EPT[GSL] Season 3 - Ro16 Group Selections! - Page 7
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Circumstance
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups... Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 20:16 Circumstance wrote: All I'm saying is that there's a few worlds where Special and Fantasy both make Ro8. Not saying I'm Liquibetting it, just that there are ways. Hmm I think you're going to have to elaborate a bit on that. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 20:18 sneakyfox wrote: Hmm I think you're going to have to elaborate a bit on that. If we take into account every possible world in every possible reality, there's going to be some where Special and Fantasy advance. It probably won't be in this one though. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:17 Elentos wrote: TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark. OK, let's face it. Unless Dark really screws up he's 1st. Which means TY has two options 1) Win against probably the best PvT in Korea ATM 2) Boost some random Terran(mjr Special?) TvZ so he wins the group instead of Dark I don't know, Kev  | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7139 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:16 Circumstance wrote: All I'm saying is that there's a few worlds where Special and Fantasy both make Ro8. Not saying I'm Liquibetting it, just that there are ways. If there are about 100.000+ parallel worlds, then yes I guess there are 2-3 wehre Special and Fantasy both adavance But there are about 5000+ where neither advances | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 20:23 deacon.frost wrote: OK, let's face it. Unless Dark really screws up he's 1st. Which means TY has two options 1) Win against probably the best PvT in Korea ATM 2) Boost some random Terran(mjr Special?) TvZ so he wins the group instead of Dark I don't know, Kev TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3. | ||
TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:24 Harris1st wrote: If there are about 100.000+ parallel worlds, then yes I guess there are 2-3 wehre Special and Fantasy both adavance But there are about 5000+ where neither advances .... so you're saying there's a chance?! My boy Dark has this ez. | ||
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droppanda
Australia176 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups... Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. Have been watching his streams lately and he has so far not mastered sky terran vs mass investor/corrupter late game. He is trying with liberator/battlecruiser combo like maru has but he is not macroing at anywhere near the same speed as maru, and his liberator/battelcruiser micro is also not up to par. I think he is going to struggle against dark going by his recent streaming performance. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 20:26 TheOneAboveU wrote: .... so you're saying there's a chance?! My boy Dark has this ez. If we can imagine a world in which it is true, then it is true. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7139 Posts
Care to elaborate for those who missed the show?  | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:26 Elentos wrote: TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3. Until RO8, Protoss might get nerfed too, that's something to take in consideration. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:26 Elentos wrote: TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3. Same can be said about Trap vT(maybe except Maru ), their match can go both ways but while Trap was in a good form and did beat TY in S1 TY managed to return from a short term slump. It will be interesting. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 20:30 Vanadiel wrote: Until RO8, Protoss might get nerfed too, that's something to take in consideration. Terran buffed as well. I think we can cut the might as well, group B is at the end of August, I don't see Blizzard waiting this long. I presume the balance changes will come with the new ladder season, a week before the Ro16 starts and a week after GSL vs the World. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 20:30 Harris1st wrote: Somebody said something about GSL v The World. Care to elaborate for those who missed the show? As a casual side note they announced voting is going to start in a few hours on TL. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:34 Elentos wrote: Terran buffed as well. I think we can cut the might as well, group B is at the end of August, I don't see Blizzard waiting this long. Considering the discussed changes nothing IMO affects Trap's PvT that much. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 20:36 deacon.frost wrote: Considering the discussed changes nothing IMO affects Trap's PvT that much. Charge nerf and prism nerf will affect every Protoss very hard if they go through as proposed recently. The positive aspect for Trap is that if the changes come out as I predict, it's unlikely there's gonna be any groundbreaking meta progress (a build that makes perfect use of the stim change) until his group is played Also they have to worry about beating Cure and herO before they worry about each other | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:18 sneakyfox wrote: Hmm I think you're going to have to elaborate a bit on that. Dark has had the least exposure and worst winrate against Terrans this year in offline play. His last match loss was to Gumiho, who was 2-0d by Armani this season. Special's form against Korean Zergs is unclear, as most of the matches he plays against them are against the same few that do online competitions regularly. In TvT, he has proven time and again that he's capable of hanging tough with all but that absolute best. Fantasy's a build man, adept with preparation. Always has been, so the long gap works in his favor. He has a good deal of relatively recent offline matches against other Zergs in this Ro16, so he isn't being held up by any degree of insufficient practice. Now, I'm no fool. Dark is the very, very clear favorite in this group. But as we've seen in the past, it's entirely possible to get complacent when you're the top overall seed and you've made what appears to be an A+ group selection (*cough*Inno*cough*). If Dark is too pleased with his results, this might not end up being the battle for 2nd that it appears to be. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:40 Elentos wrote: Charge nerf and prism nerf will affect every Protoss very hard if they go through as proposed recently. The positive aspect for Trap is that if the changes come out as I predict, it's unlikely there's gonna be any groundbreaking meta progress (a build that makes perfect use of the stim change) until his group is played Also they have to worry about beating Cure and herO before they worry about each other What I mean is that Trap's PvT wasn't based around heavy WP usage and chargelots everywhere nor the timings with those. herO? Classic? Zest? PATIENCE? Sure, these will get hit harder than Trap. In PvT, PvZ is a different story. | ||
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