbee in June. She went back to South Korea in July.
Showtime has greedy 4th base and TIME lost lost time with 3-base normal play. So TIME does 2-base allin which punishes showtime's greedy play. That is part of the mind game. If showtime did not gain advantage with greedy play, they are like 50-50.
On August 02 2019 21:59 tilhorizon wrote: Time did get destroyed by showtime last time they played so he does 2 All ins with all the scv´s and wins
On August 02 2019 22:04 Motlu wrote: Do we know if Newbee have a teamhouse? I was under the impression that all the teamhouses in korea have pretty much dissolved, with a few exceptions ofc.
Newbee has a team house in Shanghai I think? But they only stayed there for 2 weeks during the Team League Offline matches back in June.
On August 02 2019 22:04 Motlu wrote: Do we know if Newbee have a teamhouse? I was under the impression that all the teamhouses in korea have pretty much dissolved, with a few exceptions ofc.
Scarlett stays in the teamhouse of Newbee in June. She went back to South Korea in July.
PS: Yes, TIME showed ShoWTimE.
Wow thats really interesting, might partially explain why Dear and TIME seem to be improving so much recently.
On August 02 2019 22:04 Motlu wrote: Do we know if Newbee have a teamhouse? I was under the impression that all the teamhouses in korea have pretty much dissolved, with a few exceptions ofc.
Scarlett stays in the teamhouse of Newbee in June. She went back to South Korea in July.
PS: Yes, TIME showed ShoWTimE.
Wow thats really interesting, might partially explain why Dear and TIME seem to be improving so much recently.
I'd give a lot of credits to the Chinese Team League. Korean players get steady income from clubs and can focus better on practice, and it gives Chinese players more chances to improve by practicing with Korean players.
On August 02 2019 22:04 Motlu wrote: Do we know if Newbee have a teamhouse? I was under the impression that all the teamhouses in korea have pretty much dissolved, with a few exceptions ofc.
Scarlett stays in the teamhouse of Newbee in June. She went back to South Korea in July.
PS: Yes, TIME showed ShoWTimE.
Wow thats really interesting, might partially explain why Dear and TIME seem to be improving so much recently.
both TSG and Newbee create a very good harmony environment between team members, and you can see players in this two teams have improved a lot recently (Time, Dear, Solar, hero)
I hated herO for so long for being a patch toss (in my opinion the most famous patch player of all time), but the older I am the more I appreciate his playstyle. Its down and dirty, hyper aggressive, when it fails it look unbelievable stupid, but it provides such fun and interesting games. I just find myself to root for him more and more lol
How he always manages to find that 1 or 2 things that the game provides in each patch iteration and exploit them to their full potential, there is just no other player like him. As someone else has said already, its like a random abuser from the ladder just with much better skill.
On August 02 2019 22:15 MarianoSC2 wrote: I hated herO for so long for being a patch toss (basically the most famous patch player of all time), but the older I am the more I appreciate his playstyle. Its down and dirty, hyper aggressive, when it fails it look unbelievable stupid, but it provides such fun and interesting games. I just find myself to root for him more and more lol
How he always manages to find that 1 or 2 things that the game provides in each patch iteration and exploit them to their full potential, there is just no other player like him. As someone else has said already, its like a random abuser from the ladder just with much better skill.
Now lets watch how herO cheeses out Inno :D
The most famous patchplayer of all time, are you kidding me?
Sure his Super Tournament win was highly patchy, but ever heard of Sniper and JonnyREcco?
On August 02 2019 22:15 MarianoSC2 wrote: I hated herO for so long for being a patch toss (basically the most famous patch player of all time), but the older I am the more I appreciate his playstyle. Its down and dirty, hyper aggressive, when it fails it look unbelievable stupid, but it provides such fun and interesting games. I just find myself to root for him more and more lol
How he always manages to find that 1 or 2 things that the game provides in each patch iteration and exploit them to their full potential, there is just no other player like him. As someone else has said already, its like a random abuser from the ladder just with much better skill.
Now lets watch how herO cheeses out Inno :D
Wtf?!?!? The most famous patch player? Is this a troll?
On August 02 2019 22:15 MarianoSC2 wrote: I hated herO for so long for being a patch toss (basically the most famous patch player of all time), but the older I am the more I appreciate his playstyle. Its down and dirty, hyper aggressive, when it fails it look unbelievable stupid, but it provides such fun and interesting games. I just find myself to root for him more and more lol
How he always manages to find that 1 or 2 things that the game provides in each patch iteration and exploit them to their full potential, there is just no other player like him. As someone else has said already, its like a random abuser from the ladder just with much better skill.
Now lets watch how herO cheeses out Inno :D
The most famous patchplayer of all time, are you kidding me?
Sure his Super Tournament win was highly patchy, but ever heard of Sniper and JonnyREcco?
Never saw those guys play... For me, herO fits the bill the most from the players I have seen. He owned it during blink era, and then owned it during adept era. He always disappeared when the "OP things" got patched. I am not saying he was a bad player in general, he was always good but he had periods where he looked like the best in the world because of his ability to exploit the patch BS
On August 02 2019 22:15 MarianoSC2 wrote: I hated herO for so long for being a patch toss (basically the most famous patch player of all time), but the older I am the more I appreciate his playstyle. Its down and dirty, hyper aggressive, when it fails it look unbelievable stupid, but it provides such fun and interesting games. I just find myself to root for him more and more lol
How he always manages to find that 1 or 2 things that the game provides in each patch iteration and exploit them to their full potential, there is just no other player like him. As someone else has said already, its like a random abuser from the ladder just with much better skill.
Now lets watch how herO cheeses out Inno :D
The most famous patchplayer of all time, are you kidding me?
Sure his Super Tournament win was highly patchy, but ever heard of Sniper and JonnyREcco?
Never saw those guys play... For me, herO fits the bill the most from the players I have seen. He owned it during blink era, and then owned it during adept era. He always disappeared when the "OP things" got patched. I am not saying he was a bad player in general, but he had periods where he looked like the best in the world because of his ability to exploit the patch BS
So why talking about all time if you only started watching after the era that created the term "patch*race" :o. But yes herO is kind of a patchprotoss compared to Stats / Classic or even Zest who are able to stay relevant across patches
On August 02 2019 22:15 MarianoSC2 wrote: I hated herO for so long for being a patch toss (basically the most famous patch player of all time), but the older I am the more I appreciate his playstyle. Its down and dirty, hyper aggressive, when it fails it look unbelievable stupid, but it provides such fun and interesting games. I just find myself to root for him more and more lol
How he always manages to find that 1 or 2 things that the game provides in each patch iteration and exploit them to their full potential, there is just no other player like him. As someone else has said already, its like a random abuser from the ladder just with much better skill.
Now lets watch how herO cheeses out Inno :D
The most famous patchplayer of all time, are you kidding me?
Sure his Super Tournament win was highly patchy, but ever heard of Sniper and JonnyREcco?
Never saw those guys play... For me, herO fits the bill the most from the players I have seen. He owned it during blink era, and then owned it during adept era. He always disappeared when the "OP things" got patched. I am not saying he was a bad player in general, but he had periods where he looked like the best in the world because of his ability to exploit the patch BS
So why talking about all time if you only started watching after the era that created the term "patch*race" :o.
Yes I know I edited a bit My bad. Really didn't want to trigger
Find it difficult to consider CJ's ace and the guy only 1 map win shy of being the winningest player in SC2 Proleague history a patchtoss but hey to each their own.
On August 02 2019 22:49 MockHamill wrote: This is why I hate TvP. One mistake and you lose the game before it even started. And on top of that you must avoid late game at all cost.
On August 02 2019 23:01 Xain0n wrote: By the way, herO was sent by Assassin's Guild to slay Serral and he openly stated it; ASUS ROG should give Serral one healthy amount of bodyguards.
I would love to see this match ! Think Serral would just totally dumpster herO and make his strats look like bronze league but it sure would be fun to watch.
On August 02 2019 23:54 Schelim wrote: who's the guy that isn't Rotti and where is he from?
Well he is from the UK, that much is easy to tell He's called Grant apparently and it's the same guy who utterly Brittished the HSC, so he'll be fine here.
On August 02 2019 23:54 Schelim wrote: who's the guy that isn't Rotti and where is he from?
Well he is from the UK, that much is easy to tell He's called Grant apparently and it's the same guy who utterly Brittished the HSC, so he'll be fine here.
yeah, i was more wondering where in the UK he was from
thanks. i didn't mean my question in any negative way, just genuinely curious.
On August 03 2019 00:53 SamirDuran wrote: Looks like stats is doing late game practice against reynor? He could've ended reynor earlier but he chose to wait for the mothership instead.
Feels more like he tried to practice lategame on the first map and then decided to kill him right before infestors come out.
From Broodwar until now I have felt my race is the best race. Never understood anyone who complains.
If I truly thought protoss or terran were better ... if I truly thought that - I would play them.
Most of the games I lose to protoss, they trick me, out macro me, beat me in a war ... ect ect.... I never lose and think "It is because of the damn programmers I lost this one".
If I was a competitor who thought that way.. I would expect to have a crap career.
On August 03 2019 01:32 Silvanel wrote: The other guy. I guess Grant (Grant Hill) judging by list of comentators. I usually do not have problem with no native speakers (like Harstem).
what was really impressive was serral target firing the sentries when he jumped on the protoss units, which allowed him to retreat after he was done killing the weak units off creep. that way when the next push came he could jump on the immortals, putting him in a winning position.
On August 03 2019 01:49 MockHamill wrote: Serral making the Koreans look like low GM.
Not a single top4 Korean player is there. If we consider Serral top4 player of the world, isn't he supposed to kill them? soO and Inno not in top for and nowhere near it, Zest isn't the top championship player anymore(at least for 2k19). Who else of the top Koreans is there? Solar? When Solar looks like the best Korean in the tournament you have an issue (on the other hand we're missing Maru, Trap, Classic and the last Code S showed some promise about TY and Rogue)
edit> maybe Stats but except Katowice he didn't show much...
what was really impressive was serral target firing the sentries when he jumped on the protoss units, which allowed him to retreat after he was done killing the weak units off creep. that way when the next push came he could jump on the immortals, putting him in a winning position.
On August 03 2019 02:01 Latr02 wrote: Over the last year and some change Gabe is 0-7 in matches and 2-16 in maps against Korean Protoss. A win here would be huge.
On August 03 2019 02:01 Latr02 wrote: Over the last year and some change Gabe is 0-7 in matches and 2-16 in maps against Korean Protoss. A win here would be huge.
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life would surely be fighting for a GSL title, have you actually looked at Maru's or Serral's mechanics? Where do you see the decay? This tale about foreigners winning because koreans became weak is so delusional.
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
Of course that now when he's not a pro and lost connection he won't be the absolute top, duh. Armstrong wouldn't be near the top nowadays either
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
... yeah probably. Plus he'd only use his left foot to play the game.
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life would surely be fighting for a GSL title, have you actually looked at Maru's or Serral's mechanics? Where do you see the decay? This tale about foreigners winning because koreans became weak is so delusional.
But you keep telling us how weak code S has become
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
He isnt training as pro and its a ladder match so? Competition now days is a joke. Is the same when sc was dying and Flash and JD dominated
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
... yeah probably. Plus he'd only use his left foot to play the game.
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life would surely be fighting for a GSL title, have you actually looked at Maru's or Serral's mechanics? Where do you see the decay? This tale about foreigners winning because koreans became weak is so delusional.
How delusional can you be to not realize that the Korean scene is way weaker than it ever has been before?
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
He isnt training as pro and its a ladder match so? Competition now days is a joke. Is the same when sc was dying and Flash and JD dominated
LOL. sc wasn't dying. Blizzard killed our scene to consolidate power and release a new game where they had control.
You have no factual basis for your claim. Sponsorship were still over 200k for these guys at the time.
Just because the first phase of stars are phased out by more talented gamers, does not mean the game has died.
Creighton reminds me of whoever fan-cast that Boxer v Joyo match on Paradox where Boxer chased down the carriers with dropship goliaths on the islands.
If the Kespa teams were still in full swing the level of play would be much much higher than we are seeing today. But it is what it is.
I can't see Serral not winning this tournament. No one remaining should give him much trouble besides Stats maybe. Group A got rid of both Inno and Soo.
On August 03 2019 02:13 Moonerz wrote: If the Kespa teams were still in full swing the level of play would be much much higher than we are seeing today. But it is what it is.
I can't see Serral not winning this tournament. No one remaining should give him much trouble besides Stats maybe. Group A got rid of both Inno and Soo.
Reynor is not out yet. And that guy is fully capable of beating Serral.
On August 03 2019 02:13 Moonerz wrote: If the Kespa teams were still in full swing the level of play would be much much higher than we are seeing today. But it is what it is.
I can't see Serral not winning this tournament. No one remaining should give him much trouble besides Stats maybe. Group A got rid of both Inno and Soo.
Would they though? Both don't play exceptionally well
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life would surely be fighting for a GSL title, have you actually looked at Maru's or Serral's mechanics? Where do you see the decay? This tale about foreigners winning because koreans became weak is so delusional.
But you keep telling us how weak code S has become
The korean scene has lost depth, I keep telling you that Code A is weaker and that taking Code S titles consecutively is easier(winner privileges play a role in that); winning Code S is still pretty hard and the top korean players are still very strong.
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
He isnt training as pro and its a ladder match so? Competition now days is a joke. Is the same when sc was dying and Flash and JD dominated
LOL. sc wasn't dying. Blizzard killed our scene to consolidate power and release a new game where they had control.
You have no factual basis for your claim. Sponsorship were still over 200k for these guys at the time.
Just because the first phase of stars are phased out by more talented gamers, does not mean the game has died.
LOL
After Savior (the best SC zerg player ever) incident SC was dying badly. Foreing scene was non existent (our clan tot dismantled, mondi, testie, draco, etc all retired). In korea lvl was also very weak, flash at first was low cheeser and gained the throne with weak competition such as a mediocre bisu and jd.
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
He isnt training as pro and its a ladder match so? Competition now days is a joke. Is the same when sc was dying and Flash and JD dominated
LOL. sc wasn't dying. Blizzard killed our scene to consolidate power and release a new game where they had control.
You have no factual basis for your claim. Sponsorship were still over 200k for these guys at the time.
Just because the first phase of stars are phased out by more talented gamers, does not mean the game has died.
LOL
After Savior (the best SC zerg player ever) incident SC was dying badly. Foreing scene was non existent (our clan tot dismantled, mondi, testie, draco, etc all retired). In korea lvl was also very weak, flash at first was low cheeser and gained the throne with weak competition such as a mediocre bisu and jd.
Wow, you're gonna trigger a lot of Bisu and JD fans with that. :D
On August 03 2019 02:13 Moonerz wrote: If the Kespa teams were still in full swing the level of play would be much much higher than we are seeing today. But it is what it is.
I can't see Serral not winning this tournament. No one remaining should give him much trouble besides Stats maybe. Group A got rid of both Inno and Soo.
Would they though? Both don't play exceptionally well
They weren't before winning Katowice and IEM, and they didn't after those victories. Yet they won.
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
He isnt training as pro and its a ladder match so? Competition now days is a joke. Is the same when sc was dying and Flash and JD dominated
LOL. sc wasn't dying. Blizzard killed our scene to consolidate power and release a new game where they had control.
You have no factual basis for your claim. Sponsorship were still over 200k for these guys at the time.
Just because the first phase of stars are phased out by more talented gamers, does not mean the game has died.
LOL
After Savior (the best SC zerg player ever) incident SC was dying badly. Foreing scene was non existent (our clan tot dismantled, mondi, testie, draco, etc all retired). In korea lvl was also very weak, flash at first was low cheeser and gained the throne with weak competition such as a mediocre bisu and jd.
Wow, you're gonna trigger a lot of Bisu and JD fans with that. :D
Do they even exist? I only rember good players such as garimto, boxer, yellow, nada, savior, etc. I played SC since 98 till 2007 then competition was very low and borring. I remember in good times there were especial servers (wgtour and others).
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
He isnt training as pro and its a ladder match so? Competition now days is a joke. Is the same when sc was dying and Flash and JD dominated
LOL. sc wasn't dying. Blizzard killed our scene to consolidate power and release a new game where they had control.
You have no factual basis for your claim. Sponsorship were still over 200k for these guys at the time.
Just because the first phase of stars are phased out by more talented gamers, does not mean the game has died.
LOL
After Savior (the best SC zerg player ever) incident SC was dying badly. Foreing scene was non existent (our clan tot dismantled, mondi, testie, draco, etc all retired). In korea lvl was also very weak, flash at first was low cheeser and gained the throne with weak competition such as a mediocre bisu and jd.
Wow, you're gonna trigger a lot of Bisu and JD fans with that. :D
Do they even exist? I only rember good players such as garimto, boxer, yellow, nada, savior, etc. I played SC since 98 till 2007 then competition was very low and borring. I remember in good times there were especial servers (wgtour and others).
Yea, they exist. Jaedong was the strongest/best Zerg of all time. I'm one of the triggered Jaedong fans that you were told about.
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
He isnt training as pro and its a ladder match so? Competition now days is a joke. Is the same when sc was dying and Flash and JD dominated
LOL. sc wasn't dying. Blizzard killed our scene to consolidate power and release a new game where they had control.
You have no factual basis for your claim. Sponsorship were still over 200k for these guys at the time.
Just because the first phase of stars are phased out by more talented gamers, does not mean the game has died.
LOL
After Savior (the best SC zerg player ever) incident SC was dying badly. Foreing scene was non existent (our clan tot dismantled, mondi, testie, draco, etc all retired). In korea lvl was also very weak, flash at first was low cheeser and gained the throne with weak competition such as a mediocre bisu and jd.
Mechanically - Savior was an inaccurate joke and already a sagging failure as Jaedong took over. Effort overtook him as the best zerg on his own team long before that, Idra talked about Effort being the best on the team long before Savior was found out to be using his position to destroy people.
Savior was good before Protoss knew how to fast expand and when Terrans still played 1 base style or 2 base all-ins.
You have no metric for anything your say. Mondi, Testie, Draco all have retired and unretired so many times it is pointless to point to one time.
We never had a scene other then WCG and tl.net - if by scene you mean tournaments with money.
Iccup exploded with top koreans after the match fixing scandle (unrelated). Ret, who was better then everyone you mentioned, was playing as were many others.
Sounds more like, you were young once and had a decent life and things were good - you got older and your life is hard, so you shit on things.
Nobody from this games past could last a tournament with these guys. Savior couldn't qualify for a BW league even if he wasn't banned for life.
Your wrong to the point of revisionism.
Same type of person says "Bobby Fischer would be god if he played today", Nope. He would get dunked on by the entire top ten... or Bruce Lee would be a champion figher ..... Nope, just a small guy with great theatrical and athletic ability who would lose to a similarly sized female ufc fighter.
Savior was good for a few years and then was garbage for the last few years. Forget Adrenal much?
(been playing since 99 - on every server, including the polish and chinese ones, I was here for the wdtour scam and wgtour and gamei and everything else, r.i.p fish)
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
He isnt training as pro and its a ladder match so? Competition now days is a joke. Is the same when sc was dying and Flash and JD dominated
LOL. sc wasn't dying. Blizzard killed our scene to consolidate power and release a new game where they had control.
You have no factual basis for your claim. Sponsorship were still over 200k for these guys at the time.
Just because the first phase of stars are phased out by more talented gamers, does not mean the game has died.
LOL
Lol. The game was so borrig at that time. I remember even szisky was considered best foreing at that time. So low level, there not even international tournaments with koreans.
After Savior (the best SC zerg player ever) incident SC was dying badly. Foreing scene was non existent (our clan tot dismantled, mondi, testie, draco, etc all retired). In korea lvl was also very weak, flash at first was low cheeser and gained the throne with weak competition such as a mediocre bisu and jd.
Wow, you're gonna trigger a lot of Bisu and JD fans with that. :D
Do they even exist? I only rember good players such as garimto, boxer, yellow, nada, savior, etc. I played SC since 98 till 2007 then competition was very low and borring. I remember in good times there were especial servers (wgtour and others).
Yea, they exist. Jaedong was the strongest/best Zerg of all time. I'm one of the triggered Jaedong fans that you were told about.
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life would surely be fighting for a GSL title, have you actually looked at Maru's or Serral's mechanics? Where do you see the decay? This tale about foreigners winning because koreans became weak is so delusional.
But you keep telling us how weak code S has become
The korean scene has lost depth, I keep telling you that Code A is weaker and that taking Code S titles consecutively is easier(winner privileges play a role in that); winning Code S is still pretty hard and the top korean players are still very strong.
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
He isnt training as pro and its a ladder match so? Competition now days is a joke. Is the same when sc was dying and Flash and JD dominated
LOL. sc wasn't dying. Blizzard killed our scene to consolidate power and release a new game where they had control.
You have no factual basis for your claim. Sponsorship were still over 200k for these guys at the time.
Just because the first phase of stars are phased out by more talented gamers, does not mean the game has died.
LOL
After Savior (the best SC zerg player ever) incident SC was dying badly. Foreing scene was non existent (our clan tot dismantled, mondi, testie, draco, etc all retired). In korea lvl was also very weak, flash at first was low cheeser and gained the throne with weak competition such as a mediocre bisu and jd.
Mechanically - Savior was an inaccurate joke and already a sagging failure as Jaedong took over. Effort overtook him as the best zerg on his own team long before that, Idra talked about Effort being the best on the team long before Savior was found out to be using his position to destroy people.
Savior was good before Protoss knew how to fast expand and when Terrans still played 1 base style or 2 base all-ins.
You have no metric for anything your say. Mondi, Testie, Draco all have retired and unretired so many times it is pointless to point to one time.
We never had a scene other then WCG and tl.net - if by scene you mean tournaments with money.
Iccup exploded with top koreans after the match fixing scandle (unrelated). Ret, who was better then everyone you mentioned, was playing as were many others.
Sounds more like, you were young once and had a decent life and things were good - you got older and your life is hard, so you shit on things.
Nobody from this games past could last a tournament with these guys. Savior couldn't qualify for a BW league even if he wasn't banned for life.
Your wrong to the point of revisionism.
Same type of person says "Bobby Fischer would be god if he played today", Nope. He would get dunked on by the entire top ten... or Bruce Lee would be a champion figher ..... Nope, just a small guy with great theatrical and athletic ability who would lose to a similarly sized female ufc fighter.
Savior was good for a few years and then was garbage for the last few years. Forget Adrenal much?
LOL sorry Ret was in ToT)( with me and he was never considered better than mondi, testie, sen in their prime. You should see the wars between tot)( and pg (then with mym ). And the rest of your comment is so incorrect I will not even bother. BTW there were many international tournaments and the SC scene was bigger than sc2.
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
He isnt training as pro and its a ladder match so? Competition now days is a joke. Is the same when sc was dying and Flash and JD dominated
LOL. sc wasn't dying. Blizzard killed our scene to consolidate power and release a new game where they had control.
You have no factual basis for your claim. Sponsorship were still over 200k for these guys at the time.
Just because the first phase of stars are phased out by more talented gamers, does not mean the game has died.
LOL
After Savior (the best SC zerg player ever) incident SC was dying badly. Foreing scene was non existent (our clan tot dismantled, mondi, testie, draco, etc all retired). In korea lvl was also very weak, flash at first was low cheeser and gained the throne with weak competition such as a mediocre bisu and jd.
Mechanically - Savior was an inaccurate joke and already a sagging failure as Jaedong took over. Effort overtook him as the best zerg on his own team long before that, Idra talked about Effort being the best on the team long before Savior was found out to be using his position to destroy people.
Savior was good before Protoss knew how to fast expand and when Terrans still played 1 base style or 2 base all-ins.
You have no metric for anything your say. Mondi, Testie, Draco all have retired and unretired so many times it is pointless to point to one time.
We never had a scene other then WCG and tl.net - if by scene you mean tournaments with money.
Iccup exploded with top koreans after the match fixing scandle (unrelated). Ret, who was better then everyone you mentioned, was playing as were many others.
Sounds more like, you were young once and had a decent life and things were good - you got older and your life is hard, so you shit on things.
Nobody from this games past could last a tournament with these guys. Savior couldn't qualify for a BW league even if he wasn't banned for life.
Your wrong to the point of revisionism.
Same type of person says "Bobby Fischer would be god if he played today", Nope. He would get dunked on by the entire top ten... or Bruce Lee would be a champion figher ..... Nope, just a small guy with great theatrical and athletic ability who would lose to a similarly sized female ufc fighter.
Savior was good for a few years and then was garbage for the last few years. Forget Adrenal much?
LOL sorry Ret was in ToT)( with me and he was never considered better than mondi, testie, sen in their prime. You should see the wars between tot)( and pg (then with mym ). And the rest of your comment is so incorrect I will not even bother. BTW there were many international tournaments and the SC scene was bigger than sc2.
You missed the part of the scene were Ret was the clear best in the world. It happened after your ass claims the scene was dead.
I watched EVERY war between ToT and PG.
I have been here FOREVER.
I was watching when Grrrr... first went to korea on broodwar.net and battlereports.com
You aren't schooling me. And, you Sir, clearly do not know anything about which you speak.
The mechanics of broodwar in 2006-2007 are a childs impression of what became in 09-11.
You sound like someone claiming "The Coca Cola final between yellow and boxer was the best broodwar ever played".
Nope. Just more old man nostalgia.
Also, I played with both Ret and Testie. Many games. Your street cred is denied.
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
He isnt training as pro and its a ladder match so? Competition now days is a joke. Is the same when sc was dying and Flash and JD dominated
LOL. sc wasn't dying. Blizzard killed our scene to consolidate power and release a new game where they had control.
You have no factual basis for your claim. Sponsorship were still over 200k for these guys at the time.
Just because the first phase of stars are phased out by more talented gamers, does not mean the game has died.
LOL
After Savior (the best SC zerg player ever) incident SC was dying badly. Foreing scene was non existent (our clan tot dismantled, mondi, testie, draco, etc all retired). In korea lvl was also very weak, flash at first was low cheeser and gained the throne with weak competition such as a mediocre bisu and jd.
Mechanically - Savior was an inaccurate joke and already a sagging failure as Jaedong took over. Effort overtook him as the best zerg on his own team long before that, Idra talked about Effort being the best on the team long before Savior was found out to be using his position to destroy people.
Savior was good before Protoss knew how to fast expand and when Terrans still played 1 base style or 2 base all-ins.
You have no metric for anything your say. Mondi, Testie, Draco all have retired and unretired so many times it is pointless to point to one time.
We never had a scene other then WCG and tl.net - if by scene you mean tournaments with money.
Iccup exploded with top koreans after the match fixing scandle (unrelated). Ret, who was better then everyone you mentioned, was playing as were many others.
Sounds more like, you were young once and had a decent life and things were good - you got older and your life is hard, so you shit on things.
Nobody from this games past could last a tournament with these guys. Savior couldn't qualify for a BW league even if he wasn't banned for life.
Your wrong to the point of revisionism.
Same type of person says "Bobby Fischer would be god if he played today", Nope. He would get dunked on by the entire top ten... or Bruce Lee would be a champion figher ..... Nope, just a small guy with great theatrical and athletic ability who would lose to a similarly sized female ufc fighter.
Savior was good for a few years and then was garbage for the last few years. Forget Adrenal much?
LOL sorry Ret was in ToT)( with me and he was never considered better than mondi, testie, sen in their prime. You should see the wars between tot)( and pg (then with mym ). And the rest of your comment is so incorrect I will not even bother. BTW there were many international tournaments and the SC scene was bigger than sc2.
You missed the part of the scene were Ret was the clear best in the world. It happened after your ass claims the scene was dead.
I watched EVERY war between ToT and PG.
I have been here FOREVER.
I was watching when Grrrr... first went to korea on broodwar.net and battlereports.com
You aren't schooling me. And, you Sir, clearly do not know anything about which you speak.
The mechanics of broodwar in 2006-2007 are a childs impression of what became in 09-11.
You sound like someone claiming "The Coca Cola final between yellow and boxer was the best broodwar ever played".
Nope. Just more old man nostalgia.
Also, I played with both Ret and Testie. Many games. Your street cred is denied.
It was after 2007 so it doesnt count. Achivement after 2008 doesnt count because bw was a dead game. An coca cola final and savior vs nada were the best finals ever period. Mechanics in 2006 were better then in 2009
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
He isnt training as pro and its a ladder match so? Competition now days is a joke. Is the same when sc was dying and Flash and JD dominated
LOL. sc wasn't dying. Blizzard killed our scene to consolidate power and release a new game where they had control.
You have no factual basis for your claim. Sponsorship were still over 200k for these guys at the time.
Just because the first phase of stars are phased out by more talented gamers, does not mean the game has died.
LOL
After Savior (the best SC zerg player ever) incident SC was dying badly. Foreing scene was non existent (our clan tot dismantled, mondi, testie, draco, etc all retired). In korea lvl was also very weak, flash at first was low cheeser and gained the throne with weak competition such as a mediocre bisu and jd.
Mechanically - Savior was an inaccurate joke and already a sagging failure as Jaedong took over. Effort overtook him as the best zerg on his own team long before that, Idra talked about Effort being the best on the team long before Savior was found out to be using his position to destroy people.
Savior was good before Protoss knew how to fast expand and when Terrans still played 1 base style or 2 base all-ins.
You have no metric for anything your say. Mondi, Testie, Draco all have retired and unretired so many times it is pointless to point to one time.
We never had a scene other then WCG and tl.net - if by scene you mean tournaments with money.
Iccup exploded with top koreans after the match fixing scandle (unrelated). Ret, who was better then everyone you mentioned, was playing as were many others.
Sounds more like, you were young once and had a decent life and things were good - you got older and your life is hard, so you shit on things.
Nobody from this games past could last a tournament with these guys. Savior couldn't qualify for a BW league even if he wasn't banned for life.
Your wrong to the point of revisionism.
Same type of person says "Bobby Fischer would be god if he played today", Nope. He would get dunked on by the entire top ten... or Bruce Lee would be a champion figher ..... Nope, just a small guy with great theatrical and athletic ability who would lose to a similarly sized female ufc fighter.
Savior was good for a few years and then was garbage for the last few years. Forget Adrenal much?
LOL sorry Ret was in ToT)( with me and he was never considered better than mondi, testie, sen in their prime. You should see the wars between tot)( and pg (then with mym ). And the rest of your comment is so incorrect I will not even bother. BTW there were many international tournaments and the SC scene was bigger than sc2.
You missed the part of the scene were Ret was the clear best in the world. It happened after your ass claims the scene was dead.
I watched EVERY war between ToT and PG.
I have been here FOREVER.
I was watching when Grrrr... first went to korea on broodwar.net and battlereports.com
You aren't schooling me. And, you Sir, clearly do not know anything about which you speak.
The mechanics of broodwar in 2006-2007 are a childs impression of what became in 09-11.
You sound like someone claiming "The Coca Cola final between yellow and boxer was the best broodwar ever played".
Nope. Just more old man nostalgia.
Also, I played with both Ret and Testie. Many games. Your street cred is denied.
It was after 2007 so it doesnt count. Achivement after 2008 doesnt count because bw was a dead game. An coca cola final and savior vs nada were the best finals ever period. Mechanics in 2006 were better then in 2009
I get it. You say stupid things on the internet. Got it. Bye Felica.
On August 03 2019 02:02 TheAnarchy wrote: If Life would be playing he probably won 10 gsl in a row with this low level (except he purporsly lost one for the fun).
Life was playing on ladder and got trashed by aLive. Nuff said, old stars can’t keep up forever ^^.
He is so overrated it’s not funny anymore, especially since he is a match fixer
He isnt training as pro and its a ladder match so? Competition now days is a joke. Is the same when sc was dying and Flash and JD dominated
LOL. sc wasn't dying. Blizzard killed our scene to consolidate power and release a new game where they had control.
You have no factual basis for your claim. Sponsorship were still over 200k for these guys at the time.
Just because the first phase of stars are phased out by more talented gamers, does not mean the game has died.
LOL
After Savior (the best SC zerg player ever) incident SC was dying badly. Foreing scene was non existent (our clan tot dismantled, mondi, testie, draco, etc all retired). In korea lvl was also very weak, flash at first was low cheeser and gained the throne with weak competition such as a mediocre bisu and jd.
Mechanically - Savior was an inaccurate joke and already a sagging failure as Jaedong took over. Effort overtook him as the best zerg on his own team long before that, Idra talked about Effort being the best on the team long before Savior was found out to be using his position to destroy people.
Savior was good before Protoss knew how to fast expand and when Terrans still played 1 base style or 2 base all-ins.
You have no metric for anything your say. Mondi, Testie, Draco all have retired and unretired so many times it is pointless to point to one time.
We never had a scene other then WCG and tl.net - if by scene you mean tournaments with money.
Iccup exploded with top koreans after the match fixing scandle (unrelated). Ret, who was better then everyone you mentioned, was playing as were many others.
Sounds more like, you were young once and had a decent life and things were good - you got older and your life is hard, so you shit on things.
Nobody from this games past could last a tournament with these guys. Savior couldn't qualify for a BW league even if he wasn't banned for life.
Your wrong to the point of revisionism.
Same type of person says "Bobby Fischer would be god if he played today", Nope. He would get dunked on by the entire top ten... or Bruce Lee would be a champion figher ..... Nope, just a small guy with great theatrical and athletic ability who would lose to a similarly sized female ufc fighter.
Savior was good for a few years and then was garbage for the last few years. Forget Adrenal much?
LOL sorry Ret was in ToT)( with me and he was never considered better than mondi, testie, sen in their prime. You should see the wars between tot)( and pg (then with mym ). And the rest of your comment is so incorrect I will not even bother. BTW there were many international tournaments and the SC scene was bigger than sc2.
You missed the part of the scene were Ret was the clear best in the world. It happened after your ass claims the scene was dead.
I watched EVERY war between ToT and PG.
I have been here FOREVER.
I was watching when Grrrr... first went to korea on broodwar.net and battlereports.com
You aren't schooling me. And, you Sir, clearly do not know anything about which you speak.
The mechanics of broodwar in 2006-2007 are a childs impression of what became in 09-11.
You sound like someone claiming "The Coca Cola final between yellow and boxer was the best broodwar ever played".
Nope. Just more old man nostalgia.
Also, I played with both Ret and Testie. Many games. Your street cred is denied.
It was after 2007 so it doesnt count. Achivement after 2008 doesnt count because bw was a dead game. An coca cola final and savior vs nada were the best finals ever period. Mechanics in 2006 were better then in 2009
I get it. You say stupid things on the internet. Got it. Bye Felica.
Dont insult me. Are you 10? You ran out of arguments?
I mean, I can ... swarmhosts lose all the time ( and should) but ... he seemed to be in a bad spot and then walked across the map and liberator sieged the natural and main.
On August 03 2019 03:25 stilt wrote: Spaghetti boi who wants to counter mass libe range with hydra... He is good against serral for sure but surely not a threat to koreans.
Reynor wants to train in Korea, that will surely help him in ZvT and ZvP. He is inconsistent against koreans, I am pretty sure he would beat any of them in ZvZ; also, do I need to mention he eliminated Classic from Code S last year?
On August 03 2019 03:25 stilt wrote: Spaghetti boi who wants to counter mass libe range with hydra... He is good against serral for sure but surely not a threat to koreans.
Reynor wants to train in Korea, that will surely help him in ZvT and ZvP. He is inconsistent against koreans, I am pretty sure he would beat any of them in ZvZ; also, do I need to mention he eliminated Classic from Code S last year?
Also, Durn and this patch zerg nonsense...
I don’t think Reynor is as good as Serral in ZvZ against Koreans
Feel like Reynor should just stop making swarm hosts or eventually sac them when it gets to the late game, he had a huge bank and couldn't do anything and sitting on like 20 swarm hosts being dead supply, and this always happens in his late game zv mech.
On August 03 2019 03:25 stilt wrote: Spaghetti boi who wants to counter mass libe range with hydra... He is good against serral for sure but surely not a threat to koreans.
Reynor wants to train in Korea, that will surely help him in ZvT and ZvP. He is inconsistent against koreans, I am pretty sure he would beat any of them in ZvZ; also, do I need to mention he eliminated Classic from Code S last year?
Also, Durn and this patch zerg nonsense...
I don’t think Reynor is as good as Serral in ZvZ against Koreans
How would you know? The trend is europeans being stronger than their weight class in ZvZ with Serral being the best; Reynor can be on par with Serral, why would he magically be weaker against korean Zerg?
On August 03 2019 03:31 Lollipop11 wrote: Feel like Reynor should just stop making swarm hosts or eventually sac them when it gets to the late game, he had a huge bank and couldn't do anything and sitting on like 20 swarm hosts being dead supply, and this always happens in his late game zv mech.
Has anyone ever done Infestors+Nydus => infested terrans?
Seems like in some situations it would achieve the same things without having a chunk of 40 supply stuck on SH.
On August 03 2019 03:31 Lollipop11 wrote: Feel like Reynor should just stop making swarm hosts or eventually sac them when it gets to the late game, he had a huge bank and couldn't do anything and sitting on like 20 swarm hosts being dead supply, and this always happens in his late game zv mech.
Has anyone ever done Infestors+Nydus => infested terrans?
Seems like in some situations it would achieve the same things without having a chunk of 40 supply stuck on SH.
Swarm hosts are 3 supply, so it was 60 wasted supply. I'm not sure if that would work, you need the energy on the infestors, but if you manage to build like a lot it could work.
On August 03 2019 03:27 yht9657 wrote: Not looking good for foreignland so far.
Woot? Serral is looking strong, TIME is looking strong, Heromarine has decent chances to advance.
There is a general consensus that Serral is a Korean wearing a foreigner mask. Time is well I guess a foreigner. Heromarine didn't advance yet but I think he will
On August 03 2019 03:31 Lollipop11 wrote: Feel like Reynor should just stop making swarm hosts or eventually sac them when it gets to the late game, he had a huge bank and couldn't do anything and sitting on like 20 swarm hosts being dead supply, and this always happens in his late game zv mech.
Has anyone ever done Infestors+Nydus => infested terrans?
Seems like in some situations it would achieve the same things without having a chunk of 40 supply stuck on SH.
ITs are only really good as anti air, and because of their hatch time and slow movement speed, they are much easier to avoid than locusts.
On August 03 2019 03:27 yht9657 wrote: Not looking good for foreignland so far.
Woot? Serral is looking strong, TIME is looking strong, Heromarine has decent chances to advance.
There is a general consensus that Serral is a Korean wearing a foreigner mask. Time is well I guess a foreigner. Heromarine didn't advance yet but I think he will
On August 03 2019 03:27 yht9657 wrote: Not looking good for foreignland so far.
Woot? Serral is looking strong, TIME is looking strong, Heromarine has decent chances to advance.
There is a general consensus that Serral is a Korean wearing a foreigner mask. Time is well I guess a foreigner. Heromarine didn't advance yet but I think he will
On August 03 2019 03:31 Lollipop11 wrote: Feel like Reynor should just stop making swarm hosts or eventually sac them when it gets to the late game, he had a huge bank and couldn't do anything and sitting on like 20 swarm hosts being dead supply, and this always happens in his late game zv mech.
Has anyone ever done Infestors+Nydus => infested terrans?
Seems like in some situations it would achieve the same things without having a chunk of 40 supply stuck on SH.
ITs are only really good as anti air, and because of their hatch time and slow movement speed, they are much easier to avoid than locusts.
Fair enough, was thinking with burrow, and fungal and neuro that they could be a much less committed multi-nydus harass unit.
On August 03 2019 03:27 yht9657 wrote: Not looking good for foreignland so far.
Woot? Serral is looking strong, TIME is looking strong, Heromarine has decent chances to advance.
There is a general consensus that Serral is a Korean wearing a foreigner mask. Time is well I guess a foreigner. Heromarine didn't advance yet but I think he will
On August 03 2019 03:27 yht9657 wrote: Not looking good for foreignland so far.
Woot? Serral is looking strong, TIME is looking strong, Heromarine has decent chances to advance.
There is a general consensus that Serral is a Korean wearing a foreigner mask. Time is well I guess a foreigner. Heromarine didn't advance yet but I think he will
Time is "I guess" a foreigner?
He isnt' white, is what he meant.
I know :/
Or I could have meant he is not EU or AMER you latent racists
Foreigner in our world means, not from South Korea or benefiting from their specific and advanced gaming culture - for those of you who don't know, it doesn't mean EU or NA....
On August 03 2019 03:27 yht9657 wrote: Not looking good for foreignland so far.
Woot? Serral is looking strong, TIME is looking strong, Heromarine has decent chances to advance.
There is a general consensus that Serral is a Korean wearing a foreigner mask. Time is well I guess a foreigner. Heromarine didn't advance yet but I think he will
Time is "I guess" a foreigner?
He isnt' white, is what he meant.
I know :/
Or I could have meant he is not EU or AMER you latent racists
On August 03 2019 03:55 sneakyfox wrote: It's fine to use players' nicknames every once in a while, but consistently calling Heromarine "Big Gabe" is really annoying.
On August 03 2019 03:27 yht9657 wrote: Not looking good for foreignland so far.
Woot? Serral is looking strong, TIME is looking strong, Heromarine has decent chances to advance.
There is a general consensus that Serral is a Korean wearing a foreigner mask. Time is well I guess a foreigner. Heromarine didn't advance yet but I think he will
Time is "I guess" a foreigner?
He isnt' white, is what he meant.
I know :/
Or I could have meant he is not EU or AMER you latent racists
On August 03 2019 03:55 sneakyfox wrote: It's fine to use players' nicknames every once in a while, but consistently calling Heromarine "Big Gabe" is really annoying.
what about GIRTH?
I think we can all agree that that would be a different case entirely.
On August 03 2019 03:55 sneakyfox wrote: It's fine to use players' nicknames every once in a while, but consistently calling Heromarine "Big Gabe" is really annoying.
To be pedantic isn’t every single SC player called by their nickname?
On August 03 2019 03:55 sneakyfox wrote: It's fine to use players' nicknames every once in a while, but consistently calling Heromarine "Big Gabe" is really annoying.
To be pedantic isn’t every single SC player called by their nickname?
On August 03 2019 03:55 sneakyfox wrote: It's fine to use players' nicknames every once in a while, but consistently calling Heromarine "Big Gabe" is really annoying.
To be pedantic isn’t every single SC player called by their nickname?
On August 03 2019 03:55 sneakyfox wrote: It's fine to use players' nicknames every once in a while, but consistently calling Heromarine "Big Gabe" is really annoying.
To be pedantic isn’t every single SC player called by their nickname?
On August 03 2019 03:55 sneakyfox wrote: It's fine to use players' nicknames every once in a while, but consistently calling Heromarine "Big Gabe" is really annoying.
To be pedantic isn’t every single SC player called by their nickname?
On August 03 2019 03:27 yht9657 wrote: Not looking good for foreignland so far.
Woot? Serral is looking strong, TIME is looking strong, Heromarine has decent chances to advance.
There is a general consensus that Serral is a Korean wearing a foreigner mask. Time is well I guess a foreigner. Heromarine didn't advance yet but I think he will
Time is "I guess" a foreigner?
He isnt' white, is what he meant.
I know :/
Or I could have meant he is not EU or AMER you latent racists
Is Probe a foreigner? What about Drager?
Really have no intention to participate in this discussion. My family and me live in a country where someone who is not white has it quite difficult. And its both the racists as well as the ones who see racism everywhere that are equally bad, just opposite side extremes who would do better to mind their own business...
On August 03 2019 04:15 JJH777 wrote: Wtf 2 PvPs and Serral vs Time in ro8. They can't even hide that they are blatantly rigging it.
Rigging PvP matches so nobody watches their tournament.
Rigging PvP to eliminate the best players with a chance of beating Serral. The organizers of this event obviously want Serral to win it and he probably would have still won it with a fair bracket but they aren't taking any chances.
On August 03 2019 04:15 JJH777 wrote: Wtf 2 PvPs and Serral vs Time in ro8. They can't even hide that they are blatantly rigging it.
Rigging PvP matches so nobody watches their tournament.
Rigging PvP to eliminate the best players with a chance of beating Serral. The organizers of this event obviously want Serral to win it and he probably would have still won it with a fair bracket but they aren't taking any chances.
Haha, I can't even tell if your are trolling or not.
On August 03 2019 03:27 yht9657 wrote: Not looking good for foreignland so far.
Woot? Serral is looking strong, TIME is looking strong, Heromarine has decent chances to advance.
There is a general consensus that Serral is a Korean wearing a foreigner mask. Time is well I guess a foreigner. Heromarine didn't advance yet but I think he will
Time is "I guess" a foreigner?
He isnt' white, is what he meant.
I know :/
Or I could have meant he is not EU or AMER you latent racists
Is Probe a foreigner? What about Drager?
Really have no intention to participate in this discussion. My family and me live in a country where someone who is not white has it quite difficult. And its both the racists as well as the ones who see racism everywhere that are equally bad, just opposite side extremes who would do better to mind their own business...
If you have no intention to participate than why reply at all? No one is saying you're a die hard racist but I advice you to answer Ej's question to yourself at least.
On August 03 2019 04:15 JJH777 wrote: Wtf 2 PvPs and Serral vs Time in ro8. They can't even hide that they are blatantly rigging it.
Rigging PvP matches so nobody watches their tournament.
Rigging PvP to eliminate the best players with a chance of beating Serral. The organizers of this event obviously want Serral to win it and he probably would have still won it with a fair bracket but they aren't taking any chances.
Haha, I can't even tell if your are trolling or not.
Honestly I'm not sure either. This happens every single time there are 2 foreigners in the top 8 of an event though and it's getting ridiculous. It can only be random draw so many times. They pretty much said when they announced the event that it only exists because of Serral so they definitely want him to win. It wouldn't surprise me if they "randomized" it an extra time when they saw that the first bracket had Serral on track to play hero/Stats/Dear back to back to back. As it is there's a good chance he only has to beat one of those 3 to win the tournament and they are his biggest threats. His next biggest threat would be gumiho who is also on the opposite side. Just some crazy coincidences here.
On August 03 2019 04:15 JJH777 wrote: Wtf 2 PvPs and Serral vs Time in ro8. They can't even hide that they are blatantly rigging it.
Rigging PvP matches so nobody watches their tournament.
Rigging PvP to eliminate the best players with a chance of beating Serral. The organizers of this event obviously want Serral to win it and he probably would have still won it with a fair bracket but they aren't taking any chances.
Haha, I can't even tell if your are trolling or not.
Honestly I'm not sure either. This happens every single time there are 2 foreigners in the top 8 of an event though and it's getting ridiculous. It can only be random draw so many times. They pretty much said when they announced the event that it only exists because of Serral so they definitely want him to win. It wouldn't surprise me if they "randomized" it an extra time when they saw that the first bracket had Serral on track to play hero/Stats/Dear back to back to back. As it is there's a good chance he only has to beat one of those 3 to win the tournament and they are his biggest threats. His next biggest threat would be gumiho who is also on the opposite side. Just some crazy coincidences here.
You know it's bad for the tournament to have 2 PvPs and the only foreigner besides Serrral 100% eliminated.
If someone was gonna rig it, Serral would knock out a Korean, Time would get an easier opponent and less PvPs.
Also Serral was always gonna play gumiho, Time or herO and not anther first place finisher like Dear or Stats.
Stats in the semis is the hardest it could've gotten for Serral.
On August 03 2019 04:15 JJH777 wrote: Wtf 2 PvPs and Serral vs Time in ro8. They can't even hide that they are blatantly rigging it.
Rigging PvP matches so nobody watches their tournament.
Rigging PvP to eliminate the best players with a chance of beating Serral. The organizers of this event obviously want Serral to win it and he probably would have still won it with a fair bracket but they aren't taking any chances.
Haha, I can't even tell if your are trolling or not.
Honestly I'm not sure either. This happens every single time there are 2 foreigners in the top 8 of an event though and it's getting ridiculous. It can only be random draw so many times. They pretty much said when they announced the event that it only exists because of Serral so they definitely want him to win. It wouldn't surprise me if they "randomized" it an extra time when they saw that the first bracket had Serral on track to play hero/Stats/Dear back to back to back. As it is there's a good chance he only has to beat one of those 3 to win the tournament and they are his biggest threats. His next biggest threat would be gumiho who is also on the opposite side. Just some crazy coincidences here.
On August 03 2019 04:15 JJH777 wrote: Wtf 2 PvPs and Serral vs Time in ro8. They can't even hide that they are blatantly rigging it.
Rigging PvP matches so nobody watches their tournament.
Rigging PvP to eliminate the best players with a chance of beating Serral. The organizers of this event obviously want Serral to win it and he probably would have still won it with a fair bracket but they aren't taking any chances.
Haha, I can't even tell if your are trolling or not.
Honestly I'm not sure either. This happens every single time there are 2 foreigners in the top 8 of an event though and it's getting ridiculous. It can only be random draw so many times. They pretty much said when they announced the event that it only exists because of Serral so they definitely want him to win. It wouldn't surprise me if they "randomized" it an extra time when they saw that the first bracket had Serral on track to play hero/Stats/Dear back to back to back. As it is there's a good chance he only has to beat one of those 3 to win the tournament and they are his biggest threats. His next biggest threat would be gumiho who is also on the opposite side. Just some crazy coincidences here.
On August 03 2019 04:15 JJH777 wrote: Wtf 2 PvPs and Serral vs Time in ro8. They can't even hide that they are blatantly rigging it.
Rigging PvP matches so nobody watches their tournament.
Rigging PvP to eliminate the best players with a chance of beating Serral. The organizers of this event obviously want Serral to win it and he probably would have still won it with a fair bracket but they aren't taking any chances.
Haha, I can't even tell if your are trolling or not.
Honestly I'm not sure either. This happens every single time there are 2 foreigners in the top 8 of an event though and it's getting ridiculous. It can only be random draw so many times. They pretty much said when they announced the event that it only exists because of Serral so they definitely want him to win. It wouldn't surprise me if they "randomized" it an extra time when they saw that the first bracket had Serral on track to play hero/Stats/Dear back to back to back. As it is there's a good chance he only has to beat one of those 3 to win the tournament and they are his biggest threats. His next biggest threat would be gumiho who is also on the opposite side. Just some crazy coincidences here.
The funniest thing is that they could get a bunch of viewers for bracket draws at these events, it's always pretty exciting. Apparently bracket rigging is just too much fun for them
On August 03 2019 04:46 sneakyfox wrote: The funniest thing is that they could get a bunch of viewers for bracket draws at these events, it's always pretty exciting. Apparently bracket rigging is just too much fun for them
On August 03 2019 04:15 JJH777 wrote: Wtf 2 PvPs and Serral vs Time in ro8. They can't even hide that they are blatantly rigging it.
Rigging PvP matches so nobody watches their tournament.
Rigging PvP to eliminate the best players with a chance of beating Serral. The organizers of this event obviously want Serral to win it and he probably would have still won it with a fair bracket but they aren't taking any chances.
Haha, I can't even tell if your are trolling or not.
Honestly I'm not sure either. This happens every single time there are 2 foreigners in the top 8 of an event though and it's getting ridiculous. It can only be random draw so many times. They pretty much said when they announced the event that it only exists because of Serral so they definitely want him to win. It wouldn't surprise me if they "randomized" it an extra time when they saw that the first bracket had Serral on track to play hero/Stats/Dear back to back to back. As it is there's a good chance he only has to beat one of those 3 to win the tournament and they are his biggest threats. His next biggest threat would be gumiho who is also on the opposite side. Just some crazy coincidences here.
Well ok not literally, I only looked at the 2018-19 seasons, but in any cases it almost never happen or at least not more often than it's statisticaly probable.
Not sure if this feels like a rigging to be honest. The only real "rigging" I would say was when they made up a rule in the last minute to put Maru and Serral on opposite brackets in Blizzcon just so they could get the chance of the dream final.
On August 03 2019 04:15 JJH777 wrote: Wtf 2 PvPs and Serral vs Time in ro8. They can't even hide that they are blatantly rigging it.
Rigging PvP matches so nobody watches their tournament.
Rigging PvP to eliminate the best players with a chance of beating Serral. The organizers of this event obviously want Serral to win it and he probably would have still won it with a fair bracket but they aren't taking any chances.
Man, what the hell? Serral could draw herO, Gumiho or TIME; he got TIME and he's facing either Stats or herO next and a korean in the finals. Obscenely rigged, right...
"this is statistically impossible!" -a bunch of people with a layperson's understanding of statistics who have not run any actual numbers or looked up any data
On August 03 2019 04:15 JJH777 wrote: Wtf 2 PvPs and Serral vs Time in ro8. They can't even hide that they are blatantly rigging it.
Rigging PvP matches so nobody watches their tournament.
Rigging PvP to eliminate the best players with a chance of beating Serral. The organizers of this event obviously want Serral to win it and he probably would have still won it with a fair bracket but they aren't taking any chances.
Man, what the hell? Serral could draw herO, Gumiho or TIME; he got TIME and he's facing either Stats or herO next and a korean in the finals. Obscenely rigged, right...
I just see Time as a walkover and then I think Zest is going to PvP Dear out and get stomped by Solar which will result in a very underwhelming and one sided Serral vs Solar finals. I don't deny Serral is the favorite by far no matter how the bracket is laid out. But I feel like this takes his chances from 30-40% to like 60-70% because he will only have one challenging match. I'd love to be wrong though as Serral solar would be so uninteresting I won't even watch it.
On August 03 2019 06:21 brickrd wrote: "this is statistically impossible!" -a bunch of people with a layperson's understanding of statistics who have not run any actual numbers or looked up any data
That's the point. Serral is insecure in Bo8 and we play tunes...
lol
The Home Ground.
All SC2 Post-army Koreans can retire to Finland...
Why if you were to ‘rig’ the draw of your tournament would you do it like that? PvP isn’t exactly a beloved matchup, plus at least to my mind the appetite for fans is more for Serral the Korean killer to actually play the good Koreans and beat them, than for him to get bracket luck and dodge.
Also as an aside I felt Grant did a pretty good job today, wasn’t familiar with the guy but he was grand to me.
Twitch chat didn’t appear to agree haha, in all my time following various things I don’t think any community I’m privy to is close to as harsh as ours is on casters/hosts.
Stats is the only one could really cause some trouble to serral. The rest of players literally have no chance at all. No matter what the draw is, Serral will only get one challenge.
On August 03 2019 04:15 JJH777 wrote: Wtf 2 PvPs and Serral vs Time in ro8. They can't even hide that they are blatantly rigging it.
Rigging PvP matches so nobody watches their tournament.
Rigging PvP to eliminate the best players with a chance of beating Serral. The organizers of this event obviously want Serral to win it and he probably would have still won it with a fair bracket but they aren't taking any chances.
Man, what the hell? Serral could draw herO, Gumiho or TIME; he got TIME and he's facing either Stats or herO next and a korean in the finals. Obscenely rigged, right...
I just see Time as a walkover and then I think Zest is going to PvP Dear out and get stomped by Solar which will result in a very underwhelming and one sided Serral vs Solar finals. I don't deny Serral is the favorite by far no matter how the bracket is laid out. But I feel like this takes his chances from 30-40% to like 60-70% because he will only have one challenging match. I'd love to be wrong though as Serral solar would be so uninteresting I won't even watch it. [/QUOTE]